Schizophrenia and Bipolar Disorder?
 

Do you guys think demons cause schizophrenia and bipolar disorder? I think so, but I don't know if I believe it's true for every case or just a few... I know I've been battling some kind of demon/evil spirit being deeply attached to me for a while, and all the depression and anxiety and mood swings I had that I thought were just my own mental illness are virtually nonexistent since I've been working to build up my energy field, repair my chakras, and put up spiritual protection...

What are your thoughts?

I have been diagnosed schizophrenic ~ I am normal I just have some psychic and paranormal stuff going on

If you hear voices ~ Psychics call it clairaudience
doctors call it schizophrenia

I'm fine and normal ~ I just don't like being around evil people who mess with me ~ other than that I'm good

so ~ I'm normal ~ if they want to call me names and give me a paycheck for it ~ then I'm okay with that ~ it just makes my life easier

so ~ if they call me that I don't look down on myself ~ there is nothing wrong with me ~ I don't take offense to their name calling ~ I just take my paycheck

I really don't know anything at all about bipolar
I don't think my condition is caused by demons ~ I think I am blessed with some fun abilities
t feels like demonic oppression when evil people are spiritually ~ psychically ~ physically ~ or any other way attacking me ~ because thats what it is
their attacks can have a seriously bad affect on you ~ but thats something else ~ not schizophrenia ~ it's satanic ritual abuse
and if you choose the dark side ~ then your schizophrenia would probably be a dark demonic thing
I hear things and see things ~ but so do psychics and mediums ~ it's not so out of the ordinary on some forums

Thanks for your response, Hologram.

Yeah, I would agree with you I don't think the ability to hear voices is caused by demons or bad spirits, but I'd just say that sometimes the voices a person can hear will be from bad spirits or demons and I wish people didn't think the only way to make these bad voices and visions go away is to seek medication.

When they diagnosed me with bipolar disorder and gave me a prescription, the medication didn't help me, it actually helped the spirit trying to hurt me hurt me more... The side effects made me so weak and debilitated I could barely move or think and it had no effect on all the bad things the spirit was doing to me.

I talked to a guy that heard voices and he told me that they tell him to do terrible things

the worst voices I hear don't tell me to do bad things or anything like that ~ they just sound like spies talking about my private stuff which I find menacing ~ sometimes it almost sounds like they are mocking me ~ but I rebuked those voices in the name of Jesus Christ and after that they shut up and left me alone

I take medication because I can't sleep without it ~ they won't prescribe me sleeping pills ~ they prescribe me medication for schizophrenia that makes you sleep


they want me to take the medication during the day time ~ but I wont do it because it's like you said ~ I would be a zombie ~ and I wouldn't even have enough strength to walk ~ it also causes heart problems and is destroying my 20 20 vision

the medication doesn't affect my situation at all ~ it just makes me sleep ~ it doesn't get rid of voices ~ jesus gets rid of voices ~ at least in my case

i'm diagnosed 'schizophrenic'. But that seems to be a matter of opinion as some buy it and some don't.

I do know my original dr. lost my interest when he asked a question and then summarily took my answer as a lie (it wasn't) then used the results of THAT observation to back up his developing theory I was schizophrenic. Apparently we schizophrenics like to lie, it is a vanity thing or something...

That said, the whole experience being in the system has been good for me. It made me think about my situation a different way!

The meds too, while they have certain side effects which maybe aren't so great, they kinda take the edge off... kinda like using a cane to walk around when your legs become unsteady... I complained loudly about having to take the 'sleeping' drugs early in the morning and they eventually found another drug to put me on...

but my thought is, schizophrenia and other diseases aren't so much diseases as the inability to avoid 'undesirable' parts of reality that 'normal' people get to avoid most of the time... kind of like lacking an immune system so you attract 'dis-ease'... I also think the people who get into that situation are getting a kind of training that 'normal' people just never see though. Could be another aspect of last becoming first I guess...

First of all I'm sorry to hear what you're going through. But if you ask me, no. Schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are not the work of demons because monsters (apart from humans) don't exist. I'm no amateur when it comes to anxiety and depression myself, but I never blamed devils. I'm not sure what you did with this energy field and chakra thing, but the reason it may seem to work for you is probably because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You feel better because it gives you good vibes somehow. That being said, for me personally it would be a waste of time. But oh well, who am I to judge if it helps you?

Having faced off with an evil person a few months ago and waking up with a bruised left thigh and plumbing broken on my water tank and strewn everywhere without any explanation,
i can attest evil exists.
Question is,are they inherently demonic or possessed?
I personally think these dark hearts,are demonic.
Coming from a pov,of being the target.
And this is not the first time.
But,with this last encounter,i have closed the gate.
They can't get at me now.
The shoe is now on the other foot,
and with vibrations raised,
these dark entities will now feel the burn.

I agree ~ but are they really evil or are they just being evil because they are messed up from satanic ritual abuse ~ there is a difference
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some are not truly evil ~ they are just having a rough time and need to be fixed .they are possessed or oppressed against their will.
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some are truly evil because thats what they choose and they like it that way .they are possessed because they want to be evil.
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there is a difference ~ but they are both dangerous ~


they exist

I do

Of course evil exist, we can look for plenty examples of failed humans in history. but I don't buy that phony ''the devil made me do it''excuse... Everyone is responsible for themselves and their own actions, and the truth is that some people are just arses. Don't get me wrong, I do believe in demons. Just not in the traditional sense. I fundamentally believe hell is right here on Earth and humans are it's devils. I agree their hearts are ''demonic'', I mean what else should we call it? But the idea of invisible red men with pitchforks possessing people is just the stuff of myths and completely irrational.

They are as real as your imagination allows you them to be. If you're laying in bed at night and get spooked by every little noise you hear thinking they are monsters then this fear will create that reality for you. Or... you can get rid of your monsters by simply not believing in them; works perfectly fine for me, and I certainly encourage you to give it a try.



Can't say I blame you, having a scapegoat for our personal issues is a totally human thing.

I'm not imagining things and I give credit where credit is due

It's okay though, it takes baby steps to come to the point of realization. Also took me quite a while for something familiar.

I'm a true believer ~ I've already come to a realization ~ just not the same one as you

There is no clear answer to the diagnosis of schizophrenia or bi polar.
some say its Genetic ,
but they are most def not the work of demons


Namaste

In my case it was the subconscious telepathy with humans and devils causing it. It is certainly not genetic.

If you take this path be sure that you are 100% with your Guide (Higher Self). You do this by accepting to change for your Guide. Change happens. Remember to love your Guide more than everything. Because you will need luck. Your Guide can give you luck.

There is no Devil but there are devils. I chose to befriend them (i.e. not battling them). Achieving this took me 10 years but I solved schizophrenia.
You may want to check out my thread:
https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...96#post2029496

Cheers,
green1

Holding onto negative thinking, especially against other people that have harmed us in the past, has an energy that stays with us, affecting how we feel and how we think about our environment. Finding forgiveness, even if for you own sake, can release these demons from your body.

I've experienced this myself, letting go of issues I had with others, feeling the weight of the demons physically leave me as I let go. I was able to let go because I found a new environment allowing me time to heal and figure out what happened to me. Find ways to forgive or free yourself from the demons that are with you. For now.

Illness, sickness and disease are negative energies and the only way to combat them is by being positive. Healthy mind = healthy body. Healthy body = healthy aura. Amen
I'm schizophrenic btw.

Sometimes medication can have a profound effect on our recovery from bi-polar disorder. I was prescribed Vraylr, and have seen very positive results from this medication... Medication, yoga, spiritual pursuits and reading, talking to a Doctor. You can in addition seek advice from Priests, Rabbis, Preachers, Spiritual Healers, etc...Exercise can also benefit.

I work in the mental health field. I have also experienced the spirit realm so I don't disregard when people tell me they are hearing voices as hallucinations. It seems to me that mental illness and entity attachment go hand in hand. At the same time, not every case is the same. I've seen medications help and I've seen people put on every medication possible with no effect. I've got one case now which I am sure has some elements of entity attachment, if not headed towards possession.

I would agree with you jro


Namaste

When I worked in mental health one of my clients went into a full-blown episode, I had to trap her into a corner to stop her from running out of the building and onto a very busy main road. She sat in a corner in a puddle of het own urine, screaming and looking at me as though I was the devil incarnate come to take her away. That was caused not by deamons but chemical imbalances in the brain because her medications were late.

We create our own demons. In the case of mental health issues often the unconscious can communicate more easily with the conscious and it does this by using images to convey consciousness. Think of dream interpretations and you'll get the idea. The 'demons' are images the unconscious mind 'sends' and the mind personifies them as actual demons - the brain 'translates' them as literal and not symolic. And you can't protect yourself form what you create so forget protection from those 'demons'. Your brain 'demonises' your depression, mood swings etc.

Any kind of work you do on yourself can be therapuetic, Spiritual practices included/especially. Self diagnosing is not therapy nor is it clever, and there will be underlying root causes for it so the chances are your issues can recur. Mood swings can be caused by things like diet or Lifer changes but anxiety and depression usually has deeper causes, and they remain until they are dealt with directly. Working on yourself is often a relapse or a diversion.

Many mental health issues cause demons but demons don't cause mental health issues. Did you know that schizophrenia and Spirituality light up the same ares of the brain?

That's when the schizophrenia can become paranoid, and the person can become a danger to themselves and others. That's the kind of stuff you see in the movies.

The voices are literally in your head - and by the way, I hear voices too. If you listenb to them and have a conversation with them they might even help you out, because the voices are 'generated' by yoour issues. You'll probably find that your voices represent your issues, as though they have taken on form. Again, telling them to shut up doesn't address the root causes.

Pretty much, yes. The unconscious comprises of some 90-95% of the total of our consciousness and it's responsible for pretty much most of how we perceive both our internal and external realities. For instance, what you see isn't what you see, what your eyes actually see is a projection onto the inside of the sphere of your eyeball. The brain flattens the image, divides in into three parts and each part is processed by different parts of the brain at different speeds. Then it's all stitched back together again and you see in 3D. Similarly with all of your senses, it's the processing of information and what you become conscious of is the 'end result'.

Dreams are the unconscious mind communicating with the conscious mind, and often they are the unconscious trying to make the conscious mind aware of something. In that respect dreams can be dis-ease because the unconscious may be trying to make the conscious mind aware of an issue. So your dream of a soaring bird could be your unconscious trying to tell you that you feel trapped and you need to 'fly free'. Something similar can happen with mental health issues in that things like deamons are representations or personifications of mental health issues. So no, those of "sound mind" never see demons because they don't have mental health issues that need to be addressed.

It's when we see demons and hear voices (I do too) that people with mental health issues actually become more aware of perceptual reality than "normal people". They become more conscious of their unconscious and believe it or not, become more self-aware than "normal people".

I would have to agree with Greenslade,


Namaste

I was camped in Pueblo, Colorado, some years ago and got chatting late one evening to a native American woman in a 7/11. She'd been living for some time in her car, separated from family and tribe. She had been prescribed drugs to help with her mental issues but she had stopped taking them.
I sat and talked with her for quite a time, listened closely to what she'd been experiencing, questioned what she thought. I found it impossible to decide whether she'd been experiencing the unwanted attention of a discarnate who had latched on to her vulnerability. ('attachment') Or whether she was suffering mental illness made worse by not taking the drugs intended to help her cope.

All I could do was encourage her to think about heading home and visiting with her family - she had told me they were worried for her welfare and safety. I encouraged her to think about consulting again with her doctor. But I also encouraged her to consult with a tribal shaman.

You did the right thing Bobjob i just hope she followed your advice.



Namaste

hmmmm


They're all interesting, but as yet unproven, points - unless someone can point out relevant data I'm not aware of. To the best of my knowledge the nature and significance of dreams remains a subject of conjecture rather than fact.

Mental health may be better understood and a link between seeing demons and mental ill-health may be logical but again - as far as I'm aware - is still unproven.

Oh as with most issues, Native spirit, my words were only suggestions and encouragement.

She later wrote to me and had made the journey home but although I did try to keep in touch it wasn't to be. Those were the days before smart phones and easy communication and letters need much more effort.

At least she made the journey home she took the advice you gave her.



Namaste

I was relieved she had. Living in a station wagon, using the 7/11 for food, washing and toilet, being constantly pestered by an unwelcome spirit visitor (I thought but I could not be certain.) was no way for a woman to be living.

I often think of her and wonder how things turned out. I can even remember her name. Was our meeting a coincidence or planned? A Brit RVer who just happened to be staying briefly in that town in Colorado?

Perhaps that's all it was - just coincidence?

And the extent of your knowledge is...?

limited - What's YOURS?

THANKS FOR SHARING
I knew a Hindu woman that lost her teaching job due to the recession of 2008. Consequentially, she lost her apartment and ended up sleeping and living in her car. She was on psych medications before all of this happened and when she could no longer afford them, she went back to her 'old self' and was worse then ever. Then the desert heat got to her and then she went 'crazy'. Drinking hard liquor made matters worse.

It took years for her to drag herself out of that 'hole' but she did.

I can see a lot of families being in that situation now because of the pandemic, when places open up again,
The jobs wont be there so they will find themselves in the same situation.
and when they have problems it will into not help because the Mental health team will be overwhelmed with cases


Namaste

It seems like you are saying that demons are our own projections and not real. I would have to disagree, as I have witnessed a woman become full on possessed. She levitated, spoke in an ancient language, voice changed, eyes changed, etc. She did stuff that we are not capable of doing to ourselves. I also felt the presence of the demon in the room, although it did not have a physical body of it's own. She likely attracted it to herself, but it was most definitely a separate being from her.
Anyway, that was the moment when I knew the spirit realm was real beyond any doubt.

Where I work, we are overwhelmed with cases and I know this is true of the entire area. People are signing up for mental health services and having to wait for weeks or even months. The psychiatric hospitals here are turning people away that they shouldn't be turning away because there just aren't enough beds. Yes, mental health is skyrocketing.

It would be remarkable if mental health problems in the US were significantly fewer than in the UK.

Here we're repeatedly told a huge backlog of all manner of health issues has built up since the start of 2020, mental health included. And mental health provision was poor well before the pandemic with routine waiting times of many months. Unless I've misunderstood the situation a wait of weeks to see a mental health practitioner was almost unheard of.

But now the mental pressures brought on by the changes encountered and enforced since early 2020 are said to have resulted in a huge number of sufferers - including youngsters - additional to the already high numbers routinely having to wait months for help.

In the UK we're desperately short of medical staff in just about every field and that's especially the case in mental health provision. Although the pandemic is beginning to come under a measure of control the new problems it has brought will stress test all our medical services for years to come. And will stress our already fragile economy, post Brexit, just as much.

The outcome is likely to be citizens presenting with emotional and mental health problems at an unprecedented level.

Having worked in mental health for one.

But you witnessed that. I worked in mental health and I'm a medium so as far as this goes I've seen both sides of the coin, and I also have my own mental health issues. I've seen people go on full-blown psychotic episodes like you see in the movies. In one case I had to 'trap' a young woman in a public toilet, she sat in a puddle of her own urine screaming at me, and herding her into the toilet was preferable to her running into a busy main road to get away from me. I can only guess what she saw me as, but not long prior to that I'd been doing some training with her and having a laugh. What she saw was all in her own mind. There have been other cases but there is a difference between the demons in people's heads and something more real or objective similar to what you witnessed.

If you witnessed it then what was going on wasn't just in that person's head. There is a difference. I don't have an explanation for that but I've also witnessed things that can't be explained by any kind of common sense even. Something exists beyond science that's for sure.

Based on your experience then, was I right or wrong in what I said? Here's a reminder:

"They're all interesting, but as yet unproven, points - unless someone can point out relevant data I'm not aware of. To the best of my knowledge the nature and significance of dreams remains a subject of conjecture rather than fact.

Mental health may be better understood and a link between seeing demons and mental ill-health may be logical but again - as far as I'm aware - is still unproven."

jro made interesting observations and indeed it's not easy to explain exactly what was going on. So-called demonic possession isn't new and neither are reports of levitation. Thankfully they're comparatively rare (I think? Depends on what you compare.) and although intriguing such reports don't add anything substantial to what's already known about our survival in a different form beyond physical death.

Let's not forget, though, that this thread is titled: "Schizophrenia and Bipolar Disorder?"