Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?
 

Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.
Was Adam born alone or first?
If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?
Satan is depicted in part as a woman.
Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.
This is what human justice is based on.
Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?
Regards
DL

What do you base that on? In Genesis 3:6 Eve talks to the serpent then eats the fruit then gives some to Adam and he eats it. Eve started that whole thing by talking to the serpent. Did Adam even know where that fruit came from Eve gave him?

Why was there a serpent running around God's trees, that's what I wanna know.

There was an angelic situation involving Adam.
He wasn't like us, who are a result of the Fall.

The scripture says Eve is based upon Adam.

Not sure how you think their story is a source of homophobia. Aside that they were male and female.
But, there's more going on than what we can read.

Things changed after the Fall, as intended by the devil.
I believe it is involved with the Triune Brain Theory.

Adam and Eve is an interesting fairytale. They're supposedly the parents of mankind. If that were true, inbreeding would have doomed the species long before now. And after they got kicked out of the garden, we learn of other races so they weren't the only 2 humans after all.

Oh yea Genesis 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the Lord, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

The Adam & Eve story in Christianity is an inverted story of what actually happened. Eve was sent by Sophia (The Queen Of The Stars) as an instructor to enlighten and raise Adam up who still didn't have a soul. She told Adam to "rise" and when she said this Adam came to life. After this he said "Woman! You will be called Mother of the living for you have given me life"

The snake is depicted as being Satan (Marduk) in the Garden of Eden but the snake was an instructor sent by Sophia/Zoe (it is said by some that it was Sophia herself) and asked Eve, "What was it that God told you? To not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Eve answered "He said not only to not eat from the tree but also don't touch it lest you die" The snake replied "don't worry for when you eat from the tree your mind will be sobered and you will be like the Gods knowing the difference between good and evil people and surely you wont die, for he has said this to you because he is jealous" Eve believed the instructor and took and gave to her male counterpart and they ate. When the chief creator had returned to them he did not come to know w hat had happened and he called out "Adam where are you?" Adam answered i have come under the fig tree and he then knew what had transpired. The chief creator said to him why are you covering up if you had not already eaten from the tree that i have instructed you not to eat. Adam said "the woman you have given me told me to eat so i ate" He then turned to the woman and cursed her and said what is it that you have done? She replied it was the snake that instructed me to do so and then he turned and cursed the snake but due to his powerlessness he and the other rulers were blinded by the snake before he cursed it as well and all the offspring of Adam and Eve would be cursed and the Earth and the animals and nature. The chief creator then said "Behold! Adam has become like one of us knowing good from evil, let us cast him out of the garden"

The Authorities and Yaldaboath created man in "their" (or "his" depending on the context of the story his) image but the "likeness" of the human they created was in the likeness of the first human that they saw in the upper region of the primordial waters (khaa). Satan is equivalent to Baal, Amon Ra, Horus and he goes by many many other names. He is En.ki/Yaldaboaths son.

It is very important to understand that En.ki/Lucifer is the God of good but he is also the god of evil. He is the ultimate representation of duality! He has good traits and emotions about him but he is mostly evil. He, Marduk and Ereshkigal are responsible for the majority of problems we are facing here on Earth today.. These three (Four if you count Thoth, En.ki's firstborn son) beings get tremendous amounts of energy via they're worshippers and followers. This is beyond religion and Yaldaboath is the grand master of manipulation amongst other things. It is also important to understand that these G(g)ods and G(g)oddesses dont plan short term, they plan for hundreds and even thousands of years ahead. They don't experience time like we do here in 3-D but if they need to interact and or mingle with humanity, they do so by taking a 3-D body here on Earth (within a pure Elite bloodline) or they take on hybrid bodies held in different storage locations on Earth, the moon or some of the planets (Mars) or moons in the solar system. Yahweh is not a single being but a composite God. YHWH/Jehovah is a composite of En.ki and Marduk respectively who (take on the role) is God to the people of Earth respectively and the schizophrenic personality is the proof.

Here in the Patrix everything is an inversion! These (beings) are interdimensionals and can take on any shape or form they see fit which is why in antediluvian times ie the time before the Flood in the second Atlantis some of them can be seen (depicted) as having wings. This world is "they're world" because they have they're control system set up here and they're not about to let it go. This is where the Singularity comes in because The Authorities/Archons and they're Minions The Global Elite have a hard time controlling over 8 billion souls whom can be unpredictable as well so The Singularity which is said to be fully in place by 2045 is they're solution to that. It is my conviction that En.ki is not trying to redeem himself and is working together with his son Marduk against humanity. Also God/En.ki does not love his creations (us) but he certainly can use us to carry out his agenda so its business as usual when it comes to the Overlords. I will say however that En.ki is proud of his creations and has to a degree protected us (for us to further serve his agenda)

I've said this a number of times but i'll bring it up once again. Just because we're not religious don't think for a moment that you are not prone to his manipulation because he has even managed to manipulate the Spiritual/New Age movement with his ascension theme/program, the Law of One and certain other channels, GFOL etc so the traps are all around us!

It wasn't Yahweh. It was Elohim.

I hope my (above) response answered your questions. I did so to the best of my ability without saying more than i could have and narrowed down. If you look into the nag hammadi texts they are written in mostly metaphors but these texts bring up the true Christ although there is hermetic insertions there so you have to use your discernment. Christ as Simon Magus/Thoths message addresses the human soul and spheres (dimensions) within the patrix while the "actual" Christ message was about people waking up to "spirit" and giving them gnosis (esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth and knowledge from the heart) so that they can "transcend" this realm. All of ancient texts, religious texts, cunieform and our myths have truths in them while the rest (once you see the message being presented) is very clever manipulation. Some ancient records were wiped out completely while others are held in the vatican. They do not wish for us to know the true history of Earth because it would affect they're agenda. Also, The Overlords don't necessarily lie to us but they want us to see things from their perspective.

I still seek the correct words (or, to be exact: the correct sequence of words before i want to write about it in my 'other' thread)
This is what i have extracted so far.

Adam is created in light, Eve is created in the Darkness. They are not material human beings, yet.
Adam was created by God.
Eve was created by Adam.
They, both, were still in the "Paradise", when eve was created.

Original Sin means: The Error that started it.

When the Error was made, this is what has happened for them:

Adam confused the Source-God (or the Prime Creator) with "something else", and this "something else" became his new God "in belief".
The new God or the replacement of God i call "God-in-Error"

Because Eve is the creation of Adam, she was in his mind therefore she had to follow.

So far, i guess, i have identified the God-in-Error: It is the World which you see, the Nature, the Material world of things.

To be exact, the "EVE" is this nature, material world.

What was the apple ?
I guess, in eve death happened and adam believed it, instead of believing that there is no death.
Therefore he made that error, placed his belief in it and that is now perpetuated until the final realization is made.
They, both, became material by belief.

Reading through all this reminds me topically of the Taliban.
How have we managed to continue to credit such beliefs as being in any way valid?
Look out of the window.

Good point.
The serpent is shown as female. This is important to the Christian misogyny.

Her function in the story seems to be to help Eve and Adam realize that eternal life without the knowledge in the tree of knowledge, is not worth living.

Jews call that Original Virtue and our elevation, whereas the Christians call it a fall and Original Sin.

Even as they sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and nrcessary to god's great plan.

No sin would have derailed god's plan.

Christianity stole the story but not the moral of the story, which they reversed.

Regards
DL

Adam, spelled with a lower case, which is how Jews write, means tribe or nation. adam represents all men and Eve all women.
As universal parents, A & E are good examples as they show that life without knowledge is not the best choice.
No fairy tale has ever created the harm to society than the Eden fairy tale has.

Regards
DL

Nice presentation. Thanks.
I agree that Christianity reversed the moral of the story from the Jewish Original Virtue and man's elevation to the fall and Original Sin.

Most Christians are not aware of this and do not question why they created a false guilt for man and failure for both man and god.

Regards
DL

En.ki/Yaldaboath utterly hates his mother (Sophia) and therefore the original "sin" was put on Eve. There was no sin in the first place but being the chief creator he is also head of the patriarchal regime. He in fact sinned against the aeons, all the immortal ones himself when he told his angels (different star races to whom most are rebelling Orions) "I am God and there is no other God than me" from that point they all kept their eye on him.
"You are wrong Samael (God of the blind) for there is a God higher than you and he is the son of man" Immediately a human figure appeared and they were all blinded by his light.

When En.ki/Lucifer created the first physical human body a long time ago it was not animated and did not have a soul. Fearing that the true spirited human would enter his fashioned body he left Adam alone. After 40 days Sophia blew her breath into Adam and he could move around but couldn't fully stand up.

The Authorities saw this and they were disturbed and 7 archangels descended to see what was going on. They asked "The breath within you, who was he and whence he came"? Adam answered them "I came through the power of the human for the destruction of your work" When he said this they praised him because he had given them a day of rest for they're imposiousness. They saw how helpless Adam was and they celebrated before returning to their respective dimensions/heavens.

The Orions anticipated that The Overlords would created they're own version of humans in ignorance. Sophia had already long created her human first so the plan was for the spirited humans to enter Yaldaboaths fashioned bodies made of atoms and lighten up the construct from within and the fashioned bodies would be fences for the light!

Christianity has caused a lot of harm and still is causing harm, IMHO.

It's not only in Christianity.
Islam teaches its followers that women will form the majority of the people of Hell.

How can people believe such a thing, it's ridiculous.

Maybe this is why A & E nowadays stands for Accident and Emergency! :smile:

Peace

Other religions have caused thee share of harm in the past and present. No need to blame Christianity for all the woes in the World.

The Buddhist's Hells are many and vast. It would be interesting to find out which religion has more Hells?

When did Hebrew get a lower case alphabet?

Lets say Eve did sin, as the first one. Lets say it was beyond any doubt.

Would you accept that?

Nah, I guess not. You would not accept that.... you just can't.

(Also, weren't you banned? Like 5x or something already..)

Read the Ennuma Elish, on which much of Genesis is based. Adam (Sumerian Adammu, which means 'first man') was created first and woman was made from one of his ribs - which is mythologically why males have one less rib. He was made in "our likeness" - the plural God refers to the Annunaki and the pre-Abrahmic God was Enlil - who created the flood and didn't like their creations very much. The angel/messenger who told Noah to build the Ark and told Jacob not to kill his son - amongst other similar tales most likely - is Enki, who took a shine to mankind.

Incidentally, the Mayans' creation myths are very similar and they also have their deluge tales.

'Satam' is Enki's title, it means 'Administrator'. The interaction between God and Satan in the early Bible and the Garden of Eden - which was a real place by the way - was a depiction of the Sumerian tales of Enlil/God vs Enki. The female of the tale is most likely Nammu, who was mother of both Enlil/God and Enki/Satam/Satan.

In the Garden of Eden Enlil wanted to keep the creations subservient and ignorant, essentially a slave race that wouldn't rebel. Enki/Satan - who later became the inspiration for the Greek Prometheus - wanted them to be conscious. Hence the Tree of Knowledge, aka consciousness, and the apple that represents individuated consciousness. And when Adam took a bite of the apple he was conscious that he was naked. I guess if Enlil/Yahweh had punished Enki/Satan then Nammu would have had something to say, so he took it out on created Eve instead - she who had disobeyed him. It's interesting that God/gods are surprisingly human, perhaps we were created in their likeness after all.

Not just that. Yes, misogyny is rife throughout the Bible but there's more to the snake symbolism. In most other cultures the snake is a 'good guy' - think of the twin snakes that are twisted around the Caduceus that's often associated with doctors and health in general. To the Hopi Indians and a few more, they were the Watchers of the earth, the idea there was that because they were in touch with the earth they could feel its vibrations better. Christianity seems to be the only one that doesn't like snakes very much.

There was no fall. The Sumerian word Annunaki translates to 'Those, who from the heavens, came.' It was a choice. The word 'angel' is based on the Sumerian word 'El', which means Shining One - as in the Elohim of Genesis, which is another Sumerian word. Also as in the names of the archangels. And there are some 495 other cultures across time and history who told of Shining Ones. The Sanskrit root word div/devi also means Shining One.

In the wider context there seems to be a worldwide phenomena that was going on at that time which nobody seems to want to know about, and the Bible and Christianity was only a part of it. Noah's flood wasn't the only account account either, and the tales of the Mayans only differ geographically.

Made from his rib, in the Bible. Some have interpreted this is as genetic manipulation by the Annunaki.


The devil is a fear-based control mechanism, the post-Constantine Christians were particularly good at those. They could have adapted Zarathustra's God and Ahura Mazda/devil when the Persians invaded, but Enki was the original devil/Satan.

Oh, and Abraham's God was Marduk.

Please remember the Admins requested 2-3 sentences when quoting others.
Thanks.
Putting this on every current thread.

It's a story written by someone determined to take control as a Chief Rabbi. There are members here who will reinterpret the story more mystically but I suppose the Adam and Eve story was intended to explain the beginning to a simple people.

The first mention of God in Genesis is 'Elohim' which is either a grammatical error or has a deeper meaning than just 'God'. However, the serpent (in the hidden version) is wisdom. It's about the Tree of Life and the Tree of knowledge (2:9) (that some believe are the same tree), said to be about the downfall of 'man', thrown to the bottom of this metaphorical tree and having to learn to climb it to become good enough to walk with God again.

It's a bit more complicated than that but I'm trying to save forum space! I'd suggest reading The Ladder of Lights by William Grey for an esoteric account (as a start, anyway as there are many related books, the Torah, the Zohar, heavy going to say the least etc).

The Old Testament seems misogynistic because the priesthood teachings were exclusively the province of men. In fact one of Jesus' 'sins' was revealing mysteries to Mary Magdalene.
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How doers that saying go, something about "Behind every great man is a great woman?" Jesus was no exception, outside of the Bible of course.

Adam was created together with Lilith, from the same clay.
But Adam demanded her to be submissive as she was only a woman. Since they were truly equal, Lilith refused and when Adam didn't let up demanding her submission, she left. Only to be vilified for that.
Then Eve came as his second partner.

Personally I only see this as either a story that depicts how the imbalance between man & woman came to be, or as a warning to women that they better be submissive or else!
Eve eaten the forbidden fruit... a nice story to put in people's head to illustrate woman is to blame for bad things happening because they do not obey.
Again a brutal reminder that we women have to be submissive as we're unworthy and cannot handle responsibility on our own.

I wonder how mankind would've evolved if the bible would tell the story of Adam & Lilith, equals, and thus give us the story & example that man & woman are equal. I think we would be a whole different, more loving and balanced species today.

Trouble is Adam was just copying his boss who's always portrayed as male. Even the Constantine Holy Trinity won't admit 'woman'.
(Thankfully, the Romans (and Jesus) before Constantine's various pogroms knew differently. The Monad, the Daughter and the Son.)

It seems there are different stories and traditions, and everyone takes from it what makes sense to them. Men and women will read it differently, also men and women of different traditions will read it differently. OP is very much left leaning so he's thinking in terms of 'patriarchy', 'oppression', 'homophobia', etc. Someone thinking differently from OP may emphasize that there is darkness in women and men, and this is reflected in religious scripture. Others will believe there is only darkness in one gender and not the other.

The same applies the serpent. Some traditions take it literally and others don't. Some think the snake is the devil or a demonic entity (''reptilian''?) and others think it's symbolizing the ''Kundalini''. One thing I don't understand is why the Kundalini would at all tempt its 'host' to fall out of paradise. What would be the point of that? Kundalini is supposed to be not a person but an 'energy'.
If paradise is 'perfect', why take a fall if said energy is your own energy? So is a literal demon more sensible to believe in?

I don't know what to believe.:smile:

Where does information about Lilith and Adam come from? Thanks...
sure I could look it up, but I think it's good info to put on the thread. :smile:

Mesopotamian (and later Jewish) mythology.

Do we even consider this as sin to be of relevance or important because God could have just as easily said eat from this or that and so not to eat would have been a sin. And truthfully, nooooooooooooooooo it would not be a sin, adam and eve had the right to. It isn't even a question of and if the story is from someplace else which is totally meaningless if it is about right or wrong. The other story was wrong to.

The question you ask is one of importance. What I have noticed talking to people and listening is many people, most I think accept even eating the apple was and is not important. A person as we feel, just as I, has a right of choice and to choose. Is it right to you. Most people would say in private it isn't a big deal and a bit of over reaction and authorism in nature on the part of God. God over reacted and so this was not right. It really isn't much of a sin. In fact aspects about right and wrong should be taught differently.

Many simply disagree about the degree of punishment, and so it's not about belief. We still allow teachers to teach, to say, and imply it is wrong. They are the experts. Teachers don't change. Remember teachers aren't allowed to change or they won't be allowed to teach. This is a problem in every system. Teachers are not allowed to change. Obviously many don't accept morally this story in private and can be honest but in public or in front of teachers simply allow the story. Teachers then will think you are saying you agree with them and they are right. Are we sure, we're even asking the right question. ; ) Simply know right from wrong. I expect God expects you to know stuff.

blessing

People cant seem to wrap their heads around the fact that "GOD" whom is God of the physical universe En.ki/Yaldaboath/Lucifer (and he goes by many other names) created the world and is an "evil" creator. If your Christian you'd say its blasphemy but people know very little about the chief creator whom i mostly call En.ki or Yaldaboath, how he thinks and his level of manipulation.

Im not Gnostic but out of all the versions of the stories that have been presented via religion, the ancient texts and our myths the nag hammadi text written by the Gnostics rings more true and they're version of the creation story seems way more accurate. Besides this the gnostic story has more of a "spiritual" overtone and knows more about spirituality than any other texts and this "esoteric spiritual truth" is in fact "heartfelt". As a matter of fact the spiritual aspect is completely missing in all other texts religion included. There are some key points to be known..

1- (The Original Sin)
The first sin did not originate from us humans (said specifically to be Eve/Lilith because of the manipulation and purpose tied behind "blaming" Eve and also the fact that the chief creator is patriarchal and hates his mother) it originated from the point where Yaldaboath announced to his angels "I am God and there is no other God but me" When he said this he sinned against all the immortal ones (the Aaeons in the void/spirit universe) and from that point they all kept they're eyes on him.
*For reference Eve/Isis, Lilith, Calisto, Aphrodite, Inanna & Ishtar (Not as Ereshkigal) are one in the same ie they are the same being*

2- (Yaldaboath retaliates by creating death)
When pistis (Sophia) gave Saboath (Prince En.lil Jr) aka Ninurta authority she creted a magnificent dwelling place for him. Far greater and exquisite than all the places of the authorities of chaos and they're realms, in all of the 7 Heavens.
** I want to note here than Prince Enlil Jr was one of En.ki's sons but switched over to The Queen Of The Stars and Orion because he loathed his Father (En.ki) and his mother the abyss. She gave him some of her spirit and elevated him to be ruler over the 7th Heaven (Saturn) and she tauth him about everything that existed in the 8th and 9th Heavens (The Orion Empire)
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There was an assembly and she placed Ninurta to her right while she placed the chief creator to her left. From that day right has been called justice but left has been called injustice and thus the assembly of the authorities of chaos was separated. When En.ki/Yaldaboath had come to know this he started the first phase of his rebellion and he retaliated and created "death" for he was "envious" and "jealous". He set it up over the 6th Heaven and Ninurta had been snatched from there. From that moment he created death from his own death and since death was androgynous he (Yaldaboath) mixed it with his own substance and created seven androgynous beings. They had intercourse with one another and from this they conceived fourty-nine androgynous demons.

3- (The God of Good AND Evil)
"God is good and he's an all loving God" These are rather interesting quotes because some dare i say most people believe that En.ki genuinely loves us (his creations) and that he is good and loving...Nothing can be further from the truth. Yes he has good or positive high states of emotion just like we do but he is mostly evil. He is the ultimate representation of duality and here in the patrix where everything is an inversion he can play both roles to his manipulated population here on Earth, his worshippers and followers (where he in turn happily sucks in all the energy). No En.ki does not love us but i will say this. He is "proud" of the species he created.

People can choose to look at information and ultimately knowledge (spiritual knowledge from the heart) like this and keep an open mind and belief (same as keeping beliefs fluid) or they can choose to ignore it which is what "most" people do. While others will firewall or block out this type of knowledge because it goes against what they learned and know so they will cling to their belief system unwilling to change. We human live in ignorance but as we wake up to spirit we gain our gnosis which will vary individual to individual, live our lives, be in the world but not "of" it and when the time comes when our physical body has expired use our "exit" plan and "transcend" this realm.

Edit: Add
I have to add that En.ki wanted to create a Flood not because mankind was inherently evil and he could see no end to it so he repents and wipes things out. Very little of this is true and this is because this is/was not the reason for him (and the Authorities) to instigate the Deluge. In antediluvian times ie the time before the Flood in the second Atlantis he and his team of scientist created alot of abominable monsters and creatures (centaurs, minotaurs, cyclops and giants of various sizes) and left them to evolve on their own. Big mistake....and this was a time where there was war between monsters and men. He has since then learned his lesson however. He learnt that you don't leave the planet alone to attend business elsewhere and you create strange beings just for the fun of it. In the end it doesnt matter which version of the story you subscribe to in the end Yaldaboath got what he wanted...a wiped out species and a chance to start all over.

"And He (Yaldaboath) created a flood and he destroyed your race, to take the light and to take away from the faith"... By his impiety GOD changed his plan to call upon 10,000 generations from the time of the firs man to the calling out from Mount Sainair, 749 he suppressed before the flood...

Outside of the first quote is not fully accurate but people should get the idea..
From The Nag Hammadi texts

ExcerptLol, that made my day...that was so funny to just come right out and say that.
That was bold! :biggrin:

I didn't think it's blasphemy -just an opinion...everyone has one.
I guess I would ask if you have ever had a direct exp of God. (Sorry I didn't read past the first few sentences ---if you said.)
I actually have --and He was not evil.
Let's leave it at that.
I don't go by Biblical stuff, myself, or 'names' even.
Just my comment.

Does that mean it's in the Talmud ---or Old Testament?
So I would have to look up Mesop mythology?
What did we do before google...Are there books from way back?
And thanks, Altair. :icon_cool:

I can be very frank at times and this is for a number of reasons. We humans are obvious on different stages of (spiritual) development all wih our different learning lessons and etc but En.ki has managed to "capture" 4.5-5.5 billion people with his "spell" via extreme manipulation (the four major religions) and this is not including The Law of One (The RA people) and other channels whom most, dare i say all are are on En.ki's side or their teacher and even the New Age/Spiritual movement which unbeknownst to he new Agers is based off the Vedas which in turn in Overlord propaganda with his "Ascension" theme/program. This is why i stress that just because one is not religious dont think for a moment that we are not prone to his manipulation.
I said all this and its because it is all very mind boggling to me! *read En.ki's control of his footstool ie Earth and level of manipulation used here*

What people call God, Source, All That Is, Prime Creator, Goddess, i call Prime Source, Source or Goddess. Source is not something external to me and is thus apart of me or rather i am apart of it (i say her because the universe is feminine in nature and not masculine or neuter). The gnostics call the first source, The Monad.

Source is not evil but En.ki whom is God of the material universe where we currently dwell and takes on the role of Source, The Monad and The Demiurge at the same time, is. At the cost of sounding like a broken record He is not the highest God but happily sucks in all the energy he gets via his worshippers and followers... (Marduk, Thoth and Ereshkigal do as well although En.ki gets most of the energy)
He maybe "Godlike" to the people of Earth but he is anything but...He is derranged, tyrannical, covertly narccisistic and the "grandmaster" of manipulation, amongst other things.

I am not here to change anyones belief (why would i since were dealing with En.ki here and a spell i cannot contend with that) and i have my own beliefs, i just wished people would keep their beliefs fluid. The things i learned from when i was young going into some of adulthood was either a lie or i was indoctrinated (at birth) Theres nothing wrong with beliefs at all we all have them but its when we take our beliefs as "truths" is when it becomes a problem because we will never get the bigger picture!

I hope i have not rubbed you the wrong way, offended anything like that because that is not my intention. I would never go on a Christian or Islamic or Hindu part of the forum and say these things because (my reasons). These topics are very interesting to me and once again like everything here in the patrix stories like the Adam and Eve story and other stories are inverted. Not even the Sumerians and various scholars went far back enough in time because if they did they would see that there is a creation that preceeds Genesis in the bible. In summary we all go to where our beliefs take us in the astral and also our thoughts are extremely powerful

no it was Jehovah God who punished those three beings. there's ONLY one true God which Jesus had stated at (John 17:3). and that's Jehovah / Yahweh, the ONLY True God of the Israelites, "Elohim" means God. at (Gen. 3:9-19), the Bible uses TWO TITLES, LORD ,(all letters capitalized), and God. the word "LORD" was put in place for God's Name. some Bible version translators removed the Name. such as ALL king James versions.

other versions left the Name where it belonged, such as A. S. V.,(Gen. 3:9 And Jehovah God called unto the man, and said unto him, Where art thou?). see also the Darby Translation
(And Jehovah Elohim called to Man, and said to him, Where art thou?). Notice the word "Elohim" is used next to God's Name. hence the use of the title "GOD", alongside God's Name. which should NOT have been removed. :smile: