Our Study Suggests Objective Reality Doesn't Exist
 

https://www.realclearscience.com/art..._ 111182.html

"Despite using state-of-the-art quantum technology, it took weeks to collect sufficient data from just six photons to generate enough statistics. But eventually, we succeeded in showing that quantum mechanics might indeed be incompatible with the assumption of objective facts – we violated the inequality."

Interesting...

There are 2 objective realities, the first objective reality is obvious, this reality is the physical universe and all the objects in it. The second objective reality is not so obvious and this reality is not so obvious because in order for you to percieve this reality, you have to be free from duality, meaning free from all emotions, feelings and beliefs.

Come back to us when you finally discover the Afterlife.
mike..........Good answer.:smile:

Sat
 

No you don’t, love created the seen universe. If you want to experience true reality, then experience love, see truth in everyone everything everywhere.

What do you mean by love and by the seen reality (all realities are seen)? Unconditional Love (unconditional love is non-duality) created both objective realities. Conditional love on the other hand creates the subjective reality that depends on a person's fears, emotions, feelings and beliefs. Conditional love creates duality and is based on, I love/like this or that or I hate/dislike this or that. Reality is either based on non-duality/unconditional love or duality/conditional love.

You keep stating that but it's not the technical view represented by non-duality. There are many objects and only one subject. Stripping away objective reality does not reveal another objective reality but the One Subject. That Subject cannot be named or described. It just is and with no limit in form, space and time. Formless. Boundless. Timeless. Indescribable. Vast. Not an object. Objects are limited by form, space and time. That's non-duality vs. duality.

Furthermore it's impossible for the physical body-mind to be free from emotions, feelings and beliefs. Enlightenment is realizing the true Self is not that but the source (cause) of all those objects (effects), and a reorientation from identification with the small self (body-mind) to the true Self (awareness). Then emotions, feelings, beliefs, whatever experience hold no sorrow for the true Self.

Objectivity is duality. Objective reality is duality. Stripping away one objective reality for another objective reality is replacing one duality with another duality.

EDIT: For a better understanding this is the first of three videos (Realizing Non-Duality parts 1, 2 & 3) by Swami Sarvapriyananda. He's an Advaita Vedantist and they are strict non-dualists. They are in a playlist and will roll over to the next. It'll take 3.5 hours to get through all three.

https://youtu.be/o-RFz56gb9E?list=PL...yrF2rGcUqIb4OF

Swami Sarvapriyananda is now at Vedanta Society of New York and there a lots of his videos here.

https://www.youtube.com/user/vedantany1894/videos

Good accompaniments for his talks are "The Ten Principal Upanishads" and the "Bhagavad Gita". He references them a lot, if not in these talks then in many others.

Lastly this is from the Vedanta Society of California and lays out the four paths to realization & enlightenment.

https://vedanta.org/yoga-spiritual-practice/

Well, Dean Radin is chief scientist at IONS (Institute of Noetic Studies).

https://noetic.org/profile/dean-radin/

"He is author or co-author of hundreds of scientific, technical, and popular articles, four dozen book chapters, and four popular books including the Scientific and Medical Network’s 1997 book award, The Conscious Universe (HarperOne, 1997), Entangled Minds (Simon & Schuster, 2006), a 2014 Silver Nautilus Book Award, Supernormal (Random House, 2013), and Real Magic (Penguin Random House, 2018)."

IONS mission statement:

https://noetic.org/about/

"The mission of the Institute of Noetic Sciences is to reveal the interconnected nature of reality through scientific exploration and personal discovery, creating a more compassionate, thriving, and sustainable world."

IONS origin:

https://noetic.org/about/origins/

and

https://noetic.org/about/noetic-sciences/

"On his way back to Earth after his pioneering moonwalk, Apollo 14 astronaut and IONS founder Dr. Edgar Mitchell had the profound experience of feeling interconnected to everything he was observing from the window of his space capsule: the stars, the moon, our blue planet, and the vastness of the cosmos. He realized quickly that in order to explain such an extraordinary experience (and others like it), there would need to be a rapprochement between the scientific and spiritual interpretations of reality.

As a scientist and visionary, Dr. Mitchell saw a need to reconcile his training as an engineer and astrophysicist with the wisdom of the ages to transcend the limitations of what he saw as an outdated materialist worldview. A new framework would be needed: one that could help explain the unexplainable—and spark transformation."

If you haven't yet figured it out his double-split experiment and the title of the article posits objective reality is not only not what we think of it but is integrally tied to consciousness.

The people who scoff at his work are material reductionists who call his work "woo", so I'm a little confused by your reply.

Just going off the subject: Our Study Suggests Objective Reality Doesn't Exist

I say, Finally! And this is like saying, 'There really is no matter.' :icon_cheers:

"There are many objects and only one subject."
"...objective reality is not only not what we think of it,
but is integrally tied to consciousness."
That's right!! Known this since, I dunno, '73 or 74? I have exp this many times, ha, no drugs! :tongue:

i'm lost,so is there an afterlife or not?

Depends on how one defines afterlife, how one identifies one's self and whether one desires proof outside of experience (non-scientific). :biggrin:

But that wasn't the point of Dean's double-slit experiment. The point was to determine if the measurement problem in QM was tied to conscious observation and not just observation by lab instrumentation. His findings indicate the prior but that still leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Baby steps. No one's going to come up with the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything any time soon, unless it's 42. LOL!