Because entering the 'injun country' to me is like stepping into a mine-field and I am quite shell-shocked already.
This IS a beautiful and ever so important Amerind story - Thank you for bringing it up:
And the seven ceremonies are so valuable to keep.
Info about the pipe (for non-NDNs):
From the video:
Pipe as an "energy conductor" for energetic thought-form and he called that an "energy signature"..
In my culture "the energy conductors" are some specific trees (symbolic of the World Pole), but of course a Shaman no longer needs to do these symbolic acts.
"The Spirit Horse" that came and took the shaman-to-be-person to-the-other-side during the "Shamanic-Death-Experience" and also brought him/her back into the body - now is the energy between the Earth & Sky carrying the prayers. (What Tibetans call the "Windhorse" and Mongolians "Hiimori" - the now 'extra soul of the Shaman').
But the expression "Walks like a living prayer" should be clear enough - no?
Either understood by these symbolic acts or as an already existent "energy signature" of a holy person.
What the Sage intends .... manifests ...
His gifts/Spirit will pull or lure him into the right path for him.
I do not think Thunder dreamers are extinct.
He can perfect his gifts as much as He is willing to be open to and commit to them.
He will have His whole lifetime to perfect them or not.
It will be His choice, and it will all depend on His level of commitment.
His interests will probably lead Him as time goes on.
Most tribes have some sort of Thunder society or clans.
Nice little vid. on the White Buffalo Calf Maiden.
Also your 2nd vid. is excellent. I Love 'Not a Medicine Mans' practical teachings.
Yes, there is ritual and then there is beyond ritual.
I could also say the Pipe represent me. To be a Hollow Bone. Yes?
Computer finally crashed so I have to clank out words on a old slow laptop.
So I may also be slow, in my responses.
Yes, yes. These rituals are invaluable teaching tools explaining/demonstrating how things work in practice.
And yes, first one uses a conduit (unified male-female energy) and when the scales tip over one becomes a conduit …. i.e. one becomes nothing, a-beyond-gender ‘hollow bone’ shaman.
Although Amerinds do not have shamans:
One doesn’t call Spiritual Elders “Chiefs”:
And here is why:
One wouldn’t have called a shaman a “chief” either. Ours wasn’t a personality cult. How does one make a figurehead, a ”celebrity” out of a person who has ‘died to the self’ – who became a ‘hollow bone’ in order to serve all? (All one’s relations).
People do borrow meanings from Amerind lingo though, as if it was a common language for all 'natives' :
War paint! … What the …?:
I don’t know of body painting in shamanism. People expressed their totems, beliefs, spirit helpers, protectors etc. etc. through jewellery and their belonging to a specific ‘nation’ through clothing.
Maybe I had told about this story before. At one time, met this Elder/Healer (‘medicine man’) in an event. He had a paper tube on his head and when I asked about it, he said: “The Pope has got one too, so why shouldn’t I?”
- Which I thought was fair enough.
His name was/is "Nose Peg" (Although he wasn’t wearing one at that time).
Another old picture (I trust) of a healer:
Thank you! He will find his way, no doubt. He is working out the empath part first.
However on the other matter, I cannot quite imagine a hereditary pipe carrier as a “chief” or as a “pope like leader.”
This conjures up an Indo-European hierarchical worldview.
Surely there is a difference there – no?
Yes, I agree.
I hesitated using it that way. I decided to live dangerously that day. LOL
I was relating it as an example, but they are totally different.
Though, I cannot speak to how different or how much they
have in common. I have never walked in eithers shoes.
Arvol calls himself chief as a title.
Nice to hear that.
I Hope nothing but goodness for you and your family.
Some Louie Gonnie music
On our Road of Life
A persons experience of his first sweat/purification lodge.
I liked hearing him tell his story.
I could relate.
Vid. is about 14min.
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