Are ndes satanic deceptions
 

How do we know ndes are not deceptions caused by satan what proof is there that theyre not?

First, you would have to develop your inner, natural, innate 'truth meter' or heart meter.
How do you know anything is true, my friend...trust your self....trust your gut.

Read 25 NDE's what do they tell you? Nothing we say can say can
convince you, imo.
Good luck with this. :smile:

Why is it important to you? What makes you think Satan has anything to do with an NDE?

The bible says satan masquerades as an angel of light

So be careful you don't get fooled. Simple.
How do you do that?
Trust God, rely on God, ask God for protection always, I say.
He hasn't steered me wrong yet! :hug3:

NDEs are peeks into NDEers' beliefs. NDEs aren't deceptions in those NDEers' realities, but may be far from whatever the wider reality is.

If you believe there is a satan, then in your reality you'll experience it. So, work on changing your limiting beliefs!

This statement seems a bit curious when you read so many accounts of NDEs which are a complete surprise to the person experiencing the NDE, sometimes completely contradicting their personal beliefs (e.g. Eben Alexander).

Peace

Oh - good point! Btw, Eben's talks on youtube at speaking engagements are so much better than his book!
I also read some attempted suicides, and boy, were THEY surprised since many
didn't believe in an afterlife of any kind ---let alone so much kindness and love!
But, I understand my beliefs would be somewhat reflected in an NDE - like Kwan Yin probably will not be appearing to me!:tongue:

Christians are not the only ones that get NDEs you know. Satan is a thoroughly Christian (and Islamic) concept, it does not exist in other religions and cultures.

In general, you raise a valid point that NDEs are peeks into NDEers' beliefs.

However, in my own personal NDE where I emerged symptom-free from a 3-day "irreversible coma", the visions in that state were completely alien to my Roman Catholic belief system and they redirected me towards something that ultimately proved to be very fruitful and life-transforming in a very positive way.

I need evidence, real evidence

Have you ever had an nde?

Miss Hepburn is right on target on this one. There is a lot of information available on people who have had NDEs. If that doesn't constitute some degree of "evidence" for you, I don't know what will convince you.

I personally had an NDE with a visionary aspect many many years ago which was life-transforming. It was definitely not "Satanic".

I wish it would probably solve all my problems

The solutions to all your problems lie within you already. You do not need a NDE to deal with them.

Peace

I need evidence real evidence HELP ME

What's exactly your problem?You want to learn how to do OOBEs but you think that these things are devilish?

The essence that separates a masquerading angel of light from Gods Power

is the Light and Love that is Spirit and Living and Giving and Forgiving

and Accepting.(I could add more but the list is endless)

Any masquerader won't have the full package and will try and manipulate with trickery.

What if they are? And what if our whole world is? Then what? Who might truly care..??

In answer to one of my questions, my spiritual mentor once responded: "You're an experienced meditator. Meditate and all will be revealed."

You post is absolutely correct. "The solutions to all your problems lie within you already".

Well said. :smile:

No one can prove to you, those who truly know the answer to this question all we can tell you is that is not Satan.

While out of body, Ive experienced the light that those who pass over go into as I walked close to it when my aunt was passing over and as I was stopped, I ended up watching her walk right into it. That golden light felt like the most awesome thing imaginable. I cant describe it's beautiful feel. The feel of it, the closer you get to it, the stronger you feel it. It's so good feeling that it's like got a magnetic pull to it. You will want to go there. I can only say that that is not Satanic in any way at all.

Such a lovely message to share sea-dove - thank you...

'I walked close to it when my aunt was passing over and as I was stopped, I ended up watching her walk right into it'

Lobsang Rampa talks about the 'land of the golden light' in his books.He says it's an astral paradise of unspeakable beauty.I've search the web to find something about it,but the only thing i've found is from Josephine Maccarhty.
She calls it the 'holy of holies.
http://www.innerconvocation.co/visio...of_holies.html

There's something about the gold light.Propably it's a very high vibrational frequency.

I don't believe in Satan , but assuming there is a devil , why would he/ she want people having a NDE see passed on loved ones ? Be one with higher cosmic forces/God ? Ect.

To lead people astray

Whatever you make of this is totally up to you. I know what happened and have drawn my conclusion.


13 years ago I had pneumonia, my left lung (heart side) was affected. During one night trying to go to sleep in pain I tried to fall asleep on my right side (non-affected) side. As I was beginning to dose off I began to see the vilest, disturbing, horrific, disgusting, tormented, demented lucid visions that I couldn't go to sleep. Not on that side at least. So I painfully rolled to the other side, and it hurt really bad. So I went back to the other side. Started to drift off and again the lucid visions began again. So, again I painfully rolled back. As I was, I caught a glimpse of a robed hooded figure, the average height of a man. Could not see a face, it darted from the right side foot of my bed to the other before vanishing. Didn't think much of it until later, as I took the plunge of pain to fall asleep on my affect side. I drifted off and finally started to fall asleep. When what happened next during sleep I don't know, but at some point, I was surrounded by not a light but more a glow. All of my issues, problems, worries everything was gone. I felt pure bliss like I was embraced by pure love itself. I was so happy I cared about nothing but the moment. It was the most beautiful feeling/experience I had ever had. Then, not through a voice but like telepathy, I was told by whatever was giving me this message, " you must go back, you must go back, you're not done, you're not done, you must go back, you're mission is incomplete...

Next thing I know it like a jolt to my body as if I was dropped from above the mattress a couple of feet. I woke up crying, full-on balling my eyes out waking my wife in the process. As she was trying to console & understand what, why was going on with me. I explained to her what I have with you.


My understanding of the event that I was given the choice on what team to bat for. Dark or Light. I chose light. The hooded character was like the usher/gatekeeper. Where I went, was home, not quite heaven, but home, my soul group home the Constellation of Orion. (Heaven is the endgame, back to Source). I went home where after each life experience we go to patch up, heal, get new boots and uniform and have another crack at our next life/experience.
That's my NDE and my story and my understanding of the whole experience I had.
How could Satan make you feel like I did? Seems counter productive of him to do so if he is all about doom and gloom, lies deceit and deception.

Very interesting. My father read books by him (Lobsang). I used to joke with my dad and say, "so what song did he sing". :wink: .He would just shake his head. ( Probably thought, "nutbag child"):smile:

Amazing read that Heightend-Awareness and so true - the choice on what team to bat for. Dark or Light...

Lobsang Rampa has had a bad press ever since it was discovered that he was an English plumber who claimed that his body had been taken over by a Tibetan monk. But if you read his books he actually says much which is of interest.

Peace

The press always has to spoil everything.

Satan is just a character that represents your own negativity consciousness.

NDEs are like the hardcore version of an OBE haha

Who/What is Satan
 

A topic that had me bothered for some time now. That I decided to find out more and put it to bed.
What/who is Satan and what/who is Lucifer?
After doing my research reading through religious, metaphysical, mythical, legends, accounts of people (used as a vessel) of channelling exercises to connect with higher density beings and cheating by myself using claircognizance. I determined Satan and Lucifer are two separate entities. I got tired and annoyed by people saying in their contexts that Satan and Lucifer are one in the same. Simply put, they're not. They are two separate beings that had and have two separate agendas.


Who and what is Satan? Satan is more of a title given to the leader/king whatever, just like the Romans called their leader Caesar, the Russians Czar.. etc
This is where you need to hang onto your seat. Keep an open mind. Please, it will bend it mind.


Most people believe in aliens and most don't, for those who don't, think about this. The expanse of the universe the mind blowing number of galaxies and quadruple the amount of stars in each and the amount of planets that would orbit even 1% would be in the millions, for possibilities of other forms of life. But we already knew that. Because a lot, mega amounts of souls that reside here come from somewhere else. Not to mention a multiverse and other dimensions.
From the information collected by, through the person used as a conduit for the purpose of the channelling exercise revealed many things.
Firstly, lets reacquaint ourselves with known E.T's of our own universe, please forgive me if I have missed any. I am relying on memory with the races I list.
In no particular order, Andromadans, Acturians, Sirrians, Lyrans, Orions Group (mixed bag, where I originate from) Peladians, Avians, The Greys and the Alpha Draconians (Reptilian Race) & Puppet masters of the Greys.
Lets look at some legends. St. George slayer of the dragons. Chinese mythology strewn with dragon legend.
Look at religious depictions of demons and devils. Most have the similar depiction we see in movie s. As that is where movie makers originalities for them come from. They have the ability to shape shift. They are mostly very tall and fearsome looking. Now you get the idea how they looked like for religion? Where do you find lizards? In warm places. If they are shape shifters, they can only maintain that for so long. So where would they go that they can be themselves and be toasty warm? Very close to the core of our planet. The unfortunate ones that have been to hell and back, recalling smelling of sulphur & seeing lakes of fire guess where they went and now you know where hell(our planets core, or very near to it) is!

Lets take a look at the Alpha Draconians. They are a caste system style race of Reptilians. So you have your Royalty, Aristocracy, Political, Religious, Warrior, servant classes and so on. The only tier which is endowed with wings and are the tallest of the lot is the royal caste. Here is a side note to speak of quickly without going to far off topic, is any being that is iron based carbon bodies have red blood, significant to iron ore. Now this will blow most of you away and get your panties all twisted. Most of have heard the saying, “royal blood is blue blood”, right? Where does that come from? As red blood is iron based (hence people with iron deficencies etc). Blue blood is copper based. Which means, IT AINT HUMAN! FULL BLOODY STOP!
Wait for it, the blood of the Draconians, particularly the royal caste is... wait for it you guessed it blue, copper based blood. What is being described is that most of the royal families mostly the European ones are blue bloods. That's why back in the day they married one another and kept in in the family to keep the bloodline pure and when they give birth to freak offspring...just a bit tasteless.
Do you see a pattern. Do you know the real truth why Princess Diana died? It wasn't a freak accident. It was a two parter. One it was a sacrifice to the Godess Diana, and secondly Diana knew and saw what the faces behind the facade really is and looked like and was going to go public with it. Also Diana and QEII never liked each other to begin with. Diana even called QEII Lizzy, not being short for Elizabeth either. This is all documented in her journal and letters to her confidant. An alleged palace source had sensationally claimed that Harry's biological father is in fact a Welsh Guards Officer named Mark Dyer. Because of all this QEII had MI6 off her and made it look like a freak accident. Remember what I have said many times. “Everything in the universe is done for a reason, nothing is random.”

Back on track. The Draconians are ferocious, fearsome, overwhelming (physical and mental/psychic). They have no remorse, lack any compassion or empathy and have a total disregard of humankind. Basically they hate our guts of the highest order and with a passion. We are less than pond scum to them. Draconians love to drink human blood, especially after torture or inflicting pain in various forms to release hormones and adrenaline into the victims blood which they drink and eat the flesh of in a orgy and banquet and ritualistic settings. This is just the beginning of Satanism.
So, back to the original question. Who is Satan? He is the King of the Draconians. Or Satan of Darconia. What I mentioned earlier, is what they want on a global scale and that Satanism be the worlds religion.
I will post part 2 , Lucifer at a later date. I thought you might need some time to get your head around this. Mind bending Ha...

An NDE is when you are very close to death, and supposedly have left your body. It can happen during operation in the hospital or in a traffic crash or during injury. Some are said to have been clinically dead. This is a ''neutral'' experience. Can happen to you, me, or anyone else.
If you talk about ''satanic'' deception, then read what the deception was about. How does that relate to NDE?

NDES are exactly like OBE's.

You just move your consciousness from your physical body, into your spiritual body in locale 1 or the duplicate dimension of the physical.

"Satan" is just a character from the bible that represents having a fearful state of mind that's all there is. It's not an external being at all, neither jesus, neither god.

All there are is just characters to represent an state of consciousness.

What purpose would it serve if NDEs were caused by Satan?

That's an excellent point! Especially when one considers that many people come back changed for the better after their NDEs. What's satanic about that? :smile:

Santan is fleeing: as to not get caught as you will trying to portray the devils work... near death experiences are logical all true just can’t meet the horizon a lot of the time! I’ve had experiences yet to fully cross over yet!