I want to Thank especially Starman, Michelle, and Linen, for your very very touching and intelligent and brave posts! I'm reading with great interest. I'm also going through turmoil, and you guys do help me. Thank you so much! :hug2:
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Well anyway, I do wonder what would have occurred had I gone into psychology. It’s possible I would have failed out of school and that would have been hard because I identified as someone who was everyone’s therapist. Or maybe I would have stayed caught in my comfort zone of being wrapped up in helping others never taking the time to work on myself thus not getting much accomplished this life.. Or maybe I would have opened my wounds before I was strong enough to face them. When my life is over and I get the review I am hoping that I will see what would have become of me because there was a time where I felt like the path I went down that eventually led me to wanting to annihilate myself into oblivion was pretty horrific. I felt destroyed within myself and wondered how anything could have been worse. Ultimately I think the decent back into depression mostly triggered my unhealthy issue with mistakes and doing things wrong. I felt all my life choices were wrong but I am now seeing the path my life took and how it has actually served to bring me to a healing. I use to think my life was supposed to be about reaching some level of occupational success in life. I now see that those paths are merely a means to an end for our soul to work on a lesson or overcome a challenge. Can’t say that is what life is about with absolute certainty or for everyone but seeing how my life unfolded has been interesting to say the least. None of it made any sense for a long time and then it all suddenly rippled into place. All the puzzle pieces began to fit. Quite a ride. The story you recounted about the hypnosis is very interesting. There are parts to it that defy logic and in my opinion support the case for past lives and us bringing issues with us. My suspicion is that one life simply leads into the other. We pick up where we left off. The trauma from the experience of being shot and dying is having a possible impact on the woman’s current life. Well I guess I should not make that assumption. She very well may be a well grounded balanced person but I have a sense that the idea that I am evil had come from a past life experience. That I made such a horrific mistake in a past life that I saw myself as unredeemable and that not just my human self but my soul in its entirety needed to be destroyed and I ended that life with those intentions. As a result I suspect I spent a bit of time in darkness with the belief that I succeeded until I was finally coaxed out of the state of self induced exile. Well, possibly a far flung attempt by my brain to make sense of something that it couldn’t make sense of. I really don’t see anything that major in my life to attach an evil label on myself. Maybe it is true and maybe it isn’t but I guess the most important thing is that I learn to redefine my view of myself and stop tearing myself apart for being human, flawed and mistaken sometimes. I don’t sense that I still see myself as evil. I know I have no desire to destroy myself but I still struggle to feel ok but I’m working it out. This conversation has been helpful. Hugs. |
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The one thing I will add to this theoretical concept about what life is about, is that nothing is ever really truly done over. Progress is an upward spiral. We may appear to be going over the same ground but we come back at it with new knowledge. Even a suicidal person who may possibly be required to try the same type of life again will come back with some potential new information that suicide isn't the answer and they will avoid going down the same path the next life. Progress isn't a giant leap, it's one step at a time. |
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Communication is so very important, especially how we communicate, as the saying goes there is no way that we cannot communicate; because even silence communicates something. However, I think it is wise to realize that we are always communicating with ourselves, even if we direct our communication towards someone else, we are at least affirming what we have told ourselves. Then there is the internal dialogue, which leads to what, and how, we understand others and ourselves.
The internal dialogue can be in words that take place in our head, it can be in nonverbal body language, and it can also be intuitive. Often the substance of our internal dialogue is about the external world and how we relate to it, how we relate to other people, but the internal dialogue may also be about how we interpret ourselves, our emotions, thoughts, or other more intimate matters. We often come to conclusions from our internal dialogue, and another phrase for “internal dialogue” is “self-talk,” or how we talk to ourselves. This, for better or worst, is how we program ourselves. We are all programmed, or to say it another way, we are all conditioned, and that conditioning may have come from an automatic response to stimuli or it may have come from a deliberate attempt to better cope with our existence. I find the iceberg analogy rather accurate, an iceberg is usually much larger below the water surface than it is on the surface. We, human beings have a lot more going on below the surface than we do on the surface. Generally, people just treat the symptoms that are on the surface and they usually hide, stuff, or ignore the root causes. Reasoning will only take us so far, as logic can be faulty. There are logical fallacies in syllogistic thought. Not all reasoning is sound or valid. We base so much of our lives on what we think. Society gives more validation to what is going on in our head than they do what is going on in our heart. I used to be extremely intellectual, fixed firmly in my head, until a colleague jokingly said to me, “haven’t you ever had a gut feeling about something?” Though this person was joking, I started to seriously question that. I learned that I was afraid to truly get in touch with my heart because I had stuffed so many things that I did not want to face deep down in my heart. This is the hell, which I often now refer to on the way to experiencing heaven. A self created hell. Journaling, or writing down my feelings started the process of looking into my own heart. Understanding that no matter what we say, we are saying it to ourselves. The messages I give to others are messages I have given to myself; we give to others the work, or lack of work, that we have done on ourselves. If I am polarized it is not because of someone else, or something that happened to me, rather it is how my mind and body reacted, automatically or manually, to what has happened to me. In my opinion human life is not about what happened to us rather life is about how we react to what happened to us; the choices, consciously or unconsciously, that we make. Blame plays no part in this. Blame and casting judgment sidetracks the issue and gets us off into another topic. Grieving is healthy, crying can be healthy, but we do not want to wallow in self-pity for too long, else we may not do the work on ourselves that needs to be done. Whenever possible I am into the least invasive approach. I also lean towards a drugless approach when ever possible. Notwithstanding what I am sharing here is a nonspecific sweeping generalization, and there are issues where pharmaceuticals or other more invasive treatments are necessary. But a lot of healing can take place just by self-talk. Our internal dialogue, our self-talk, for better or worst, is an affirmation. We constantly affirm things to ourselves for better or worst on a daily basis. An what we affirm has consequences. We influence our own physical bodily cellular structure by constantly focusing and thinking on the same thoughts. Once we start talking to ourselves about something, over time we start visualizing what we have been talking to ourselves about, and visualizations can be very powerful. Everything is inter-connected and intra-connected. Health is balance, and our balancing dynamic is like a web, when one thing within us gets out of balance it tends to imbalance other things. There are many wonderful tools available to us at this point in time. Tools that maybe those who came before us did not have available to them. But even without any external tools, self-love is so important. Love is a healer unto itself. Start with words of love and then move into the feeling of love. If you cannot get a hug from anyone else, wrap your arms around your body and give yourself a big physical hug. Love your legs, feet, arms, and every other part of your body, in a gentle non-narcissistic way; be gentle with yourself. What healthy messages we did not get as a child we have to give to ourselves as an adult. The key to self-healing is to accept yourself right where you are at right now regardless of your situation, and work on yourself from there. Love yourself regardless what others may say about you. In my opinion the work is never done but the benefits often exponentially increase. Have gratitude for the simplest things in life and you will more readily notice those increasing benefits. Keep your mind out of it as much as possible. We have got to learn how to use our mind, our thoughts and imagination, or our mind, thoughts and imagination will use us. Mind is not our enemy, rather it is an innate tool that we have to learn how to use just like we had to learn how to walk and use our legs, etc. I have seen too many people who were driven crazy by their own mind. Had their thoughts dragging them around, etc. You are not your thoughts. So these are just some things that have come to me on this Sun-Day, which I thought I’d share here in this thread. Peace:smile: |
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Quote: Originally Posted by linen53 Well, I commit suicide in my last lifetime and I have memories of me from that point until right now. Yes, I had to start all over again. But that's my belief. But then why didn't you write that ? I believe .... You wrote it as if it was fact. Well it is my truth. Quote: Originally Posted by linen53 Why would I want you take on my beliefs? You have your own belief system and that is just fine with me. Well it's totally clear to me now it is your belief. I don't fight believes obviously. I don't argue or fight. Period. Quote: Originally Posted by linen53 No, incarnating is not fun. It's hard, heartbreaking work. I wouldn't know. I'd like to believe you, but I tend to only believe what exists in my personal universe. On the other hand, I don't see the point in you lying. So I tend to believe you. However, I don't see suicide as a failure. But then I also don't believe in purpose. If one is in lasting depressing pain and one does not believe it can get better, then why prolong suffering ? It's a personal decision. In some incarnations I'm sure most of us have chosen to end it prematurely. Can one only learn it's lesson through suffering ? Does cancer teaches us to hang in there despite the suffering ? And what kind of lesson would it be, to hang in there because you might win the lottery and magically heal ? Hmmm, lessons learned are not a direct result of a case of cancer, for example. Lesson will probably not be how to tolerate cancer. The suffering might bring on more empathy, patience, tolerance, etc., in general. Or does it teaches to not look away but the hope for the better without prejudice about the consequences of suicide and to respect the suicidal's wishes until the very end ? I believe we all do the best we can. Yes, I believe you when you say you had to start all over again. But I do not believe it's due to the suicidal act by itself. Actually I believe that even if you did not commit suicide you may have not learned your lesson. I believe you had to start all over again because you may have not learned your lesson. Assuming there is any lesson to be learned at all. Well, I have the memories. And they are my memories. Unless you are in my shoes you haven't got a clue. You may have opinions or theories, but not facts.:hug: |
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That's why we are all here. To help one another. PM me if you want to talk further. :hug: |
Those were very lovely words Starman. Thanks for sharing :hug3:
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Nothing special. You would reincarnate into similar environment to learn the lessons you ignored or tried to avoid by committing suicide. Life is a school and you get the repeated lessons until you learn from them and evolve into the next ''grade''. Check out "The Present" from Global Truth Project for more details; it explains life in 4 pages. |
To sacrifice one's life for the sake of loved ones is the best and spiritual "suicide".
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Life can be hard, I'm sure God knows that much... I do.:smile:
Suicide is like saying to God, thanks, but no thanks... not today.:wink: The lessons are always given... so help me GOD:confused: I'm sure most people on their death bed say sorry... The pain to carry on gets blurred. I tried.. it. I lived. |
I just finished reading this thread and found it very interesting
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@Alice_1 I've thought about that a lot. If the short term pain of suicide is eased by the long-term peace that comes from no longer having to cope with a badly broken person, then, yes, agreed. |
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This is the hardest of all tests I face as a Medium, when I have someone come to me that has lost a family member or friend to taking their own life. The feeling of a life lost or cut short before it unfolded fully. To many its seen as "Sin" and that they have done such a wrong. I have to feel that when death comes, when we stop the beating of the heart, that we were called back home. That it was our time, that we knew we we were done. Now assisted suicide is maybe where the lines might be blurred a bit, as one is ill and suffering and wants that path to stop. Is this a breaking of the natural life course ? I have been in Hospice with those at life's end where the meds are upped do that a passing comes with more ease. Its speeding up the natural course of death and to some its the taking of life. In sitting there as the person moves on never have I felt a 'wait not ready' feeling more its a peace that comes over them. One reading stays with me, where a family member felt so strongly that the death by one's own had of a family member so put a black mark on the family, so opened that door to Hell's Fires. This family member was mentally ill of age where there was little to no understandings of what was wrong or what to do other than sedate and lock one away. Sadly most times this was after harm was done. This family member was being told to "kill" his family by the voices in their head. Morally they knew this was wrong so they took their life to spare life. To spare the suffering that might have come from their hands. I relayed this message but still it was thought of a Sin and a black mark on the family. Yet they asked me to make contact. I look to how we do not allow our family pet to suffer, we put them down when ill, yet as humans we suffer on. Lynn |
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I agree totally with this. I never had a problem with Jack Kevorkian's humane methods, but he was persecuted and has since passed on himself, leaving no progress in at least the U.S. |
None of us know for certain, I believe that we are not punished for any sins we made in our human form.
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Wow....I loved everyone's posts today....I haven't really been reading too many posts here in awhile just dropping in and skimming for a minute or two. I have been going between two jobs, finishing up my two weeks at one, and taking classes for the new one.
I just want to say first to Linen....I don't have bipolar ( or maybe I do?? lol, I would probably be considered relatable and understandable, then) I guess I shouldn't have used that word to describe my emotional/ mental state after eating junk food and feeling terrible. I was trying to measure it with how I felt when I ate horrible, however I still stand by my original post that our diet is the foundation for many of these diagnosis. |
I believe all of you...
I would like to stand up and say...I'm an old soul, and this is my last round here...but it's not, and I'm no older than the rest of you. You can't measure a souls age, but you can somewhat measure its maturity based on wisdom and experience. This is what I learned from you today... Everyone of us will go through the same lessons in at least one of our lives, and while some of us will take similar routes, others will take detours. If we were all to travel to Florida for vacation, many from my area would take the same interstate, others from different parts of the country would take other roads and interstates. People from different countries might might fly or take a boat...but we would all end up in Florida. However, I'm not feeling the need for more heat and humidity at the moment....I'm ready for some snow. �� Anyone want to go to Colorado this winter for some skiing! ������ One thing is for sure, we would all take different routes to get there...and some of us might get lost in the mountains in a landslide (raising hand) I want to thank you all for your posts, I'm going to read through them more extensively this weekend, I love to read...and I don't have to work. I really appreciate all sides, and all of your experiences...there's definitely more to learn and more knowledge to gain from others experiences, too... It's very similar, when you guys and gals write, to feeling someone on a soul level. Besides myself, I'm not sure I know too many people consciously on a soul level..but I can feel it with many open posters here, such as Linen, Starman, Michelle...and the rest of you who are so open and honest...and aren't afraid to bare their beliefs and experiences here....and essentially your souls. It's very interesting and insightful...much like blowing the dust off beautiful, old, ancient books that have not been read in many centuries...and opening themselves up for you to personally read. Thank you all...when you think nobody is reading, or paying attention...they are. We are quiet ly reading your book. I can imagine this is what the Akashic records look like...each chapter of your stories, beautifully written in your own words and handwriting.xoxoxo Each of you have inspired me today, and this post* I can honestly say, thank you and I love you all, soulfully. God bless brothers and sisters* |
By committing suicide you may walk away from your problems hence problems aren't solved and you carry them with you to a temporary afterlife and/or immediately in the next incarnation. Your taking of life will lead to suffering and pain in others, pain that you will most likely have to heal again in the afterlife and/or the next incarnation. I realize there may be exceptions, like if you lost everyone. It is also trauma/shock and violence towards yourself, which as well requires healing. The person may be in great suffering/pain but the consequences to others should not be underestimated.. you can't walk away from responsibilities, sooner or later it comes back.:smile: I know it may suck to hear this but I think responsibility and facing one's problems are essential to spiritual growth..
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I have worked with several spirits who have taken their own life and were earthbound. One of which was attached to my friend and was bringing her down with his sorrows, to the point that she was ready to go.
What I have found is that many things they say you will be sent to hell for just aren't true. I only awakened last year and I have already lost count of how many spirits I have crossed over, many of which lived less than savory lives. And yet with a little push they were all able to be forgiven by god and the angels. I do think being earth-bound for some time is the punishment they receive. This is just my experience however. |
I really just hope we 'rest in peace'. :confused:
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there is no rest for the wicked
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I apologize for the misunderstanding Colorado. My bad.:redface:
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Meaning: It will not be the end of your journey, in fact, it just has began. You merely have entered a new phase. |
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