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guthrio 10-11-2018 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
It's been said that if you don't know where you come from you don't know where you're going. I have my mother's Spirituality and my father's outlook on Life. He was a no-nonsense farm boy, he was - as they say in Doric - hallyracket, which doesn't translate too well but it roughly means gung ho. I guess I have a hallyracket Spirituality and as I've never been accused of being wise, your repast would be an excellent metaphor for... the flock of starlings/beliefs in my head.


If you relish the screwed up then it means you have come into harmonic alignment with it and acknowledged its existence instead of spending energy trying to banish it. And isn't that an act of Divine Will if you are indeed Spirit?


Greenslade, indeed, I have embraced said relish with gusto. And cherish its meaning by the first Doric word I have ever heard. Thanks for sharing your own enthusiastic embrace of spirituality as a Kindred Spirit. Whether I'm coming or going I'm glad I'm here amongst such friends.....:hug3:

Ziusudra 10-11-2018 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OPVerma
For Ziusudra

We can live our life without education and without spirituality or in other words we can waste our life like a village bum. Those who are classy they would not like to see such a person next to them reaching to the spiritual world automatically, as per your theory. I think all bonafide religions specify certain spiritual practices and code of life for attaining the goal.


Knowing that we are spiritual being is all that is needed.

Reaching into the spiritual world by spending excess amount of time practicing all kinds of 'methods', instead of doing anything productive in this physical world - is a total waste of time and more importantly, absolute waste of your precious incarnation.

It is same as, one does not need to know how inside mother's womb feels like, in order to be a human being.
Once one learns that he/she is from a mother's womb, one needs to grow up and learn how to be a human being. - not regressing to be a fetus in a womb.

The good spiritual human beings who contributed to humanity did not just sit around in their temple/cave/hole in a tree and trying to REACH into their spiritual world.

They were busy with actually DOING and BEING productive to make a difference in human lives all day long (Jesus, Buddha, mother Teresa, missionaries, many historical figures, teachers, writers, etc etc). - Once they realize spirituality.

Too many people submerge themselves into spirituality/its pursue in order to escape the reality of their physical world. - instead of living and thriving in their body and mind in this physical world.

To all here, go out there and do something.
Knowing spirituality means nothing if you do not do something with it, just like any education.

Ziusudra 10-11-2018 05:32 PM

........dup

OPVerma 10-11-2018 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
God made man, man made religion and all of its rules, regulations......



“The temple of the most high begins with the body which houses our life, the essence of our existence. Africans are in bondage today because they approach spirituality through religion provided by foreign invaders and conquerors. We must stop confusing religion and spirituality. Religion is a set of rules, regulations and rituals created by humans, which was suppose to help people grow spiritually. Due to human imperfection religion has become corrupt, political, divisive and a tool for power struggle. Spirituality is not theology or ideology. It is simply a way of life, pure and original as was given by the Most High of Creation. Spirituality is a network linking us to the Most High, the universe, and each other…”
Haile Selassie I

You'd be surprised how much Christ Consciousness "village bums" can have, and how much our words reflect our consciousness.



CHRIST consciousness is at par with Rama consciousness.

For centuries Christians ( it applies to Hindus too ) venerated Christ but they could not place him in their consciousness. Christ teachings are universal. All who follow qualify for entering into the spiritual world. Nevertheless, one would need the knowledge of the route and visa to reach there.

Altair 10-11-2018 07:32 PM

Don't worry.. eventually every soul returns to 'paradise' and it's equally likely every soul will eventually 'fall from grace' again after trillions of years of 'liberation'.. There's likely infinite big bangs and infinite self-realization and falls from grace happening.. over and over and over again.. over the course of trillions of years. If you're on a ''cycle'' you can't claim you can get out of that cycle and not have a cause to be there to begin with. A frightening thought in a sense.. but nobody can convince me there's an 'end'. There's just the cycle ad infinitum. :smile:

Greenslade 11-11-2018 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
You 2 are pretty cute. :wink:

And you're obviously on the same level to resonate with that.

Greenslade 11-11-2018 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by guthrio
Greenslade, indeed, I have embraced said relish with gusto. And cherish its meaning by the first Doric word I have ever heard. Thanks for sharing your own enthusiastic embrace of spirituality as a Kindred Spirit. Whether I'm coming or going I'm glad I'm here amongst such friends.....:hug3:

'Kindred Spirit'. I haven't seen that phrase in what feels like so many Lifetimes ago, Guthrio. I can't help wonder if you've been to the caves and spoken to the beings there but I feel the 'fingerprints' of their energies in you just the same. It had to happen I guess, it was pretty much inevitable.


"You have always been here."
Kosh.

Greenslade 11-11-2018 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OPVerma
CHRIST consciousness is at par with Rama consciousness.

For centuries Christians ( it applies to Hindus too ) venerated Christ but they could not place him in their consciousness. Christ teachings are universal. All who follow qualify for entering into the spiritual world. Nevertheless, one would need the knowledge of the route and visa to reach there.

The concept of Christ Consciousness was taken from the ancient Egyptian Gnostics, and Jesus wasn't Christ he had Christed Consciousness. Very different, and this is why the Christ teachings are Universal. Ramas Conscious would - I suspect because I don't know anything about it being honest - would be on the same level.



But who sets those qualifications? God made man, man made religion so any religious teachings came from man. What you're talking about comes from ego, not from Christ/Rama consciousness. With respect, if you understood Christ Consciousness you'd know that.

Miss Hepburn 11-11-2018 04:09 PM

Christ Consc....same to me as Krishna or Cosmic Consciousness.
Super Consciousness, also! :smile:

running 11-11-2018 04:28 PM

bliss being the movement experinced in the body. silence being the emptyness in the mind. its all the same. krishna, jesus, or whatever consciousness.

the experince predates anybody and everybody we have heard of. written language didn't create the experince. it just made it easier to communicate.

nor has any religion create the experience. only and has ever been ideas from somebody that such things help bring one into that space. if it worked then people belonging to such ideas would often come upon the experince. few and far between irrespective of religion.

proven winners by the numhers. meditation. pranayama. yoga. shaktipat. trance. and a few others. notice how non of which is based upon creating particular programs in the mind.

OPVerma 11-11-2018 05:06 PM

Christ/ Rama / Krishna Counsciousness
 
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Originally Posted by Greenslade
The concept of Christ Consciousness was taken from the ancient Egyptian Gnostics, and Jesus wasn't Christ he had Christed Consciousness. Very different, and this is why the Christ teachings are Universal. Ramas Conscious would - I suspect because I don't know anything about it being honest - would be on the same level.



But who sets those qualifications? God made man, man made religion so any religious teachings came from man. What you're talking about comes from ego, not from Christ/Rama consciousness. With respect, if you understood Christ Consciousness you'd know that.



Consciousness means absorbing the virtues of Christ/ Rama / Krishna in our lives and obeying them. Christ gave the message of love, mercy... Rama truthfulness... Krishna love, duty, devotion... All these are components of 26 virtues that are required for entering into the spiritual world.

These qualifications/ requirements are set by Nature and not by me. Murder, rape, actions causing suffering to other, lead to hellish worlds and not to the spiritual.

Unfortunately, Christians do not like to read Bhagavad Gita otherwise they can see all these subject matter are instructed by God Krishna in several chapters. You have missed to notice the verse no. of BG, I have mentioned in the thread.

winter light 11-11-2018 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Christ Consc....same to me as Krishna or Cosmic Consciousness.
Super Consciousness, also! :smile:


Yea that made me think of "Let The Sunshine In" by The Fifth Dimension
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPK7ZF6jfJE

Groove on that everybody... "You got to feel it!"

OPVerma 11-11-2018 05:33 PM

Christ/ Rama / Krishna Counsciousness
 
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Originally Posted by Greenslade
The concept of Christ Consciousness was taken from the ancient Egyptian Gnostics, and Jesus wasn't Christ he had Christed Consciousness. Very different, and this is why the Christ teachings are Universal. Ramas Conscious would - I suspect because I don't know anything about it being honest - would be on the same level.



But who sets those qualifications? God made man, man made religion so any religious teachings came from man. What you're talking about comes from ego, not from Christ/Rama consciousness. With respect, if you understood Christ Consciousness you'd know that.



Consciousness means absorbing the virtues of Christ/ Rama / Krishna in our lives and obeying them. Christ gave the message of love, mercy... Rama truthfulness... Krishna love, duty, devotion... All these are components of 26 virtues that are required for entering into the spiritual world.

These qualifications/ requirements are set by Nature and not by me. Murder, rape, actions causing suffering to other, lead to hellish worlds and not to the spiritual.

Unfortunately, Christians do not like to read Bhagavad Gita otherwise they can see all these subject matter are instructed by God Krishna in several chapters. You have missed to notice the verse no. of BG, I have mentioned in the thread.

running 11-11-2018 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OPVerma
Consciousness means absorbing the virtues of Christ/ Rama / Krishna in our lives and obeying them. Christ gave the message of love, mercy... Rama truthfulness... Krishna love, duty, devotion... All these are components of 26 virtues that are required for entering into the spiritual world.

These qualifications/ requirements are set by Nature and not by me. Murder, rape, actions causing suffering to other, lead to hellish worlds and not to the spiritual.

Unfortunately, Christians do not like to read Bhagavad Gita otherwise they can see all these subject matter are instructed by God Krishna in several chapters. You have missed to notice the verse no. of BG, I have mentioned in the thread.


spoken like a true sponsor of slavery. with no actual experience or knowledge of what christ consciousness is.

everybody or most people wish and or try to live by the golden rule. there are plenty of reasons already to do such. using the idea of god in the way you are to put a fear in somebody to do as you will them to is a form of slavery. thus far you have mentioned nothing that would lead me to believe of having any such experience.

lomax 11-11-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
The concept of Christ Consciousness was taken from the ancient Egyptian Gnostics, and Jesus wasn't Christ he had Christed Consciousness. Very different, and this is why the Christ teachings are Universal. Ramas Conscious would - I suspect because I don't know anything about it being honest - would be on the same level.



But who sets those qualifications? God made man, man made religion so any religious teachings came from man. What you're talking about comes from ego, not from Christ/Rama consciousness. With respect, if you understood Christ Consciousness you'd know that.

Good point greenslade.It matches with what i've read about christ.i believe jesus and christ were not the same person.Also christ's teachings are all faulse.
Priests of that time ensured (once again) to hide the real teachings,in order to keep the power for themselves.
Everything we know is writen by humans,and we all know what a human being can do in order to gain power and authority over others.

Altair 11-11-2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lomax
Good point greenslade.It matches with what i've read about christ.i believe jesus and christ were not the same person.Also christ's teachings are all faulse.
Priests of that time ensured (once again) to hide the real teachings,in order to keep the power for themselves.
Everything we know is writen by humans,and we all know what a human being can do in order to gain power and authority over others.

It's not all deliberate or necessarily malevolent. People were writing down what they thought Jesus said and did. The Gospels were written decades after Jesus lived and they were written down by people who weren't even there, and even if they were, what do you think would happen..? They would write down their interpretation of the events..

lomax 11-11-2018 06:46 PM

I'm not bite that bait about women being unclean and inferior from man.
All these stupid beliefs shoul be alarm us all.

This is not christ's teachings.It's purely church's manipulation.They should pay for what they did to humanity.

lomax 11-11-2018 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Altair
It's not all deliberate or necessarily malevolent. People were writing down what they thought Jesus said and did. The Gospels were written decades after Jesus lived and they were written down by people who weren't even there, and even if they were, what do you think would happen..? They would write down their interpretation of the events..

Yes.
Also don't forget that people in christ's time might not be able to write.
As you said everything was written,a long after the real events took place.

lomax 11-11-2018 07:01 PM

And the fall of adam and eve because they had sex?
Sorry but it seems to childish for me to accept it.

Pope gregory made sure that the library of palatine destroyed completely.They burned all the original manuscripts.

Also there was a convention at Constantinople in the Year 60.
They decided what to expose and what not.

Seems like we're fooled big time.

Greenslade 13-11-2018 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OPVerma
Consciousness means absorbing the virtues of Christ/ Rama / Krishna in our lives and obeying them. Christ gave the message of love, mercy... Rama truthfulness... Krishna love, duty, devotion... All these are components of 26 virtues that are required for entering into the spiritual world.

These qualifications/ requirements are set by Nature and not by me. Murder, rape, actions causing suffering to other, lead to hellish worlds and not to the spiritual.

Unfortunately, Christians do not like to read Bhagavad Gita otherwise they can see all these subject matter are instructed by God Krishna in several chapters. You have missed to notice the verse no. of BG, I have mentioned in the thread.

Where is the Love and mercy for the village bums, when you would exclude them?

Greenslade 13-11-2018 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lomax
Good point greenslade.It matches with what i've read about christ.i believe jesus and christ were not the same person.Also christ's teachings are all faulse.
Priests of that time ensured (once again) to hide the real teachings,in order to keep the power for themselves.
Everything we know is writen by humans,and we all know what a human being can do in order to gain power and authority over others.

Thank you, Lomax.

I'm not going to offer up any truths here because I think those have been totally lost in the sands of time. Christianity had a penchant for co-opting the beliefs of other religions and at the time there was political leverage of having an all-powerful God - who they co-opted from Zoroaster. As I understand it there was also rivalry going on with a number of other prophets, including Muhammed. Having a prophet who was the Son of the all-powerful sky-daddy who wasn't just imbued with Christed Consciousness but was Christ......

Regardless of whether Christ existed or not or what he was or wasn't, personally I think the message is far more important than the messenger. Jesus' messages make sense in the right context - in the context of Christianity and society as it was at that time.Jesus went AWOL for sixteen years and apparently he spent time with Hindus, Buddhists, Druids to name but a few. If you spend a little time getting behind the words, what Jesus was teaching wasn't that far away from what Buddha and a few others also taught. Jesus said that his father was in heaven, and even as an atheist I can connect to that. Much of what he said wasn't Christian (God without) at all but Gnostic (God within) - which is in alignment with what some of the other main religions teach. Jesus' teachings aren't false, they just need interpreting. His teachings were 'moulded' to suit the politics of the Bible, but at the same time I firmly believe that there were those that would have tried to preserve the original teachings as much as possible. If you look carefully you can pick up hints that there is wisdom deliberately hidden in the Bible.

Much of what religion has become is a control mechanism for the elite - God made man, man made religion and religion made God.

Greenslade 13-11-2018 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lomax
And the fall of adam and eve because they had sex?
Sorry but it seems to childish for me to accept it.

Pope gregory made sure that the library of palatine destroyed completely.They burned all the original manuscripts.

Also there was a convention at Constantinople in the Year 60.
They decided what to expose and what not.

Seems like we're fooled big time.

Adam and Eve were thrown out because they disobeyed God and ate of the tree of knowledge - or at least that's how the story goes. Adam was the Sumerian 'Adamu' or fist man, a hominid/Annunali hybrid and regardless of whether or not you believe in aliens, the story (and the rest of Genesis and the bulk of the Old Testament) is based on the Sumerian Enuma Elish. There's a lot of controversy as to where the names originated but both Yahweh and Satan pre-date Christianity b y at least hundreds of years. Some say that Enlil was Yaweh and that Enki was Satam - both are supposed to be Sumerian titles and the Old Testament carries on the same theme. If you really want to understand Genesis or the Old Testament - including the flood - then it's worth having a read through Sumerian mythology.


Just out of interest, the Mayan Popul Vuh agrees with the Sumerians in the creation of man and in the flood.

Greenslade 13-11-2018 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Christ Consc....same to me as Krishna or Cosmic Consciousness.
Super Consciousness, also! :smile:

And a few other terms, but yes.
Tolle talks about what he calls space consciousness and object consciousness. He defines object consciousness as anything to do with the brain such as beliefs, knowledge, reasoning, thinking and understandings gained by the processing of those. Anything that is form so generally that's anything related to the brain/mind. He doesn't expand much on space consciousness other than it's beyond/above space consciousness. but I'm guessing he means Gnosis.

guthrio 15-11-2018 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
'Kindred Spirit'. I haven't seen that phrase in what feels like so many Lifetimes ago, Guthrio. I can't help wonder if you've been to the caves and spoken to the beings there but I feel the 'fingerprints' of their energies in you just the same. It had to happen I guess, it was pretty much inevitable.


"You have always been here."
Kosh.


....no caves (that I remember), Greenslade, just vibes. That's always how one recognizes the resonance of Kindred Spirits.

Looked up "Kosh" in Wikipedia. Babylon 5 sounds like my kind of Sci Fi.

Greenslade 15-11-2018 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by guthrio
....no caves (that I remember), Greenslade, just vibes. That's always how one recognizes the resonance of Kindred Spirits.

Looked up "Kosh" in Wikipedia. Babylon 5 sounds like my kind of Sci Fi.

I know you have 'the vibe', Guthrio, that much is very obvious. What I wasn't sure abut is how much of it you have but that's only my own curiosity, that you have it at all is enough. There are a few people coming into my radar lately hat have it.


You haven't seen Babylon 5??? There's definitely something missing from your education. :hug3: It never attracted the budget nor the following that Star Trek did but in many ways the stories were far better because there always seemed to be long-running threads weaving themselves through. Kosh was one of the more intriguing characters, his race was deeply Spiritual. One of his moments - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jli3ruqWYlc

Miss Hepburn 15-11-2018 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
...Kosh was one of the more intriguing characters, his race was deeply Spiritual.
One of his moments - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jli3ruqWYlc

'Cool' friends told me a long time ago I should watch B-5....I
watched the 'Kosh revealed' youtube...I will watch the 10 best
arc stories with the best of the 5 episodes...to see what you mean.
Comments left are very impassioned. :smile:

Miss Hepburn 15-11-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Christ Consc....same to me as Krishna or Cosmic Consciousness.
Super Consciousness, also! :smile:

Reading some amazing things online...I came across Quantum Consciousness.
Ha! Excellent.:hug3:

Shivani Devi 15-11-2018 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Reading some amazing things online...I came across Quantum Consciousness.
Ha! Excellent.:hug3:

Welcome to the initiation ceremony. :biggrin: :hug3:

I spent all last week with Stephen Wolinsky on YouTube. He is a disciple of Nisargadatta Maharaj and Stephen Wolinsky wrote a non-dual treatise on A Course In Miracles, however I spent most of my time listening to his audiobook called "Waking From the Trance" and I was amazed by this video on non duality from a S&ND interview.

https://youtu.be/bkIKXgiKvCM

I totally loved this, because my head was just nodding all the way through it...

He basically said there is no "I" in "I am that" because by the time a "non dual state" has been attained, there is no longer any "I" that can have the experience of it...and "I" have been saying exactly the same thing for years now... I was going to post something about this in the non-duality forum...thought better of it...

Welcome to Quantum Consciousness, Miss H.

Greenslade 16-11-2018 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
'Cool' friends told me a long time ago I should watch B-5....I
watched the 'Kosh revealed' youtube...I will watch the 10 best
arc stories with the best of the 5 episodes...to see what you mean.
Comments left are very impassioned. :smile:

You haven't seen B5?? Tsk tsk lol. The Vorlans are portrayed as mysterious, all-powerful beings that have embedded themselves in the collective subconscious minds of pretty much all of the alien and human species. In one episode Kosh comes out of his encounter suit and all the races see their versions of an angel. Later on it becomes Nietzschian in that they throw the Vorlons out of the galaxy.


Can't help but wonder how humanity would do if there was no heaven after all.


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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Reading some amazing things online...I came across Quantum Consciousness.
Ha! Excellent.:hug3:

According to Penrose (you've probably come across his name - and Hamerof, our brains are already physically quantum-capable. There are microtubules in the brain that are 'quantum ready' that are shielded from the rest of the elctro-activity that goes on in the brain. So the next time you have a senior moment, blame it on the entanglement with the field of probability. If God is the probability field then Jesus has just been proved right by modern science.

guthrio 17-11-2018 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
I know you have 'the vibe', Guthrio, that much is very obvious. What I wasn't sure abut is how much of it you have but that's only my own curiosity, that you have it at all is enough. There are a few people coming into my radar lately hat have it.


You haven't seen Babylon 5??? There's definitely something missing from your education. :hug3: It never attracted the budget nor the following that Star Trek did but in many ways the stories were far better because there always seemed to be long-running threads weaving themselves through. Kosh was one of the more intriguing characters, his race was deeply Spiritual. One of his moments - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jli3ruqWYlc


Hi Greenslade,

Thanks for sharing the Kosh youtube segment. While thinking about what I viewed, I was struck by the similarities in the dependence on technology by the human participants in Sci Fi series you mentioned, Star Trek and Babylon 5, not to mention Star Wars, Stargate Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica, and so many others.

I understand that our present level of Spiritual understanding still requires the use of "technological tools" to depict "future progress" to the present-day audiences who remain so dependent upon it, even while they watch.

It occurred to me that one of the reasons why "aliens" haven't yet landed among us "en mass" is because we would be simply overwhelmed to realize that "They have always been here" (to paraphrase Kosh's phrase in your earlier post). :smile:

....just on a "different" channel, so to speak, of the true simultaneity that is Infinite Consciousness, that some scientists are calling "Quantum Consciousness" and some religious texts have called "Many Mansions in our Father's House".

To properly greet those ever-present neighbors who are nowhere (now-here) to be found, I'll paraphrase the words of Desi Arnaz, from that excellent "Sci Fi" TV show from the 50's, "I Love Lucy" , ...."Lucy, we've got some catchin' up to do"! :smile:

Compared to the infinite Spiritual Knowledge with which we have all been endowed, but have yet to learn how to properly utilize, I guess we'll have to continue relying on our own limited, earth-bound "alien" technology we've myopically put in its place, until we realize that:

We have always been Who we truly are, awaiting our own remembrance, on Earth, that I AM THAT I AM, as in Heaven.
Guthrio

Hopefully, humanity will someday realize that we've never needed the substitution of "technological advances" or "artificial intelligence" to live our lives or to greet our omnipresent neighbors because like them, "We are the technology" itself. http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...67&postcount=8

"Howdy, neighbors! Long time no see...

Where you been keepin' yourselves? "
:hug3:

guthrio 18-11-2018 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Christ Consc....same to me as Krishna or Cosmic Consciousness.
Super Consciousness, also!


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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Reading some amazing things online...I came across Quantum Consciousness.
Ha! Excellent.:hug3:


Miss Hepburn,

....so cool to experience this metaphor of you responding to your earlier post about Quantum Consciousness.

....depicting how the eternal interplay of Infinite Essence with Itself as what Creation actually is

....seen through the eyes of another part of the Infinite Essence (i.e. (get it)? ME) telling US about it! :hug:

Greenslade 18-11-2018 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by guthrio
Hi Greenslade,

Thanks for sharing the Kosh youtube segment. While thinking about what I viewed, I was struck by the similarities in the dependence on technology by the human participants in Sci Fi series you mentioned, Star Trek and Babylon 5, not to mention Star Wars, Stargate Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica, and so many others.

I understand that our present level of Spiritual understanding still requires the use of "technological tools" to depict "future progress" to the present-day audiences who remain so dependent upon it, even while they watch.

It occurred to me that one of the reasons why "aliens" haven't yet landed among us "en mass" is because we would be simply overwhelmed to realize that "They have always been here" (to paraphrase Kosh's phrase in your earlier post). :smile:

Hey there Guthrio

You're very welcome. For me, that Kosh segment is a reminder that beauty can be found on the most unusual places, if we'd care to find it and experience it.

There's something that has never come up that I am aware of. While we revere the ancients - Jesus, Buddha, Krishna et all..... where did their Spirituality come from? I know there are modern-day gurus but they seem to present the information in a more up-to-date context and much of it is a variation on what's come before. Where did Spirituality come from, who first thought up the original source material? Are we so Spiritual that we cant originate our own, or is there nothing left to originate?

Modern Spirituality is an entropic system and nobody has noticed yet.

Every religion was right for that people at that time, and if you look at modern Spirituality that remains true to this day - Spirituality and society and the individual are far more intricately woven than most would choose to believe. In both the print and the web content industry there's the term "target audience," which is basically the profile of the people the material is aimed at. If you read Spiritual books and watch Spiritual YouTubes you're one of the target audience and that is not driven by Spirituality, it's driven by understanding personality types. Exactly that happens with science fiction.


If you were an alien would you come down here? I certainly wouldn't. If you landed in America what would Russia do? And vice versa?

Both Babylon 5 and the Alien franchise explored the same theme of aliens creating humans, probably as an offshoot from the Sumerian Enuma Elish and the Mayan Popul Vuh - and interestingly the Alternative Genesis. If you look at human DNA the strand that's responsible for the frontal cortex of our brains look as though it's been 'bolted on', and Rh-negative blood in conspiracy theory is Annunaki blood. Aliens are deeply embedded into the human collective subconsciousness, but then we're all alien to this planet and dimension anyway. We're too busy creating a narrative that's so far out of alignment that we're moving further and further away from ourselves.

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Originally Posted by guthrio
....just on a "different" channel, so to speak, of the true simultaneity that is Infinite Consciousness, that some scientists are calling "Quantum Consciousness" and some religious texts have called "Many Mansions in our Father's House".

To properly greet those ever-present neighbors who are nowhere (now-here) to be found, I'll paraphrase the words of Desi Arnaz, from that excellent "Sci Fi" TV show from the 50's, "I Love Lucy" , ...."Lucy, we've got some catchin' up to do"! :smile:

Compared to the infinite Spiritual Knowledge with which we have all been endowed, but have yet to learn how to properly utilize, I guess we'll have to continue relying on our own limited, earth-bound "alien" technology we've myopically put in its place, until we realize that:

We have always been Who we truly are, awaiting our own remembrance, on Earth, that I AM THAT I AM, as in Heaven.
Guthrio

We still don't really know the true nature of consciousness. Multi-disciplinary teams have studied it but have come up very short of answers, and some of them have stated that they're not even sure of what the questions are. The only three things that's know for sure is that we have it, it's epiphenomenal and matter is emergent of consciousness, not the other way round. That means Spirituality has it completely backwards, because according to Spirituality consciousness is emergent of matter. Do the Spiritual stuff, read the books, do the YouTubes and you'll become conscious. Even Spirituality will tell you that Spirituality has it backwards, so what are you left with?

Similarly with quantum theory, science is still not sure what that's all about. So if suddenly quantum consciousness - made up of two things we really know very little about - do we really know where we're going? Do we even have a direction? Of course you did know that nothing exists outside of Spirituality, right? :smile: Ore so some people choose to believe.

Just one, single mansion of any importance in my Father's House. And yes, even today's Spirituality has some catching up to do, Desi. We don't have the right to be as technologically advanced as the aliens because we still have vestiges of the hominids both neurologically and subconsciously.

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Hopefully, humanity will someday realize that we've never needed the substitution of "technological advances" or "artificial intelligence" to live our lives or to greet our omnipresent neighbors because like them, "We are the technology" itself. http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...67&postcount=8

"Howdy, neighbors! Long time no see...

Where you been keepin' yourselves? " :hug3:

We are the Ones we have been waiting for. I have read the post and I'm very familiar with the gist of what you're saying here, because I would go down exactly this road. Haramein said that "Spirituality is the science we don't yet understand" and time and time again even the ancient religions are saying the same thing - that we are the technology. I would happily have a rather nice single malt whiskey to salute all you have said in that post.
"Here's tae us.
Wha's like us?
Damned few and they're aw deid."

While we're waiting for the aliens, both we and the aliens are waiting for us. Does it get any crazier?

guthrio 18-11-2018 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
Hey there Guthrio

You're very welcome. For me, that Kosh segment is a reminder that beauty can be found on the most unusual places, if we'd care to find it and experience it.

There's something that has never come up that I am aware of. While we revere the ancients - Jesus, Buddha, Krishna et all..... where did their Spirituality come from? I know there are modern-day gurus but they seem to present the information in a more up-to-date context and much of it is a variation on what's come before. Where did Spirituality come from, who first thought up the original source material? Are we so Spiritual that we cant originate our own, or is there nothing left to originate?

Modern Spirituality is an entropic system and nobody has noticed yet.

Every religion was right for that people at that time, and if you look at modern Spirituality that remains true to this day - Spirituality and society and the individual are far more intricately woven than most would choose to believe. In both the print and the web content industry there's the term "target audience," which is basically the profile of the people the material is aimed at. If you read Spiritual books and watch Spiritual YouTubes you're one of the target audience and that is not driven by Spirituality, it's driven by understanding personality types. Exactly that happens with science fiction.


If you were an alien would you come down here? I certainly wouldn't. If you landed in America what would Russia do? And vice versa?

Both Babylon 5 and the Alien franchise explored the same theme of aliens creating humans, probably as an offshoot from the Sumerian Enuma Elish and the Mayan Popul Vuh - and interestingly the Alternative Genesis. If you look at human DNA the strand that's responsible for the frontal cortex of our brains look as though it's been 'bolted on', and Rh-negative blood in conspiracy theory is Annunaki blood. Aliens are deeply embedded into the human collective subconsciousness, but then we're all alien to this planet and dimension anyway. We're too busy creating a narrative that's so far out of alignment that we're moving further and further away from ourselves.

We still don't really know the true nature of consciousness. Multi-disciplinary teams have studied it but have come up very short of answers, and some of them have stated that they're not even sure of what the questions are. The only three things that's know for sure is that we have it, it's epiphenomenal and matter is emergent of consciousness, not the other way round. That means Spirituality has it completely backwards, because according to Spirituality consciousness is emergent of matter. Do the Spiritual stuff, read the books, do the YouTubes and you'll become conscious. Even Spirituality will tell you that Spirituality has it backwards, so what are you left with?

Similarly with quantum theory, science is still not sure what that's all about. So if suddenly quantum consciousness - made up of two things we really know very little about - do we really know where we're going? Do we even have a direction? Of course you did know that nothing exists outside of Spirituality, right? :smile: Ore so some people choose to believe.

Just one, single mansion of any importance in my Father's House. And yes, even today's Spirituality has some catching up to do, Desi. We don't have the right to be as technologically advanced as the aliens because we still have vestiges of the hominids both neurologically and subconsciously.

We are the Ones we have been waiting for. I have read the post and I'm very familiar with the gist of what you're saying here, because I would go down exactly this road. Haramein said that "Spirituality is the science we don't yet understand" and time and time again even the ancient religions are saying the same thing - that we are the technology.


Greenslade,

Much thanks for your wise, kind words, which have certainly reinforced those "vibes".

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
I would happily have a rather nice single malt whiskey to salute all you have said in that post.
"Here's tae us.
Wha's like us?
Damned few and they're aw deid."

While we're waiting for the aliens, both we and the aliens are waiting for us. Does it get any crazier?


Yep!

....at the FAMILY REUNION!

In this excerpt from the Autobiography of a Yogi, Sri Yukteswar, the guru of author Paramhansa Yogananda, describes the events by which a liberated Soul finally returns to the state of being from whence we ALL have come: "So long as the soul of man is encased in one, two, or three body-containers, sealed tightly with the corks of ignorance and desires, he cannot merge with the sea of Spirit. When the gross physical receptacle is destroyed by the hammer of death, the other two coverings-astral and causal-still remain to prevent the soul from consciously joining the Omnipresent Life. When desirelessness is attained through wisdom, its power disintegrates the two remaining vessels. The tiny human soul emerges, free at last; it is one with the Measureless Amplitude." "When a soul is out of the cocoon of the three bodies it escapes forever from the law of relativity and becomes the ineffable Ever-Existent. Behold the butterfly of Omnipresence, its wings etched with stars and moons and suns! The soul expanded into Spirit remains alone in the region of lightless light, darkless dark, thoughtless thought, intoxicated with its ecstasy of joy in God's dream of cosmic creation." Sri Yukteswar goes on to say, "When a soul finally gets out of the three jars of bodily delusions, it becomes one with the Infinite without any loss of individuality. Christ had won this final freedom even before he was born as Jesus. In three stages of his past, symbolized in his earth-life as the three days of his experience of death and resurrection, he had attained the power to fully arise in Spirit." http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chapter-43/

....at which time we, too, will re-discover that "We have always been here"....eternally alive and well.

And at which time I would happily have a rather nice single malt whiskey to salute all you have said, as well.

"Here's tae us all"! :occasion14:

Greenslade 26-11-2018 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by guthrio
Greenslade,

Much thanks for your wise, kind words, which have certainly reinforced those "vibes".

You're very welcome as always, Guthrio



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Originally Posted by guthrio
Yep!

....at the FAMILY REUNION!

In this excerpt from the Autobiography of a Yogi, Sri Yukteswar, the guru of author Paramhansa Yogananda, describes the events by which a liberated Soul finally returns to the state of being from whence we ALL have come: "So long as the soul of man is encased in one, two, or three body-containers, sealed tightly with the corks of ignorance and desires, he cannot merge with the sea of Spirit. When the gross physical receptacle is destroyed by the hammer of death, the other two coverings-astral and causal-still remain to prevent the soul from consciously joining the Omnipresent Life. When desirelessness is attained through wisdom, its power disintegrates the two remaining vessels. The tiny human soul emerges, free at last; it is one with the Measureless Amplitude." "When a soul is out of the cocoon of the three bodies it escapes forever from the law of relativity and becomes the ineffable Ever-Existent. Behold the butterfly of Omnipresence, its wings etched with stars and moons and suns! The soul expanded into Spirit remains alone in the region of lightless light, darkless dark, thoughtless thought, intoxicated with its ecstasy of joy in God's dream of cosmic creation." Sri Yukteswar goes on to say, "When a soul finally gets out of the three jars of bodily delusions, it becomes one with the Infinite without any loss of individuality. Christ had won this final freedom even before he was born as Jesus. In three stages of his past, symbolized in his earth-life as the three days of his experience of death and resurrection, he had attained the power to fully arise in Spirit." http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chapter-43/

....at which time we, too, will re-discover that "We have always been here"....eternally alive and well.

And at which time I would happily have a rather nice single malt whiskey to salute all you have said, as well.

"Here's tae us all"! :occasion14:

This is certainly poignant at this time of year especially, and because of certain recent events. There's nothing like a real threat to your mortality to set your mind on a very different Path.


There is a tiny cabin in the Forests of the West, Guthrio, and you know where it is. I'll be waiting there for you, and the others.


"Ahlay ahlayah shalosa, adde anonis."

guthrio 28-11-2018 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
You're very welcome as always, Guthrio



This is certainly poignant at this time of year especially, and because of certain recent events. There's nothing like a real threat to your mortality to set your mind on a very different Path.


There is a tiny cabin in the Forests of the West, Guthrio, and you know where it is. I'll be waiting there for you, and the others.


"Ahlay ahlayah shalosa, adde anonis."


Greenslade,

This post is one you'll have to explain to me....way outta my understanding.

Greenslade 28-11-2018 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by guthrio
Greenslade,

This post is one you'll have to explain to me....way outta my understanding.

It would take quite a long story to explain, Guthrio, but this was quite the synchronicity to say the least. Rather than give you a long narrative of personal history, let's just say it has special meaning for me right now.


The Forests of the West comes from a long-forgotten meme re-remembered. It's something that exists inside and is remembered fondly by a certain group of people, it's not an actual place but.... I suppose heaven of a kind. It's a meeting place that we all hold in our hearts even after it has faded from everyday memory, and when all of our times are over we vowed to meet there, the vow made in a time before time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSk9jWf27ic


"Ahlay ahlayah shalosa, adde anonis." It comes from an ancient tongue and was given to me many years ago. The closest translation is "Watch and understand young one, your time will come."


The understanding comes from allowing yourself to be touched.

guthrio 28-11-2018 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
It would take quite a long story to explain, Guthrio, but this was quite the synchronicity to say the least. Rather than give you a long narrative of personal history, let's just say it has special meaning for me right now.


The Forests of the West comes from a long-forgotten meme re-remembered. It's something that exists inside and is remembered fondly by a certain group of people, it's not an actual place but.... I suppose heaven of a kind. It's a meeting place that we all hold in our hearts even after it has faded from everyday memory, and when all of our times are over we vowed to meet there, the vow made in a time before time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSk9jWf27ic


"Ahlay ahlayah shalosa, adde anonis." It comes from an ancient tongue and was given to me many years ago. The closest translation is "Watch and understand young one, your time will come."


The understanding comes from allowing yourself to be touched.



.................

guthrio 28-11-2018 02:58 PM

........no words!

Greenslade 01-12-2018 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by guthrio
........no words!

I wonder if Lao Tzu would tell you that you have found the Eternal Tao?

guthrio 01-12-2018 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
I wonder if Lao Tzu would tell you that you have found the Eternal Tao?


Hi Greenslade,

....and break his own quote? "Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.” ― Lao Tzu, Tao Teh Ching

....I doubt it! But he might ask a trick question, "Ah so, Grasshopper! Can you tell me where you lost the Eternal Tao?" Heh, Heh! :tongue:

Some things are so profound they cannot be spoken. As mentioned in the reference:

You have to understand yourself holographically, it is this and that... not this or that. So, you are the part... you are the whole, you are both one and the same, but expressing the whole as a part."

Take Moses, for instance. Experiencing Tao would be like feeling what Moses suddenly understood what God meant when He told Moses Who He is:

I AM THAT I AM AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO OTHER....

There being "no other" than.....the Creator of ALL there is, then Who must WE (and Moses) be ??

The answer to that question can be spoken or even thought about, but ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING it as the "this and that" Truth of YOU....

...cannot be described, only experienced. "And when Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the Testimony in his hands, he was unaware that his face had become radiant from speaking with the LORD." Exodus 34:29.

The profoundness of your video is that it depicts how all "dancers" in Creation are the dance of Creation....wordlessly.

It just occurred to me that Tao is Infinite Consciousness....whose ineffability cannot be captured, either.

....no words.


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