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Lynn 10-03-2019 12:01 AM

Heat Treated Crystals and Dye Infused Crystals
 
Hello

So many times I am finding that there is a lot of "heat treated" crystals on the market place of late. I too have noted that there is a lot of "common" agate that has been dye infused. If the colour is too bright most likely its been messed with and the value there is not as great as the price tag on it.

I have an example from a store that sells them as "Decorative Ware" not crystals so in that if you know your crystals your not going to by them for metaphysical purposes. YET I was like blown away on the price tag on "fakes" heat treated amethyst as someone could have been taken in that does not know their crystals thinking it was a good deal. (compared to what a real one goes for not heat treated).

So if you heat treat it or dye infuse it is it then "fake" I feel yes but not all feel that way. When you burn something you change its make up, I see fire as a cleansing so you remove the value energy of that stone.

I had to laugh when some were "finger lifted" and landed on a Buy and Sell site, that were faked.

Its such a case of buyer be wary out there, at times yes you find good deals at the retail home stores but be careful.

So what do you think of Heat Treating or Dye infusing crystals and how they are seen ?

For me personally I will not touch them. The yare altered and faked. No value as energy source just something pretty to look at.

Lynn

FairyCrystal 10-03-2019 10:30 AM

Fire is much more than just cleansing. To me it's actually more transmuting than cleansing. The cleansing with Fire is getting rid of the negative, not the positive.
The normal description of citrine (attracting wealth etc) IS that of heat treated citrine, so what was previously amethyst. Natural citrine has different qualities.

I don't feel that it robs crystals of energy, otherwise most ppl's citrine wouldn't do anything at all. It's just been transmuted from amethyst to citrine a bit faster than nature does it.
If something is dyed I guess it depends on what the original stone is that was dyed.
I know malacholla is usually partially dyed. I have a malacholla and a piece broke off. I was shocked to see that its insides looked like cement, apart from a thin layer of malacholla on one side.
I contacted my crystal shop to let them know and ask them if they knew. They immediately made inquiries with their contacts and turns out it is normal practice. Apparently it is often/always a thin layer of malacholla on motherstone and then they dye the motherstone.
This is done with the outside of large amethyst geodes as well. The motherstone is dyed anthracite to make it look prettier.
I rather have the grey motherstone with the thin layer of malacholla, so without the dye.
I don't like the feeling that I'm getting conned.

Crystals that have been irradiated I'm not sure about. Not certain how that affects the energy?

Dyed agate... I usually don't like the over the top bright colours. I feel it's more for tourists who like a pretty coloured chime or something. And granted, some of them look nice. But then I would buy them for that, something colourful for the patio, not for the quality of agate.
In spite of that, I do have a howlite bracelet that is dyed (aqua). I knew when I bought it it wasn't turquoise. I think that's what it said on the card. But I felt I had both the energy of howlite and that of the colour aqua/turquoise. Colour therapy is very powerful, so in that way it can also have an effect. I would not have bought the bracelet if it had been natural, hihi.

Lucky 10-03-2019 05:05 PM

It's funny you bring up this topic Lynn...
Whenever I go into those retail home stores just to browse, I get to the aisle where they display these beautiful chunks of crystals and salt lamps and I get dizzy and have to leave the store. Every. Single. Time. It's as if I know they were tampered with and dyed just to make them prettier. I'd imagine this takes away from their original properties, just like polished and tumbled stones are not as powerful as the raw untouched ones so they say.

Sapphirez 10-03-2019 06:01 PM

That's interesting Lucky.. yeah it makes me very sad to see color dyed crystals, and I did pick some up when I was new on my crystal journey. not even sure I'd want to give them away to someone.. but I am sure I will find a use for them because I do like pretty things even if they are made out of plastic or other fake materials sometimes.. so I try to appreciate that the crystals or natural objects are now in this modified state and love them anyways, but it just hurts a little lol

for me besides the atrocity that this fake or artificial conditioning was done to the natural objects, the toxicity of the dyes used is what upsets me the most. and I feel that can't be good or fair to the crystals. I do agree with FairyCrystal that color therapy is healing and powerful, but we don't need that done to crystals to benefit from color therapy so it's really senseless. As for heat treating, it's a shame it's a lot more commonplace than we think.. it's hard to know how best to avoid any adulterations to crystals and of course trusting a supplier is tough enough to begin with. I don't think that we can compare the Earth's irradiation and heat treating to man doing it himself.. We have to be careful how much we think we can play God or achieve the same results, on all levels molecularly and energetically and so on because it just isn't comparable.
I mean this subject also reminds me of those orgone pyramids and stuff. I'm almost interested in trying to make some of those some day, but the fact that the crystals become encased in poly resin and other synthetic ingredients are used in them, it just doesn't seem worth it no matter how profound the potential energy coming from them can be. suffocating crystals in plastics and dyes and such just doesn't seem right

Lynn 10-03-2019 06:51 PM

Hello

Citrine is a great example. We had one in the store that was expensive over $400 on the tag but you could tell it had been "heat treated" and it got finger lifted and posted for re sale. No one on site bit at buying it pointing out to this one that it was "fake" and so not worth that price. LOL their loss. Thought they would make a quick buck and Karma bit.

I wonder if the buyers that do the picking for the stores pay too much for "fake" stones as they might not understand the true values. It like the Salt Lamps now that are in every drug store and shop it seems. Not all are even made of Himalayan Salt at all they are a man made make up.

I have to laugh at the stuff that comes in that does not sell and sits there, that has a huge price tag on it, as buyers are getting more educated on what is real and what is fake and learning that natural is better.

The amethyst tower I got at a retail store might have been slightly heat treated but not to the point its BRIGHT blinding purple. It feels amazing so I know there is life in it.

Lynn

Crystal canuck 11-03-2019 06:27 AM

What's the point in having stones that are dyed or heated ? Its unnatural, you might as well buy a hunk of plastic.:icon_frown: It ruins the whole conversation when you have to say this isn't from nature.

Sure some heated/dyed specimens are really beautiful, but so is an oil slick.:D There have been times when I was disappointed that a specimen was not natural, and I could not buy it. A good example is a red agate crystal I thought was really cool, but no point if it's essentially a fake. I also thought a rainbow silicate carborundum was amazing, and was bitterly disappointed to find out it was a man made compound.

As for the heated amethyst, many people who care about energies believe that a heated amethyst has nowhere close to the power of a natural citrine. The two don't look anything alike either, only a fool would be fooled.:smile: I am talking more about the citrine fairycrystal mentioned, not the possibly slight alteration Lynn describes with her amethyst. If it's still a nice purple than I'm sure it hasn't been messed with too much.

The whole point in crystal beauty I believe is that they are real works of art from mother nature. Anything else is just garbage in my opinion. It would sort of be like " look at this amazing fossil skull of this dinosaur, well actually it's not a dinosaur that actually existed, oh and it's actually made of plastic " I wonder how impressive your fossil collection would seem then :biggrin:

I prefer crystals/stones to be as natural as possible. In some cases cutting and polishing I find acceptable. Some stones actually benefit a great deal with a little polishing like tiger eye or labradorite. I don't buy anything that has been artificially heated, dyed, irradiated or lab made. Just out of principle, after all I would ruin my collection of natural specimens by contaminating them with such filth. If I have such strong feeling towards artificially made stones ( and I just collect for beauty ) I would assume people on this fourm that actually care about the crystal energies, should be even more against such practices. I would be surprised to find anyone here claiming they care about energy, actually entertaining the thought of getting such useless trinkets.

I am sorry if this offends anyone, as that is not the intention. This is simply how I view crystals. Sounds like Lynn has similar feelings.

Sapphirez 12-03-2019 12:51 AM

lol Crystal canuck that was really funny about the oil slick being beautiful. I'm torn because I feel like everything deserves to be loved and appreciated.. well you know what I mean, generally everything lol, especially from nature.. but yeah I don't get great feelings or thoughts about corrupted things. And I also have studied healing for a very long time, and what makes people unhealthy, and it seems clear that deviation and deprivation of nature is what causes disease and disorder, so the idea of a divine crystal being tampered with and even covered with synthetic toxic dyes is just painful lol..


Hmm what about peacock ore? That is made with a treatment right? because I have some and it is gorgeous of course.. but I think the goldish silverish version is pretty too though I don't own that. or there is this other crystal my brother got me that has a similar colore scheme, like a gunmetal gray with subtle peacock rainbow effect on it, forgot what it's called but that's not important to this post I guess. Anyways, I have to or want to love these anyways, even if they are adulterated. Another example is the aura quartzes and stuff, now I don't have any, and I don't exactly desire to own them, but I'd be thrilled to accept one if it was given to me cuz they do look incredible. and those are just treated with another natural substance like gold or another metal or mineral atop them right? I don't know I guess it's just better if man stops trying to mess with nature. We've already got plastic covering almost everything and yeah it can make some lovely looking objects.. funny it actually comes from oil for the mostpart.

Sorry for rambling on. I guess the main point is that nature creates the most stunning specimens all on its own. and I can understand that it's tempting to not use our manmade ability to further 'beautify' something, especially with heat treating stones because apparently that is far more common than we realize.. but the radiation that's manmade is far different than the radiation that comes from the Sun or the far infrared from tourmaline for example. a part of the crystal's soul and natural radiance becomes tampered with and covered up. but I gotta say I wouldn't go as far as Crystal canuck to call adulterated stones filth or useless trinkets..

One time I was doing this EFT healing technique while I was on a journey outside at night, and a lot of cool synchronicities happened, which one of them was me arriving at an outdoor area of flowers by a closed store, and I realized that just because these flowers were sprayed with poison by the stupid companies trying to sell them, it doesn't mean they are tainted or should be thrown away or anything.. just like people, which was my main concern cuz I was very preoccupied learning about human healing and illness then and got so mad when people hurt themselves by consuming or using toxic things.. Surely the shop purveyors didn't mean to kill their own product of flowers and plants by poisoning them.. they should want them to thrive and live long lives so they can sell them without having to discard or discount them.. and surely these poor flowers and plants did nothing wrong deserving to be treated with poisons (like those blue or green pellets and whatever toxic stuff they spray on them etc.) and even if they had done it to themselves like the mass of the misguided population, we still have to see them for their true selves and perfect part of nature and divinity at the core.. we can't just throw these things away even if they are poisoned and dying.. they still deserve love, and as much life as possible.. Anyways, there isn't much we can do about such things in one instant or on our own, I hope to help create a world where we move past such detrimental poisonous practices.. but for the timebeing, we still have to have compassion and love for the things that are here no matter what state they are in. So it's a conundrum for me lol I want to just reject crystals that have been contaminated, but it's not their fault, and I may never try to purposely acquire them or will give away ones that I already possess (they're stored away, I separated a lot of them already though) but I couldn't in good conscience despise or disown them as unworthy in essence, because at least to some degree they still are what they once were, and again it's not their fault..

Bubbles 12-03-2019 10:23 AM

I myself am a member of the Citrine Police patrol as well.

What do you thing about the fact that Judy Hall's Crystal Bible talks about Citrine and shows pictures of heated amethyst? Out of all the people, shouldn't she know better?

Crystal canuck 12-03-2019 03:21 PM

Good point Sgt. Bubbles ! She should know better. I know a lot of people love Judy, and I won't say anything bad about her, but just to throw it out there....

What makes her the final say in crystal energies ? Doesn't she just re-hash information that was readily available in other books and listings ? For example, she quotes amethyst as a healing stone and rose quartz as a love stone. We all know that and accept that, however the Chinese discovered those facts a couple thousand years before she was born. So basically she doesn't discover anything just write it down in one book from stuff she read elsewhere. Is it possible she just markets a bunch of info in a book for us to spend our $$$ on ? What makes her the crystal prophet ?

Hey Sapphirez ! I realize my words are a little strong, which is why I started with an apology, but don't you think all this imitations and fakes is kinda sad ? I mean, where does it end, is it fine to give diamond imitations for a wedding ring ? I mean, if it looks similar, no difference right ? Of course it is. For the record I agree with your whole post. Man made crystals can be quite beautiful, but I think it's cheating.

crystalqueen 12-03-2019 04:09 PM

Im curious what all of you think of aura quartz. I personally own two pieces, and both are clear quartz none of that dyed stuff. I love the angel aura tower I have, and I highly dislike dyed pieces so I think there must have been a reason I got it. I am exreemely picky when I buy crystals, and I rarely pick based on physical appearence.

Bubbles 12-03-2019 08:13 PM

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Good point Sgt. Bubbles !


lol

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What makes her the final say in crystal energies ? Doesn't she just rehash


ah yes, I didn't meant to say that she is a leader figure of anything. was just saying that she is a known name among crystal lovers, and as a 'voice' via her book... so she should know better when speaking to general public.

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I won't say anything bad about her


I read on this forum some old posts some people know her personally and said she swears and curses like no other man :D lol. I don't know why they are surprised, she is a crystal enthusiast, not an empath. Maybe she might be sensible to crystal energy as well, but that doesn't mean everybody is perfect lol.

Eyov va Lupe 14-03-2019 12:03 AM

If you heat a crystal, it makes the energy inside go crazy. Btw, if you freeze them, it does the opposite. BD

Crystal canuck 14-03-2019 12:27 AM

Hi Bubbles ! Thanks for the response. I am sorry if I implied that you yourself put Judy on a pedestal for worship, I just meant that her name gets thrown around a lot, and thought this curious as to the general perception by many for her to be some kind of oracle.

And again, I would like to tread lightly on saying anything against her, as I don't know her personally and I'm sure she knows a lot about crystals...as she would if it's her job to make money off them.

Just seems to me that most of her info can be found in other, older texts. I find it crazy that the Chinese have written about this stuff for millennia but nobody ( well, some including me ) are searching for original documentation on their texts. Fascinating stuff really. Some would say the Chinese taught the world how to use crystals.

Bubbles 14-03-2019 04:43 PM

@Crystal canuck I agree, I think we need to go back scouting for old literature, besides intuition. Besides rehashed info from one another and added some extra little details based on other's personal intuition.

@Eyov va Lupe This is very true. I remember I feel my Garnet really powerful on many areas when is summer and it recharges itself under the hot sun for a few minutes.

Lynn 17-03-2019 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by crystal queen
Im curious what all of you think of aura quartz. I personally own two pieces, and both are clear quartz none of that dyed stuff. I love the angel aura tower I have, and I highly dislike dyed pieces so I think there must have been a reason I got it. I am extremely picky when I buy crystals, and I rarely pick based on physical appearance.



Hello

I thought I would put a bit about what Aura Quartz is here so that others know how it comes to be. I personally have some in jewelry but I do not think I have wore it at all.

It is said to have healing powers and properties. I know that quartz has a great value in its raw form or made into a generator I have some that are amazing. I do not think that as a Reiki Master I could ever use something man created or altered on someone.


What is Angel Aura Quartz?

Angel Aura Quartz Crystal is a high vibration stone created from the result of a special process involving platinum and silver. The resulting Angel Aura Quartz Crystals exhibit brilliant, dazzling flashes of iridescent rainbow colors on silvery surfaces. At first, the quartz crystals are heated to a extremely high temperature then vacuum coated with fine vaporized precious metals. The result is that these metals bonded to the crystal’s surface creating the angelic rainbow sheen that is a hallmark of Angel Aura Quartz. The resulting crystals exhibit brilliant, dazzling flashes of iridescent rainbow colors on silvery surfaces.


Lynn

AngelRain 07-05-2019 01:36 PM

I love the aura quartz family. They're all technically man made although their original form is just clear quartz. I find them to be just as healing as other crystals. i work specifically with the faery and angelic realm, so that may be why I've had such positive experiences with them?

FairyCrystal 07-05-2019 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubbles
I myself am a member of the Citrine Police patrol as well.

What do you thing about the fact that Judy Hall's Crystal Bible talks about Citrine and shows pictures of heated amethyst? Out of all the people, shouldn't she know better?

Why? Because heat-treated amethyst IS citrine.
The heat-treated version has the qualities that people seek in citrine. Natural citrine has entirely different qualities and is not what most people are looking for.
Fact it has been heat-treated doesn't mean it isn't powerful.

FairyCrystal 07-05-2019 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelRain
I love the aura quartz family. They're all technically man made although their original form is just clear quartz. I find them to be just as healing as other crystals. i work specifically with the faery and angelic realm, so that may be why I've had such positive experiences with them?

I bought an Angel Aura quartz not too long ago. It's an Arkansas crystal that's been treated. I like Arkansas crystals, the newer ones especially.
I also love rainbow colours, especially if they're more pastel rainbow. So beautiful! It's a really nice crystal!

Sylmar 08-05-2019 07:42 PM

I try to stay away from them with the exception of some Aura quartzes. I really do dislike using Titanium though, feels like the crystals are smothered using it.

Native spirit 08-05-2019 08:25 PM

I only use or collect crystal that feel ok when I hold it.you can tell by the vibration it gives off if its good for you


Namaste

edithaint 09-05-2019 03:30 AM

I have mixed feelings about this.

On one hand, man is a product of nature. Everything artificial, manmade, synthetic, etc is still ultimately of natural origin. This includes dyes and plastics. If I remember correctly, amber and pine resin are considered natural plastic, as is the keratin in our hair. Petroleum products are simply the remains of long-dead lifeforms.

On the other hand, I still prefer to use relatively unprocessed products. Willow over aspirin, paraffin over nylon, wood stove over electric stove, etc. These are just my own personal choices. While both humans and crystals may enjoy being dyed outrageous colors, I don't know how I feel about forcing such changes against the will of normal geologic process. The issue could be compared to circumcising infants or neutering dogs without their consent. I won't turn down a dyed or heat-treated crystal that appeals to me, and I don't believe their energy is destroyed by these treatments, only changed. But these practices may indeed be worth questioning.

My collection consists mostly of quartz and lava rock. There are also a few dyed marbles, painted pebbles, and other assorted oddities mixed in with the smoky scoria and fiery feldspar. Good bit of metal too.

Crystal canuck 12-05-2019 03:00 PM

Interesting thought process, I get where you are coming from, but just because the components are of natural origin, does not make it natural. With this line of reasoning, everything on earth is natural. Pesticides, mustard gas, and nuclear weapons.

Also, since human acts require no outside influence other than what is on earth, does that mean all acts humans preform are also natural ? Hurting myself or others is natural ?

edithaint 12-05-2019 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal canuck
Interesting thought process, I get where you are coming from, but just because the components are of natural origin, does not make it natural. With this line of reasoning, everything on earth is natural. Pesticides, mustard gas, and nuclear weapons.

Also, since human acts require no outside influence other than what is on earth, does that mean all acts humans preform are also natural ? Hurting myself or others is natural ?


Yes indeed.

Crystal canuck 12-05-2019 07:50 PM

I have had similar thoughts before to what you say, I just like playing devil's advocate. It's good exercise for the mind.

I like quartz too. It was my first love. Quartz is way cool because it's not extremely expensive like some stones ( tourmaline, opal etc... ) but it's very pretty and comes in many types and colors. Clear, white, red, pink ( rose quartz and pink quartz are actually different ), yellow, purple ( amethyst ), phantom green, black, and smokey. Oh and citrine is a type of quartz too. I have large specimens of them all except for white. To me white quartz is sort of like low quality clear quartz, never really was interested in that one, but of course everyone has a different opinion and different interests.

If you like quartz you might also like fluorite. Fluorite was one I got into right after my fascination with quartz. Fluorite can also be reasonably priced, and is extremely colorful. One of my favorite stones.

Lava rock ? Interesting. Is it formed like a crystal ? Would love to see a picture of it sometime. :smile:

Feldspar can be quite amazing. I have a labradorite which I love. Is the fiery feldspar have a play of color ? I would love to see this sometime as well.

edithaint 13-05-2019 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal canuck
I have had similar thoughts before to what you say, I just like playing devil's advocate. It's good exercise for the mind.

I like quartz too. It was my first love. Quartz is way cool because it's not extremely expensive like some stones ( tourmaline, opal etc... ) but it's very pretty and comes in many types and colors. Clear, white, red, pink ( rose quartz and pink quartz are actually different ), yellow, purple ( amethyst ), phantom green, black, and smokey. Oh and citrine is a type of quartz too. I have large specimens of them all except for white. To me white quartz is sort of like low quality clear quartz, never really was interested in that one, but of course everyone has a different opinion and different interests.

If you like quartz you might also like fluorite. Fluorite was one I got into right after my fascination with quartz. Fluorite can also be reasonably priced, and is extremely colorful. One of my favorite stones.

Lava rock ? Interesting. Is it formed like a crystal ? Would love to see a picture of it sometime. :smile:

Feldspar can be quite amazing. I have a labradorite which I love. Is the fiery feldspar have a play of color ? I would love to see this sometime as well.


Fluorite - Also one of my favorites. Especially the ones that glow in the blacklight, since that's the primary light source here in my husband's bedroom. I'd like to find a pair of fluorite, approximately the same size, to use for eyes in the skull atop my castor staff. The "Master Castor Blaster" as I like to call it.

Lava rock - Eh, I wouldn't call it a "crystal" in the usual sense of the world. But I'm pretty sure it has a crystalline structure, like on a molecular level. I'll post pictures when I can.

Feldspar - Haha no, no play of color. Not THAT kind of fiery. Just a nice matte swirl of white, pink, red, and orange. Kinda like the lava from which it came, but more girly and pastel. This type of rock is quite common around where I live.

Crystal canuck 14-05-2019 04:48 AM

Fluorite eyes would be awesome. I think green fluorite would look really cool, and it's relatively inexpensive. Blue fluorite as well but it's slightly more rare and expensive, but still not bad price in the grand scheme of things.:smile:

edithaint 14-05-2019 02:29 PM

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Fluorite eyes would be awesome. I think green fluorite would look really cool, and it's relatively inexpensive. Blue fluorite as well but it's slightly more rare and expensive, but still not bad price in the grand scheme of things.:smile:


Hrm, I haven't really thought of the color....Mainly just the glow. I want the eyes to look "radioactive" in the blacklight, which would go perfectly with the potentially deadly castor wood. I think I actually got mild ricin poisoning from inhaling the sawdust while I was sanding the staff....But I won't know how big of crystals I'll need until I get the skull, and I won't know what kind of skull until I find it.

SapphireBlue 22-05-2019 09:09 AM

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Why? Because heat-treated amethyst IS citrine.
The heat-treated version has the qualities that people seek in citrine. Natural citrine has entirely different qualities and is not what most people are looking for.
Fact it has been heat-treated doesn't mean it isn't powerful.


This must be why I chose a couple of raw citrine pieces at a Crystal shop recently. They looked "baked" but I was drawn to them.

Sylmar 15-06-2019 09:58 AM

I was given a lot of hydrothermal gems as a gift recently. Basically they are gems but they are labgrown. They are made of the same material though as in nature and the growth methods are replicated. Instead of growing over millions of years they grow in months under immense heat and pressure in tubes.

Personally I would never have bought them but as a present I welcomed them in my collection. They are so shiny and sparkly!
I can see why a lot of people will be put off by them and I doubt they'll have any metaphysical value although some books mention Syberian Blue Quartz which is also labgrown. Another thing is that by growing gems this way nature doesn't get disrupted as no mining is needed. That is a good thing.

I think I'll need some more time with them to think about thow I feel about hydrothermals. They sure are pretty, photos don't do them justice at all.


BigJohn 03-07-2019 05:08 AM

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Hello

Citrine is a great example. We had one in the store that was expensive over $400 on the tag but you could tell it had been "heat treated" and it got finger lifted and posted for re sale. No one on site bit at buying it pointing out to this one that it was "fake" and so not worth that price. LOL their loss. Thought they would make a quick buck and Karma bit.


I have to laugh at the stuff that comes in that does not sell and sits there, that has a huge price tag on it, as buyers are getting more educated on what is real and what is fake and learning that natural is better.

The amethyst tower I got at a retail store might have been slightly heat treated but not to the point its BRIGHT blinding purple. It feels amazing so I know there is life in it.

Lynn



Most Citrine is really heat treated Amethyst. Most people can not afford real Citrine. Remember Citrine and Amethyst are both Quartzs.

Some of the bright purple Amethyst comes from Paraguay.

Amethyst Towers are purchased wholesale by weight. If you look at the geode, normally you will find the bulk of the weight is the black cement that stabilizes the geode and also provides balance.

BigJohn 03-07-2019 05:12 AM

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I was given a lot of hydrothermal gems as a gift recently. Basically they are gems but they are labgrown. They are made of the same material though as in nature and the growth methods are replicated. Instead of growing over millions of years they grow in months under immense heat and pressure in tubes.

Personally I would never have bought them but as a present I welcomed them in my collection. They are so shiny and sparkly!
I can see why a lot of people will be put off by them and I doubt they'll have any metaphysical value although some books mention Syberian Blue Quartz which is also labgrown. Another thing is that by growing gems this way nature doesn't get disrupted as no mining is needed. That is a good thing.

I think I'll need some more time with them to think about thow I feel about hydrothermals. They sure are pretty, photos don't do them justice at all.




It used to be, people really believed in Alchemy and believed the Alchemist was one of the greatest........

Now people can do and do better what nature can do.......

Sylmar 03-07-2019 11:07 AM

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It used to be, people really believed in Alchemy and believed the Alchemist was one of the greatest........

Now people can do and do better what nature can do.......

Indeed. Our ancestors wouldn't be able to believe what is possible now.

It also makes me think about how we aquire our beloved crystals and stones now. There is no denying that there is great value in the crystals we collect and wear. They are marvels of nature created over millions of years. There is something magical being able to hold them in your hand.

At the same time there are a lot of negatives that we often don't choose to think about. A lot of these crystals and stones are being sold for weapons for war causes. Mining is often done by people (and children at times) who do dangerous work and often get underpaid, not being able to make a decent living while others not facing the dangers walk away with the profits.
Also, it often does unreparable damage to nature.
These are uncomfortable things to think about but they are reality.

It made me look different at 'manmade' gems. I'm not quite sure where I stand on them but I have to admit that they are a more ethical choice in a lot of cases. I think they deserve their place and it will be interesting how people will look at this in the future.

BigJohn 04-07-2019 06:59 AM

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Indeed. Our ancestors wouldn't be able to believe what is possible now.


It made me look different at 'manmade' gems. I'm not quite sure where I stand on them but I have to admit that they are a more ethical choice in a lot of cases. I think they deserve their place and it will be interesting how people will look at this in the future.


I have a couple large pieces of Silicon. Silicon is an Element and is not found by itself.... She is always combined with something else.

Another Element is Oxygen. Oxygen is something we all know about because we need to breath it in to our lungs with each breath to stay alive.

Next try combining these two Elements to produce Quartz.

I can't do it. Who can?

Sylmar 05-07-2019 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn
I have a couple large pieces of Silicon. Silicon is an Element and is not found by itself.... She is always combined with something else.

Another Element is Oxygen. Oxygen is something we all know about because we need to breath it in to our lungs with each breath to stay alive.

Next try combining these two Elements to produce Quartz.

I can't do it. Who can?

Actually there is Siberian Blue Quartz which is made in a lab. The interesting thing is that it also pops up in respected metaphysical books.

BigJohn 05-07-2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sylmar
Actually there is Siberian Blue Quartz which is made in a lab. The interesting thing is that it also pops up in respected metaphysical books.



Lab grown quartz crystals that I have seen, are gorgeous.

Sylmar 06-07-2019 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn
Lab grown quartz crystals that I have seen, are gorgeous.

The hydrothermals that I got as a present are very vibrant in color and very sparkly. I can see why people like them and are attracted to them.


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