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ImthatIm 25-12-2021 09:55 AM

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From 'Science Direct':
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Intriguingly, the Saami of Scandinavia and the Berbers of North Africa were found to share an extremely young branch, aged merely ∼9,000 years
There is something to this connection.

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So I see the following:
Berber (30 and 34), Saami (25, 26, and 28) from the chart in below link.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1199377/


I see that Sami and Berber are related under the U5B1 branch.
Nice.

Yous(Sami) left them (Berbers) and took off up North back when the ice melted.
I am guessing.

ImthatIm 25-12-2021 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sentient
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And as Berbers come in many hues from white to dark, I imagine them not having the psychological colour boundary. It hurts when that boundary is felt.


So, it is with the indigenous that I do not feel ‘invisible’ like I always otherwise do.




Yes, to be outside the color boundary is freedom.
I've been blessed and have not thought on it too much.
Though I do pay attention to energy and may not recognize energy
coming from a person as racially motivated but I may just see it as negative energy.
Though others around me seem to have many concerns of color at times.
Even with indigenous peoples there is color boundary, but I would have to say
there are people I have met that don't concern themselves with the color boundary.
Those seem to be people with a certain Spiritual responsibility that they adhere to.
I am not saying they don't see or recognize color and ethnicity but they treat all open and equal
to the best of their ability.

I feel my freedom in Nature and within myself in the dance of Life.
Then there are times I am Blessed to feel that freedom with certain people.
I can't say if indigenous is a qualifier for it.

This one came to mind, a song that I've posted before but seems fitting now and again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQnEyEv3gY

Then, I stumbled on this little gem...Not a song but just a man giving his thoughts for 19:00 mins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=180vRsMmqNI

Do the above have anything to do with what we are talking about?
Inside me they do... Of course I am biased though, since I knew them briefly.
I think that mans Industrialization is a bigger problem then pigment and it is also part of and driver of the color boundary problems.

ImthatIm 25-12-2021 01:40 PM

A good message on Horse,..Wheel/Circle,.. Metals and how they produced technologies and industrialization and the dangers and or Hopes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkHwjz4i1k

sentient 26-12-2021 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ImthatIm
A good message on Horse,..Wheel/Circle,.. Metals and how they produced technologies and industrialization and the dangers and or Hopes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkHwjz4i1k

Yes - ImthatIm – yes.

15:13 – 15:40 These people talk “white educated data" about “indigeousness”, but no longer see Spirit, they only see Form and thus are already cut off from their Spiritual side & no longer even know/understand/comprehend the difference.

24:24 – 26:05 That division I suppose, had already started way back in Ancient North Eurasian times, when a “hollow bone channeller”, channelling the Horse as Spiritual Power Entity which can be likened to ”Holy Ghost” - was mistaken for a power a flesh and bone man could yield.

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Mighty Bull of the Earth … Horse of the Steppes!
I the mighty bull, bellow!
I, the horse of the steppes, neigh!
I, the man set above all other beings!
I, the man most gifted of all!
I the man created by the master, all powerful!


… and the whole thing fell into duality and superstition of which - later on – by projection the “indigenous” were conveniently blamed for ….

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Had we stayed as hunter-gatherers, we would not have developed past stone age, but without balance we will see the Earth destroyed …

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In the Shamanic Arctic regions, the Swastika was the Big Dipper rotating around the Polar Star – the Axis Mundi – where time and timelessness, movement and stillness, unborn and born, spirit and matter etc. embrace, meet in balance. Axis Mundi gave us our “Law”.
Thunderbird bringing this vision or time-stopping-experience about (and/or Empowerment with the Horse/Holy Ghost.
https://spiritualpunx.wordpress.com/...egan-on-earth/

In Taoism too …. Where we get the polarity of doing and the not-doing and not just doing …
The North Star – The Big Dipper – The Crown Chakra – The Pineal Gland ….
http://thetaoblog.com/wp-content/upl...AF30C252D.jpeg

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sentient 26-12-2021 05:48 AM

I don’t know about Rathlin2 and 3 … Were they fresh from the back of the beyond steppe or what, because they did not seem to relate to ancient Europeans, but Rathlin1 however did relate to Ballynahatty woman (of Neolithic/farmer Anatolian ancestry who also was a mixture of Mesolithic hunter gatherer).

So Rathlin1 also related to this ancient hunter:
The Loschbour Man - 8000 year old, who here looks like a person with Berber face tattoos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NJ6Ks9qwRQ

Rathlin1 also relates to Anzick-1, but not the Kennewick man. Not even Anzick Clovis relates to Kennewick man – wherever he came from? Pacific Oceanic migration to Americas?

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There is one brief part on Sami @ 25:34.:smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ybYxg2vHE

Except that he is so vague about it.
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Our analyses show that Siberian ancestry entered the Bolshoy population around 4,000 years ago

Saami did not come from Siberia – Siberians came to Saami, to the already existing Bolshoy population of Kola Peninsula.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ymyyakhtakh_culture

Eupedia:
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The hunter-gatherers's DNA resembled that of modern Northeast Europeans, and perhaps even more that of the Balts, Finns and Samis than Scandinavians.

Scandinavian hunter-gatherers would have adopted the new Neolithic lifestyle little by little, using pottery and keeping domesticated animals (sheep, cattle, pigs and goats) to complement their traditional diet of fishing and game hunting. The cultivation of wheat, barley and legumes was fairly limited due to the cold climate. The cold climate was actually a barrier to the expansion of farmers from the continent. This is why Scandinavians retained a greater percentage of Mesolithic ancestry than virtually all other Europeans, apart from the Samis, Finns, Balts and Russians.


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sentient 29-12-2021 01:20 AM

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Researching Hopi becomes quite interesting …
Some seem to think they are the “Lost Tribe of Israel” (I do not know why we are all supposed to be the lost tribes of Israel, when we do not have any Middle Eastern nor Near Eastern DNA).
Some equate them to ancient Egyptians & some seem to think they are ˝ space aliens. Heh.

Some Hopi Elders seem to think Christians brought the prophesy – some seem to think Christians were the problem Hopis had prophesied about ….
But as long as one holds ones Ceremonies – everything will be alright.

To me the Hopi Elder in the video was so similar to Aboriginal Elders – who always make you feel like close family and see the Spirit of one another ....
Never mind what the “Mitakuye Oyasin” means conceptually – it is the FELT REALITY of it which counts …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fykvf1mOtlQ

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Ok. I am “Arctic” so I’ll go with him since he sings our shamanic "ho-ho-ho" song (I've been on about for so long) as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxdWmeml1Wc
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Bring back the Ceremony. Life is a Ceremony in itself. When the Ceremony loses its Spirit, it becomes a Ritual, and the World is full of Ritual as it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2dcybCES4Y
Duality is just like being walled by ice.

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ImthatIm 29-12-2021 11:03 AM

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Rathlin1 also relates to Anzick-1, but not the Kennewick man. Not even Anzick Clovis relates to Kennewick man – wherever he came from? Pacific Oceanic migration to Americas?

Where did he come from? Me not know.
Though I do know a girl from the Kennewick area.
She has no active thyroid due to the radiation poisoning in the area.
The nuclear plant waste in Hanford drains down to Kennewick.
She has to take mass thyroid medicines and if I recall correct she was born that way.(without a working thyroid)

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I looked into the Berbers some and some seem to be of fierce warring tribes.(Historically)
Which does not surprise me considering the neighborhood they live/lived in.
Someone also speculated that the whiteness of their tribes came from slave raiding parties that went up North
as far as Iceland and visiting Ireland, England and France too.
Wow.... I thought. I had never heard of European slaves brought into Africa.

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I keep hearing a Reggae song "Mama Africa"
It reminds me of a wicked cool dream I had where all the animals of Africa were having a Great Counsel meeting
under a HUGE gorgeous wooden meeting place and they were talking about us Humans.
We were hiding in the bushes across a stream as they gathered.

I felt as though they had to come up with some kind of solution because of us Humans, because we may have been out of control.
It felt ancient and I was in total Awe.I don't believe their plan worked for long, since we seem to still be out of control.
That same AWE feeling comes over me when I here the 'Mama Africa' song.

sentient 30-12-2021 06:20 AM

^ Apparently, the Kennewick Man is mainly related to the Colville tribes & to the people of Pacific Northwest and the Anzick-Clovis is more related to the people of Central/South America.

From Siberia to the Americas & I am seriously starting to like this Dane for his good work and attitude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhPCMyO8sjA

A longer, but excellent talk if interested (Europe included):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yshBA5LQ8p8

I thought I knew this, but there is always more to learn.

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sentient 30-12-2021 07:24 PM

^ I assume Salish Coast populations would be more related to the Kennewick man, plus there being the potential cultural exchange with Polynesians made them different (???)
Does any of this look or sound familiar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvMAtePt3PQ

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Originally Posted by ImthatIm
I looked into the Berbers some and some seem to be of fierce warring tribes.(Historically)
Which does not surprise me considering the neighborhood they live/lived in.

Just as well our hunter gatherer ancestors chose North East & not South ..

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"The Roots" television series and Reggae did inspire some Aframs to make the pilgrimage to Mama Africa.
Did they find what they were looking for, I wonder – or did they find out just how different they had now become (?) Did anybody actually move back there (?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqc0FXiazQM

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ImthatIm 30-12-2021 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sentient
^ I assume Salish Coast populations would be more related to the Kennewick man, plus there being the potential cultural exchange with Polynesians made them different (???)
Does any of this look or sound familiar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvMAtePt3PQ





I've heard many stories and they are all unique with very similar ECHOESsss(((((


Polynesians, Coast Salish, Yakima, Colville, Canada & Alaskan & California COAST Natives, their all related as far as I can tell.
Just some more distant in relations or Blood/DNA.
People have been breeding since when 'people time' began, I stopped keeping track.
Many cultures claim their lands to be the center of the World and they've always been there in that place. These things get muddy with me.
That's why I say a lot that I am an opportunist because I think it best suites the Human story but I don't know
where or How things began and proceeded forward.I just know they did.

STORY TIME:
Me and a Black Berry bush had a nice conversation once as I was picking it's fruit.
I was so happy and Thankful and I was thinking on the Black Berries Life that came from seed or shoot and in my mind and Spirit
it led me back countless generations to ancient times when Black Berries began and I was amazed that the fruit I was picking
came from a continuous unbroken line of Black Berries and stood before me in that time.
I stood in AWE and ate one Berry after saying a prayer of Thanksgiving and understood the generations and amazing LIFE I was putting in my mouth.
I ate it like I have never eaten anything before because of the understanding of the generations of it's unbroken LIFE to back when Black Berries began.
I was and felt truly BLESSED that an unbroken line WAY WAY back of Generations of Black Berries LIVED and found their way to my mouth at that present TIME.
After swallowing it the Black Berry said to me "I see you too come from an unbroken line of Humans".

I was at HOME on my Mother the EARTH for the first time feeling total acceptance in my being which was made possible by an unbroken line
of Generations of Humans and Blood and DNA and I am my generations of humans.
I knelt and Thanked my Mother the Earth and Father in the sky as never before.
In total AWE and Oneness I found myself walking out my generations.
Each step I step, I step out my generations from an unbroken line of Human Opportunists.
I find my opportunities are to Love and find Oneness and Wholeness in myself and All of Creation.
Those are the opportunities in front of me and my generations.

I have never told this story to anyone.

Why am I telling this story? IDK it just surfaced up and I was compelled to tell it.
I guess in a way it tells my whole Blood DNA story in a nut shell and it sits well within my Heart.
I can also say it is TRUE and there is no doubt in my story.
Most other stories I have to take with a grain of salt but listen and learn of peoples stories they have to tell.
I like stories and people like telling stories and IT IS GOOD.
I just don't like when people argue over stories, which they often do.
But I can totally see people from Alaska and Hawaii sailing around, why wouldn't they?
I can probably find the story of Native Alaskans leaving during the Big Ice.
Going down as far as California I believe and then back and some staying at various places.
I seen it and it was pretty long like 1 Hr and a half.If I remember correctly.

Anywho, I will look at your other stuff later.


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