The Overself
Here's an article-quote from Lobsang Rampa that explains the nature of the overself,which is the one god-monad every religion is talking about.
Man is nine-tenths subconscious and one-tenth conscious. You have probably read quite a lot about it because the whole science of psychology is devoted to the various facets and idiosyncrasies of Man's subconscious. Remembering that Man is so little ‘conscious’ does it not occur to you what a shocking waste of time it is for a powerful, powerful Overself, gifted with all manner of abilities and talents, pulsing with the power of a more vibrant world and of a different way of life, who comes to this world laden with troubles and obstacles, and then to function at, at most, one-tenth of its ability? Supposing you had a motor-car, oh, let us say an eight-cylinder car because there do not seem to be any ten-cylinder cars to make the allusion more exact—let us say we have an eight-cylinder car, then, just for the purpose of this illustration. We have this eight-cylinder car, but we find that it is working on one cylinder alone, seven cylinders are not in any way contributing towards the function of the car, they are in fact holding it back even more because of the inertia. The performance is deplorable. But think of it in terms of human existence; mankind is like a ten cylinder car only one cylinder of which works, the other nine are ‘subconscious’. Wasteful, isn't it? The Overself of a human—or any other creature either, for that matter—does not waste energy; the Overself of a human has a number of tasks which must be accomplished. Supposing we have an evolved Overself who is anxious to progress to other planes of existence, one who is anxious to go up and up and up to different dimensions. In that case the Overself might devote one-tenth of its ability to dealing with the body on Earth, and the rest of its abilities might go to dealing with bodies on other planets, or other planes of existence. Or it might even be without puppet bodies on other planes of existence and be moving in what one might term, pure spirit, instead. But if the Overself is not that far evolved or has a different scheme of operations, it might do things in a different way. Supposing our Overself is more or less of a beginner, then you can say that it is the same as a student in secondary school. The student has to attend a number of classes instead of having to learn just one subject, often this means that the student has to walk to different classes or to different centers, and that really does waste a lot of time and energy. The Overself is in a far more satisfactory position. It is the puppet master. Upon this world which we call Earth there is a puppet which is the Earth body, and which functions with one tenth of the Overself's attention. Upon a parallel world in another dimension the Overself could have another puppet, or perhaps two or three, or more puppets, and it would then be able to manipulate these between various tasks. To go back to our student, one might say that this is like a student who can remain aloof in his private room and send his deputies to the different classrooms so that he can gain all the experience required through these different sources and 'connect them up' later. Let us assume that the Overself is having to rush things somewhat in order to catch up with the cycle of evolution. Supposing the Overself has been a bit slow or a bit lazy, and has had various setbacks, and this Overself does not want to be left in the same class or state after the others have passed on, so he has to take, in effect, a cramming course the same as a child or older student takes extra lessons in order that he may keep up with others who are more advanced, and so remain in close touch with them. The Overself may have a person living one life in Australia and may have yet another person doing something else in Africa. Perhaps there will be another one in South America or Canada, or England; there may be more than three, there may be five or six or seven. These people might never meet on Earth and they would still be very much in affinity with each other, they may have telepathic rapport without in any way understanding why, but then occasionally they would meet in the astral just as travelling salesmen sometimes meet in the sales manager's office. The poor wretched Overself with seven or eight or nine puppets would really have to get a move on to manipulate them all at once and avoid ‘crossing the wires’. This is one explanation of some curious dreams because frequently when two compatible puppets are asleep their Silver Cords might touch, and would produce an effect similar to those crossed telephone lines wherein you hear pieces of others' conversations but, sadly, sadly, and to one's immense regret, we miss all the most interesting bits. But what is the purpose of all this, you might ask. Well, that’s easy to answer: By having a number of puppets the Overself can have vast experience and can live ten lives in just one lifetime. The Overself can experience riches and poverty at the same time, and so weigh them in the balance of experience. One puppet in one country could be a beggar making a miserable living, hardly existing, in fact, while in some other country the next puppet could be a prince gaining experience of how to handle men and how to shape a nation's policy. The beggar would be gaining experience of misery and suffering so that when his lifetime of experience was blended to that of the prince-puppet the Overself would know of the seamier side of life, and would know that there are at least two sides to every question. In the normal course of events people would perhaps come as a prince and then wait for another life to come as a beggar, or the other way about, but when they are rushed for time when any given cycle of evolution is nearing its end as is the present case, then heroic methods have to be adopted in order that those who are slower may yet keep up with the rest. https://www.lobsangrampa.org/overself.html |
Hi Lomax. The forum has a rule about copy/pasting long articles. I've never quite understood why, but I just had a glimpse while reading that. That wall of text doesn't do much for me, although I did appreciate the light and laid-back tone in general (always a happy sign).
I would much rather hear what you personally have to say, and then go from there. For example, your very first comment interested me the most. You say this is the one god-monad every religion is talking about. I would question that assessment. Religions are as varied as all the many spiritual and new-age philosophies that are floating around out there. More than that though, I would argue that any religion or philosophy that identifies a "one god-monad", isn't in fact on the same page (or in the same ballpark, planet and solar system even) as a philosophy that identifies the existence and reality of an overself. The idea of an overself is incongruous to religious belief and teaching, period. It's a bit like suggesting a priest and quantum scientist speak the very same language when they lecture to their particular audiences. True perhaps on the most extreme and abstract levels of understanding, but other than that, not at all. I personally would say the overself is an idea reflecting the evolution of human spiritual understanding. It is one of many Aquarius Age understandings that are now replacing all those typical and familiar archaic Pisces Age beliefs; concepts like the one god-monad for example. All that said, it comes back to what you if fact actually meant by one god-monad. And that's why dialogue, rather than just reading a long article, is necessary. |
Partialy i agree with you baile.
It's not coming from my experience,and if there's a problem with the forum rules,i apologize for this.The moderators can delete it. On the other hand i had the urge to post it,cause i feel it's truth. For example i've met with uknown humans in my dreams,and i had the strange feeling that i was them and they were me. |
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But once i see something and ''clicks'' to me,then i investigate a little further. Of course others might have a different opinion,but for me he spokes the truth. I just feel it. I just wanted to share this piece,for various reasons. |
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But on the other hand,yes.It could be. |
Another example he gives about the nature of the overself,is when you see a swarm of birds,turning direction alltogether like they're under the command of someone.
These birds are under control of the same overself. They are many,but it seems like they act as one |
Well, I loved it and copied the link to go to later, thanks.
I had only heard the term Oversoul from many places, I think Seth was one place. Any additional things you remember, like the birds ...keep it up! :smile: |
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He says that In the ancient egypt,trained magicians were able to communicate with these oversouls (manus). |
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The term the Overself is also used by Paul Brunton. Some excerpts from his notebooks (edited to keep it brief): ... the Overself is always here as man's innermost truest self. It is beginningless and endless in time. Its consciousness does not have to be developed as something new. But the person's awareness of it begins in time and has to be developed as a new attainment. The ever-presence of Overself means that anyone may attain it here and now. There is no inner necessity to travel anywhere or to anyone in space or to wait years in time for this to happen. Although It is at the very heart of human beings, the Overself is very far from their present level of consciousness. Nothing could be closer yet this is the supreme paradox of our existence and the strangest enigma confronting our thought. The Overself is implicit in all humanity but explicit only in a few solitary figures. The Overself is not a goal to be attained but a realization of what already is. It is the inalienable possession of all conscious beings and not of a mere few. No effort is needed to get hold of the Overself, but every effort is needed to get rid of the many impediments to its recognition. We cannot take hold of it; it takes hold of us. Therefore the last stage of this quest is an effortless one. The overselves of the animal kingdom are somewhat different - they can be considered more like group souls which govern a flock of birds, a shoal of fish, a swarm of bees. So the animal overself governs a group, whereas the human Overself is individual. But perhaps our own Souls or Overselves are themselves part of a larger Soul group, and this larger Soul group may itself belong with other Soul groups to a still greater Soul group. And so it goes on. Peace. |
So the Overself is not God? Or is it?
Is it the Higher Self that we are not conscious of much? sorry the term is new to me. (As in, is the Overself the Oversoul, if anyone is familiar with that ...just trying to get a handle on this new term.) Thanks:smile: |
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I read only the linked article. It says: "Actually, the alleged Spirit Guide is just one's Overself, who really is one's Guide."The idea of learning through probing doesn't make sense (to me). The model described in the article contradicts my observations (which doesn't mean that I don't leave some room to the possibility that Lobsang Rampa is right). |
don't forget the dimension theory.We might not be aware of the 5th or so dimension,but this doesn't mean that it's not real.
If the overself is the real you that exists at the 10th dimension(as he says),you can understand that we have almost no chance to have a consious meeting with him while on earth He also says that it's possible,but no amount of books or info is enough to cover almost ten years of training in order to achieve a contact on that level. |
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Hello gentlemen :) I haven't checked the link, but to me it also sounds like these folks could be what we also call close soul family members, some of whom may be particularly close to you and may be welcomed by your soul in your dream or astral states. Another consideration is that you in fact may have been one of these men in another life...and you may have been dialoguing, visiting, or working through something. It's hard to say since the memories may fade (though you caught some words which for some reason were not "auto-translated" and were in a different language...fascinating) -- but if you had the strong feeling you were one of these men, that is perhaps the most likely thing. And if the men were twins, brothers, or somehow very closely linked, you may have felt as if you were, in a sense, both men, from the strong connection. I have had all of the above happen in my soul's past and have had these experiences (and many others) come forward in this life. And I have also heard these soul groups or soul families referred to as having an oversoul, though I haven't explored what that might be, beyond interbeing and a collective or shared experience or focus in some way. I think like Miss H I assumed the grand oversoul was Source and know very little else about it, but it's very interesting and of course the whole thing could be far more complex. Peace & blessings :hug3: 7L |
5th Dimension? Oh my...I think there are probably an infinite amt of dimensions!!!!!
Why stop? LOL! :hug3: I mean creating them! 'Hmm, I think 30 is enough?"....just don't see the Creator saying that... I could be wrong. :tongue: |
Hey, look what I found...an excerpt:
"The Over-Soul" is an essay by Ralph Waldo Emerson, first published in 1841. With the human soul as its overriding subject, several general themes are treated: (1) the existence and nature of the human soul; (2) the relationship between the soul and the personal ego; (3) the relationship of one human soul to another; and (4) the relationship of the human soul to God. Influence of Eastern religions, including Vedantism, is plainly evident.... |
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I can't even think what lies beyond.:confused: |
Somewhere I have heard that on the other side in the non-physical, we have soul groups. It may have been in one of Robert Monroe's books that talked about this. He has had lots of out of body experiences in the non-physical.
And we do apparently have an oversoul that is over all of them. It sounded to me like there is lots of soul group so I don't think God or Source is the same thing as the oversoul. And to me, the term Higher Self has always meant the same thing as the Holy Spirit - which is the voice for God, the voice for truth, the voice for love. Our inner voice - the part of us that remembers our Oneness with God. I don't know if that is the same thing as the oversoul. I suppose it could be. Although Dolore's Cannon would regress people under hypnosis and she would often communicate with a voice that seem to know everything. And she found that the same voice would communicate with her through anybody she had under deep hypnosis. It would pick up the conversation where it left off with the last person. That could be the Holy Spirit or voice for God that is within each of us. Although she called it the unconscious mind and I don't think that's what it is. So maybe the Higher Self should be another name for the Oversoul instead of the Holy Spirit. I think a spirit guide is something else. They say we can have more than one guide for different purposes. And our guides can even change throughout our lives. And some people even say that a deceased relative can become our guide. I believe that if you meet someone from your soul group in this lifetime, you will feel an instant connection with them - as if you've always known them. If your both romantically attracted to each other they could be your soul mate. I think our soulmate is someone from our soul group that we have decided a head of time (before birth) to have a romantic relationship while we're here. I also don't think we choose to experience a soul mate in every life time unfortunatley. But you will not always have romantic feelings for someone from your soul group. Even a family member of friend could be in your soul group. I've also heard that a group of souls in the same soul group can look a lot alike. David Wilcocks claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. Not only do they look a lot alike, but they have a lot in common apparently astrologically speaking. And some of the people in David's present life looks just like some of the people that were in Edgar Cayce's life. Also, have you ever meet any couples that just seemed perfect for each other? A lot of times they look a lot alike. I think that might be because they're soul mates and from the same soul group. |
In his books he says that most of the times the so called 'guides' are your own subconsious mind in disguise.
It can connect with other subconsious also and it knows everything that had happened to you so far,even from your past lives. Something like a librarian who knows where to look,if you have the way to access him. He adress also that twins share the same overself. You hurt one,and the pain goes to both of them.It's like they came out of the same egg. |
You can also have multiple puppets in the same world. A simplified term for this is what's called a soul extension. These are not mere etheric 'fragments', or 'psychic fragments' (although they will usually only have in their consciousness what is required for the experience they are having), they are physical embodiments. Not referring to one's twin per se, but multiple extensions of each 'twin'.
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But I wanted to address the experience of dreams. I've never had the experience said in post 3 so I can't relate to it. I would say in dreams we experience ourselves. Has this been considered? The experience is the observation of self put together by the self. I am proposing here question to ask in a dream and to get feedback. I have noticed dreams usually involve ones' potential we tap into and actualize. We actualize in dreams what we don't in reality we create. Dreams are a conversation. Do we not often create in dreams and also not do when awake. The self is vast and dreams are not made up, they are information one already has and doesn't access. Here is something I saw long ago, my own experience pattern. In my dreams, I'm able to do things I'm (know) unable to do in real life. From start to finish, the most complex tasks, yet when I wake up I say I can't do that or I wish I could really do that, but I just did. Imagine if you could access the information your dream did. The feeling I can't is what I believe. The mind (brain) is so complex and vast and has information we do not tap into. The subconscious has been discussed before. Part of the self is there. And uses information the you did not access when awake. It is able to complete any task. |
I don't know Lemex.It could be as you said.
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It’s a nightmare when your only using one - eighteenths of your subconscious
...I would like the answers more fluently... seems to be clogged up some where in these chakras...when asking for answers the download or upload is instant but can’t seem to access it more fluently when detailed... or need the details and can’t seem to random access them as clearly... |
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