Originally Posted by OPVerma

WE ON SF DISCUSS VARIOUS SUBJECT and hope to reach to the spiritual world by doing so automatically. It is like hoping to become a Harvard professor just by discussion and without any degree and knowledge. For going to the spiritual world we need preparation and fulfill the following requirements.

1. QUALIFICATION ; Besides practicing some standard form of yoga to burn negative karma, one must be a noble and virtuous person like RAMA. Spiritual World is a classy place and village bums are not admitted there.

2. KNOWLEDGE OF THE ROUTE ; Bhagavad Gita describes 8;23-27 Archi route to the spiritual world that requires the knowledge of sun moon and earth's movements and their alignment for reaching to the center of Galaxy and from there to the spiritual world. A diagram and road map is given in the '21st CENTURY BHAGAVAD GITA.

3. ACQUIRING VISA One must regularly pray to the 4Great gods for taking them to the spiritual world and tell family members to utter in ears the mantra given in BG ;7.30 in your ears on the death bed.

This is what one should do for reaching to the spiritual world.

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Originally Posted by OPVerma

This is what one should do for reaching to the spiritual world.

Originally Posted by OPVerma

1. QUALIFICATION ; Besides practicing some standard form of yoga to burn negative karma, one must be a noble and virtuous

Originally Posted by Baile

This is wisdom of the highest order and is indeed #1 on the list. Enlightenment is first and foremost a karmic and human-self evolution journey. For every step on the knowledge path, the spiritual seeker must take three steps on the moral self-development path. There are no so shortcuts here. Moral self-development -- understanding the self and soul -- is key to transforming and releasing karma.

Originally Posted by wstein

There is no 'should' to this adventure.

This *might* be one way to reach the 'Spiritual World' but certainly not the only nor the best way.

To use your analogy about the Harvard professor, how did the first Harvard professors get to be professors if there were no previous Harvard professors?? Who acted as the VISA issuing authority before anyone was already vetted to do so? Clearly they had to do it without prior help.

How many of the great spiritual people had QUALIFICATIONs and VISAs? Seems to me that Buddha for instance spent many years wandering around to various traditions trying to gain entrance until he finally gave up, sat down, and figured it out by himself.

Looking outside is totally counter to spiritual pursuit. The door to the 'Spiritual World' is internal (to yourself).