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sentient 31-01-2021 09:59 AM

From my favourite ‘Strayan’ cartoonist Leunig:
https://neighbourhoodpaper.com/wp-co...ed-768x529.jpg

'Our' old - still good as new view:


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sentient 31-01-2021 09:53 PM

Day before yesterday - saw a beautiful tribal tattoo on a beautiful young PNG woman.
I so love the look of Polynesian/Melanesian tattoos and feel proud for them for continuing with the tradition.

Made me think though – if I had a tattoo – what would it be?

a Swastika.
Our swastikas never were an Aryan-Nazi-white-supremacy symbol, but this:
https://hridayaravinde.files.wordpre...jpg.png?w=1140

The Sky Nail Pole Star and the rotational movement around this Axis Mundi – the World Pole.

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.aaaand a Southern Cross tattoo:


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sentient 31-01-2021 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
I can see/witness hunter-gather society being replaced with the casino-check system
of survival in 1 or 2 generations.
A grandfather may be on the river and in the woods and sons or grandsons
could care less.They don't have to, because they know the easier system I call the
casino-check system.:icon_frown:

I hear your frustration – and if one is into the survival and the revival of indigenous spirituality – this becomes so disappointing:
https://www.culturalsurvival.org/pub...of% 20America.
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Besides, the writer of that article is said to have falsely claimed Native American ancestry (cultural appropriation), which led to his being fired from the university. Sheeesh!
How blooming frustrating!

When “Indigenousness” itself becomes a commodity – something one can exploit and cash in on, one can expect turf wars …

:confused2:

ImthatIm 01-02-2021 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sentient
From my favourite ‘Strayan’ cartoonist Leunig:
https://neighbourhoodpaper.com/wp-co...ed-768x529.jpg

'Our' old - still good as new view:

LOL, your cartoon got me. I fell for for it. Good one.

Your picture makes good sense until I see the thumb tack and modern looking pole.

ImthatIm 01-02-2021 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sentient
I hear your frustration – and if one is into the survival and the revival of indigenous spirituality – this becomes so disappointing:
https://www.culturalsurvival.org/pub...of% 20America.
^
Besides, the writer of that article is said to have falsely claimed Native American ancestry (cultural appropriation), which led to his being fired from the university. Sheeesh!
How blooming frustrating!

When “Indigenousness” itself becomes a commodity – something one can exploit and cash in on, one can expect turf wars …

:confused2:





Yes, I do know more than I care to on this stuff.
These battles have all kinds of extremes and gray areas.
It put's a stop to the true Spiritual principles IMO.
Oh well. Everyone camps up and sharpens their opinions and
does what they think is best. This is one reason I backed off
traveling to help out as much.I stick around home do what I can
and maintain my guest role. There is fighting and bickering all over.
Nothing new. Some justified some not, but who am I to judge.


Though I do examine the attitudes stirring the fight.
I could have stayed in the bars if I wanted to fight around.
You would not imagine or maybe you would IDK, the amount
of times that we were dragged into fights and arguments
over pride and rights and mere ego wars.
I've tried to stay away from these subjects because they are not pleasant
but they are a reality.


I will always pray and maintain my right to pray and help whom
I see fit. I've already made my commitments and I belong in a certain camp
on these issues.
Most people are really not to serious on their position when it comes
down to it. They just like spitting words out so people will react.
They rarely want to throw down over their position.
'Throwing down' is a spiritual term in my book.LOL


I do or did know or know about people in your article. You've touched close to home( very close). LOL

The writer of the article does not ring a bell, I can't say if he
actually talked to any of the people he quotes.


I know that Shamanism too, is for sale everywhere on the inter-webs.
$1,999.00 for a weeks course and you too can become a Shaman.
This stuff is really sickening. These things are lifetime commitments.
Not everyone can just become a Shaman I would imagine.
There is this big fad where everything is for sale. Nobody
benefits from the for sale system.It is kinda like prostitution.
Not True Love.


I've said my piece, and it was not so painful.Just stung a bit.:cool:

ImthatIm 01-02-2021 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sentient
Day before yesterday - saw a beautiful tribal tattoo on a beautiful young PNG woman.
I so love the look of Polynesian/Melanesian tattoos and feel proud for them for continuing with the tradition.

Made me think though – if I had a tattoo – what would it be?

a Swastika.
Our swastikas never were an Aryan-Nazi-white-supremacy symbol, but this:
https://hridayaravinde.files.wordpre...jpg.png?w=1140

The Sky Nail Pole Star and the rotational movement around this Axis Mundi – the World Pole.

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.aaaand a Southern Cross tattoo:


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It would be nice to get a swastika if it wasn't so negatively charged nowadays.

sentient 01-02-2021 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
LOL, your cartoon got me. I fell for for it. Good one.

:smile:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
Your picture makes good sense until I see the thumb tack and modern looking pole.

No-no-noooo. Not modern.
The “thumb tack” is supposed to illustrate the “Sky Nail” that keeps the Pole Star stationary.
Quote:

When we look towards the pole star, it appears stationary because it is pointing exactly in the north direction. The Earth spins on its axis and the pole star is almost exactly above this axis of the Earth. Hence, it appears stationary.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
It would be nice to get a swastika if it wasn't so negatively charged nowadays.

We can’t get rid of the Swastika nor our other stories.
The Bear from its Heavenly home wanted to come down to Earth to taste those juicy berries, so a basket was lowered down for the Bear to do so.

Long story (part of the Bear Ceremony).
The Bear Cult is Eurasian – yet everybody has a different version of it.

So - noooo, we don’t change our stories. They are as they always were.
It is the Western man that always changes their stories.

First they are pagan priests and witches, whatever …
Then they are Catholics doing the witch hunts and accusing the indigenous of the dark art …
Then these big time slave traders become Lutheran race hygienists
Quote:

Eugenics is a set of beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population, historically by excluding people and groups judged to be inferior or promoting those judged to be superior.
Now they are the conscience to the world anti-racist saviours of the Amer. injuns … but still promoting hierarchical thinking ...
Wonders never cease. What’s next.

But this – who is more indigenous in the “indigenousness hierarchy” – must go.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
I know that Shamanism too, is for sale everywhere on the inter-webs.
$1,999.00 for a weeks course and you too can become a Shaman.
This stuff is really sickening. These things are lifetime commitments.
Not everyone can just become a Shaman I would imagine.
There is this big fad where everything is for sale. Nobody
benefits from the for sale system.It is kinda like prostitution.
Not True Love.


Yeah, but who is doing this selling? Where do these sellers live/come from?
That is my culture … my ancestry. Yet I do not know one person (from my 2 ethnic groups) selling Shamanism ....selling "how-to-become-a-shaman" workshops.
That would be utterly ridiculous.

Though there are academic books one can read if one is interested in the subject:
Shamanism and Northern Ecology:
https://www.google.com.au/books/edit... c=frontcover

Shamanism and Culture:
https://books.google.com.au/books/ab...&redir_e sc=y

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sentient 01-02-2021 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
It would be nice to get a swastika if it wasn't so negatively charged nowadays.


P.S.
One may repeat the injun saying "Mitakuye Oyasin" - which I trust means the interconnectedness of everything.
But indigenous symbols are like that also.

It is "white thinking" to think that one can just take an ancient symbol out-of-context, like it existed in isolation and then compartmentalise it to mean whatever-one-wants.

And if the meaning one gave to it (living up to the concept of it) did not work ... then one can just take the symbol out again, ban it now as evil.

Whilst all that time (*elevator music*) the Dig Dipper has been rotating around the 'stationary' Pole Star. The symbol being there there in da sky.

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sentient 02-02-2021 01:30 AM

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The swastika was a widely used Native American symbol. It was used by many southwestern tribes, most notably the Navajo.
Among different tribes the swastika carried various meanings. To the Hopi it represented the wandering Hopi clans; to the Navajo it represented a whirling log ( tsil no'oli' ), a sacred image representing a legend that was used in healing rituals.
"The history of the swastika goes back to the origins of the Eurasian Continent.

"Indian Country" on Swastikas:
https://indiancountrytoday.com/archi...2ESRw_IpQBexTw
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(Here once again it is forgotten or not known that Europe had/has its hunter-gatherers to whom this cross (also called) “FireCross” is about the stationary Pole Star and its relation to the rotating Big Dipper through the seasons).

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ImthatIm 02-02-2021 02:00 PM

I'm all for you getting a swastika tattoo.I support you 100%.:icon_razz:


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