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Altair....I went back and re-read your post and this stuck out to me the second time as relates to your choice of vegetarianism. Have you ever been to a farm??? If not let me clue you in.......large scale commercial farming which is what is required to feed the population on this planet KILLS EVERYTHING except what the farmers want to grow. Every insect....every mouse, rat, opossum, raccoon ,snake, vole.....everything!!! Large scale farming wipes out more critters and wipes out more 10's of millions of acres of habitat world wide than anything else we do to feed ourselves. |
Altair
To answer your question.“Are you trying to pass your own words as ancient wisdom?” No I just said it before I wrote it. It sounded wise when I said it.So I figured I was wise. wise = In the manner or direction of (slantwise) definition Taken from the text: Websters dictionary 11th edition. |
Altair
Here is one you may enjoy. A wise medicine man once told me "If you poke a hole in your beans before you cook them you won't get gas." I gave up on this discipline. medicine man: Martin High Bear circa 1995 |
Altair and all who may care.
King oyster mushroom Pleurotus eryngii This is a real alternative source of protein. I do love vegetarians and we worked hard on perfecting farming methods and practices of growing the king oyster. It is one of the most cost effective mushrooms to grow. There are other species of mushrooms that can be looked into also that can be adapted in your natural areas. (plug method) and other methods. They can't however, currently can't be grown on Mars. |
Altair
I came up with a solution on the billions of mostly meat eaters. We could gather them up and teach them how to assimilate to eating government supplied foods and send them off to government schools. Oh wait, that one didn't work they went off the reservation. |
Lucky
Sorry for hijacking your thread. Wait, is that word allowed anymore? I can't keep up with all the does and don'ts. |
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As for killing animals.. you consciously and willingly choose to kill animals. This is an entirely different thing from a farmer or truck driver that transports food who may hit a badger on the road or hit a mouse with a machine. We have no control over these things. We can limit them by eating organic food, but alas, this is not financially possible for most people to commit to fully. It's an entire different ball game and discussion than the topic of deliberately and willingly killing animals, so it's apples and oranges. |
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What Lucky 1 does is his choice.. Quote:
Now you're telling me I can't discuss the topic because I ''use toothpaste''.. Fact 1: No human is causing zero harm on the environment. Fact 2: Some practices cause more harm to the environment, and/or to animals. Fact 3: Lets compare apples with apples, and oranges with oranges. It's no use to compare meat eating to toothpaste when they're used for different purposes. Fact 4: Meat eating is the single biggest contributor to deforestation and environmental degradation. Any other issue you came up with pales in comparison. And since sustainable use of resources and land use are fundamental to global stability we do best to look at the biggest issues. Quote:
And you can do that all you want. Fine with me. Meanwhile, I'll judge as well.. and you aren't going to silence me or shoo me away with that stuff about needing to be a mute.. get real! :wink: |
All of our choices kill animals and prevent animal life.Some choices help wildlife. There are those that talk and those that do.Those that are up close to the killing and those that let other people kill and choose to use the products.
All our choices have made extinct many species of plants which may contain cures for illnesses and save life. All can choose to stop or prevent the killing and habitat destruction of animals unnecessarily. Palm oil has been a cause of many acres of rain forest destruction and killed many animals.I choose not to purchase palm oil products.Natural gas production kills more animals and destroys more habitat then you even know. I don't really think this is all about what a person can do or chooses to do. I think many people are apposed to bow hunting and have nothing better to do than spread your fear here. You think you got Lucky pegged as a conservative and want to give him a hard time. That's my opinion. I thought this was all about conserving. See what I did there. |
Lucky is correct. Commercial farming harms the environment far more than hunting and amateur fishing does. Not just animal farming either, the chemicals used in the production of grain, market gardening and orchards. It's not only the fertilizers ending up in the water table but the eradication of insects affects bird life and of course this goes up the food chain affecting other carnivores like foxes. Life and death go together like night and day.
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