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17 years of separation
20-11-2010, 04:03 PM
Dear all,

I am new at this form as I've only recently experienced spiritual awakening.
I will try to summarize my rather interesting story.
I have met my soulmate when I was 17 during the exciting ski trip.
We saw eachother at the apre ski party he came up to me and we started kissing right a way. People were stunned. We continued dating experiencing pure bliss when together.
However unthinkable happened.
The war broke out in the part of Europe. I exiled to the part of country where my mother is from. As I didn't know at that time anything about soulmates, and I was very young I continued to date other people. I noticed right a way that while connections were sexually charged none of those have depth and intimacy as the one I had with him. 10 months later when returning from school I saw him. He exiled to the same area. Our connection was instant and we continued to see each other. My parents who managed to escape to another area wanted my sister and I to join them ASAP. The night before our separation he and I confessed our love for each other. I cried for 12 hours straight knowing that I will not be able to live without him. As if someone gave me the harshest life sentence that night. We have reunited with the parents. We have decided to immigrate to Canada.
That is where I have been living for the past 17 years. But I count my years from the time of separation with him.
We have wrote each other letters. I found it too painful so I entered another relationship, this time I went overboard I got married. I ended up in abusive relationship divorcing shortly afterwords. He found out I think and he never wrote again. I found out that shortly after words he entered another relationship as well.
There was no contact. In 1999 I met someone at the sea coast line who told me that she works with someone by that name. His name is very common name in that area. It could have been anyone. I knew that was him and no other. I asked her to give him my e-mail. He wrote right a way! He was cold. I found out he was engaged to be married. I went on with my life. I had a string of unsuccesful relationships. In 2004 I met someone at work I got married again, got pregnant and started somewhat satisfying home life which turned into abusive relationship again. I could not reach pinnicle of pleasure sexualy. I would compare my spouse to my soulmate. I left the bedroom and we are getting divorced right now. My spouse has moved on very quickly I beleive he is already seing someone. I have a beautiful daughter thus I do not view my marriage as a mistake. For the past year while strongly feeling yearning for my soulmate, I have worked on my spirituality. I am able to se my aura and I was in the vortex twice. It was beautiful. I decided to contact spiritual advisor who was recommended to me. She told me right a way that I have a soulmate who is separated from me. She told me that he is going through a tough divorce right now. She told me that he is angry with me and that he doesn't wish to be contacted so I wouldn't see how unhappy he is right now. She also picked up on the fact that we've never had a sex (really).:))) She has also confirmed that the reason I can not orgasam with anyone else as because my chakra would only open to him. She sees that we will be reunited one day and even have a child when he works out his issues. She described him as if she sees his picture. He became a wealthy but not happy man. He becane a ssuccesful leader of a large enterprize. He is thinking already that only true happines can come from me.
This was a pivotal confirmation for me life, that I am not crazy, dellusional or sexualy disfunctional. That I am simply spiritual being who could not complete the life without the One. From everything I have experienced known and seen, I know where I belong I know for who my soul is yearning and how I can complete myself. While 17 years was a long long time of suffering I can wait 17 more. But I will not enter another sexual relationship again. I am open to dating and friendships I am at the peace with my decesion. Any thoughts or comments let me know and God Bless. Namaste

BlueSky
20-11-2010, 04:33 PM
Yes, that is a very interesting story. No thoughts or comments come to mind as I read it.
I am glad that you are at peace with your decision.
With that said, would you say that you are open to that decision changing?
Just curious.....thanks for sharing from your personal life...........
Blessings, James

SeaZen
20-11-2010, 05:01 PM
Interasantna a zalosna prica. Taj glupi rat je dosta nama unazadio psihicki i duhovno. Neverujem da ce mu trebat 17 godina da se smiri od ljutne. Neka ti prijatelji pratu gde je i kako je. Verujem da ce mu samo trebat godinu dana da se smiri a ne 17 godina. Verujem da ce te skoro biti zajedno i srecni!

Pitnaje je gde cete da zivite. Gde si sada ili tamo kod njega. Interesuje me, jeste li iz isto poreklo kao on ili iz druge strane? Gde zivi on sada? Izvini ako moje srpkso/hrvatski nije jasno jer sam rodjen ovde. Zelim vama sve nabolje! :smile:

Silver
20-11-2010, 05:04 PM
Interasantna a zalosna prica. Taj glupi rat je dosta nama unazadio psihicki i duhovno. Neverujem da ce mu trebat 17 godina da se smiri od ljutne. Neka ti prijatelji pratu gde je i kako je. Verujem da ce mu samo trebat godinu dana da se smiri a ne 17 godina. Verujem da ce te skoro biti zajedno i srecni!

Pitnaje je gde cete da zivite. Gde si sada ili tamo kod njega. Interesuje me, jeste li iz isto poreklo kao on ili iz druge strane? Gde zivi on sada? Izvini ako moje srpkso/hrvatski nije jasno jer sam rodjen ovde. Zelim vama se nabolje! :smile:

Whaaa...?:confused:

17 years of separation
20-11-2010, 06:19 PM
Interasantna a zalosna prica. Taj glupi rat je dosta nama unazadio psihicki i duhovno. Neverujem da ce mu trebat 17 godina da se smiri od ljutne. Neka ti prijatelji pratu gde je i kako je. Verujem da ce mu samo trebat godinu dana da se smiri a ne 17 godina. Verujem da ce te skoro biti zajedno i srecni!

Pitnaje je gde cete da zivite. Gde si sada ili tamo kod njega. Interesuje me, jeste li iz isto poreklo kao on ili iz druge strane? Gde zivi on sada? Izvini ako moje srpkso/hrvatski nije jasno jer sam rodjen ovde. Zelim vama se nabolje! :smile:

SeaZan,
He lives in Zagreb. I live in Toronto, Ont. We do not have mutual friends any longer so I am unable to connect with him that way. Dear SeaZen I couldn't care less where I live with him It could be Croatia, India or Thai. I will converse with you in native tangue but please post in English so other enlightened souls can understand. Topli pozdravi. Namaste

17 years of separation
20-11-2010, 06:24 PM
Dear WS,
I am not open to chaning my decesion any time soon.
I will explain why. When I gave birth to my daughter, I was in bad shape.
Epidural, drugs, C-section and the whole nine yards.
Dazed and confused I opened my eyes in hospital waiting for my SM to enter with the flowers.
Right there right there
I knew that I had the child for a wrong man. I didn't bear a wrong child she is my angel but as I belong to someone else the joy of childbearing could not happen for me. Thank you for your reply!

Anima
20-11-2010, 06:48 PM
I am of Serbian Croatian descent too :smile: , and live in Split. Fortunately, I was born in 1992 and didn't really get to live through the war, not that I remember anyway.

Your story deeply touched me. I wish I could tell you to open yourself up to possible other relationship, but even though I'm young and relatively unexperienced, I completely understand the problems with connecting to the other people the same way, and the wish to rather wait than push yourself into relationships you know in your soul can never match up. It's good to hear that you're letting go off of the expectations for the relationship to manifest right away, because like many people on the forum keep saying, acceptance and letting go are one of the important things that help you spiritually evolve to the point where you can handle the relationship with a soulmate. Maybe all of these years of seperations, and all of the time you will continue to spend on your own before you unite, are neccessary for you two to be ready for eachother. Something like, you need to be a complete half in order for you two to make a real whole. Maybe you were ready for a long time, and he was not. Maybe it was the other way around. It seems rather often that in case of "twinflames/twinsouls" - meeting earlier in life, and then going on different ways to eventually reunite eachother again. The labels don't really matter, and I don't know if you're familiar with this particular one, but it might be interesting for you to inquire about the subject. I can send you links to good articles for the purpose of possible more understanding, if you'd like.

Best wishes, light and love,

Anima :hug2:

17 years of separation
20-11-2010, 07:04 PM
Anima,
Thank you for your reply. As I am truly suffering for 17 years, I am blessed that only recently I have found some answers as to be able to connect with soulful people like yourself. I am confused about one thing you wrote:
What benefit if any would I be getting from entering into relationships with others? Yes please send me info about tf and sms as I would like to label my connection correctly
love topli pozdravi

LadyImpreza1111
20-11-2010, 09:15 PM
Welcome to SF 17 years!

Your connection sounds like it could be your twin flame. For a love to last that long..........and to cause that much anguish sounds just like it. I'm sure upon reading up on it, you'll learn whether he is your twin or not.

But upon finding my twin, I decided that I too could easily stay celibate for however long it took............even if that meant waiting this whole lifetime.

Here is a pretty good article on twin flames that you might like:

http://www.collapsingduality.com/FAQ.html

17 years of separation
20-11-2010, 09:45 PM
Dear LadyI,
Thank you for welcoming me. As I am a new kid on the block I missed out on your life story. Please refer me to the thread so I can enjoy it. Yes he is the tf or sm, at this point my dear Ladyi, I am not as interested in labels as much as into cleansing myself from diverting from the Path. Besides my celibacy I am also thinking about becoming vegan and staying away from eating the flesh of our lovely cohabintants on Planetary Soul Earth. Even if we do not reunite by being celibate, I can respect myself more knowing I haven't tarnished what is in my soul, thus I will love myself more. Hope that makes sense.
On the funny note, over the years, I must say I became an expert in faking big O. If there was ever competition on how to fake it I would win big time :)
Joking aside, I do acheive spiritual pleasure by thinking of him in my dreams or alone, I feel him and sometimes I feel love if I meditate. If you don't mind send me the message explaining your story ..Thank you once again xo

Anima
21-11-2010, 12:22 AM
Anima,
Thank you for your reply. As I am truly suffering for 17 years, I am blessed that only recently I have found some answers as to be able to connect with soulful people like yourself. I am confused about one thing you wrote:
What benefit if any would I be getting from entering into relationships with others? Yes please send me info about tf and sms as I would like to label my connection correctly
love topli pozdravi

In the past?

Like I said, maybe those relationships you had, the pain you went through, prepared you for being able to handle the intensity and hardships of a soul connection relationship. Try not to think about the previous relationships as "wrong". Even though maybe they weren't something that was meant to be, they taught you lessons, they pushed you towards your awakening, and I hope towards your soulmate too. Maybe if you and your guy haven't been seperated, you'd not be pushed to your limits enough to be able to trully appreciate eachother and stay together once you meet again. Even in some cases where people aren't seperated by outside circumstances, they find the intensity of the connection scary, and both or one of them run from it emotionally or/and physically - we call them "runners".

Right now?

Judging by what you wrote about your spiritual awakening, not much. By saying I wish I could tell you to open yourself up to possible other relationship, but even though I'm young and relatively unexperienced, I completely understand the problems with connecting to the other people the same way, and the wish to rather wait than push yourself into relationships you know in your soul can never match upI meant, "It would be nice if I could tell you that you could find someone else and be content in case you two don't work out after all, but since I am going through the similar thing, I don't find something like that likely, and I am sorry for and relate to the anguish you are going through". Make more sense now? :redface:

I feel very vulnerable, finding someone I know is the love of my life, at the age of 17, before I trully know who I am, and so many complications between us (physical distance, huge age difference, his dangerous career) that make us unlikely to work out... And at the same time feeling married to him in my soul. I start to wonder... If higher force doesn't intend for us to be together in this life, am I supposed to push myself into relationships with other men, hoping I can live with feeling like I am cheating on myself, him and the man I am with... Or did the destiny or God or whatever you want to call it, cruely condemn me to celibacy, all by giving me the best thing in my life I would never wish didn't happen to me?

I guess the bottom line is... Only you know in your soul what is right for you. And while I completely understand your decision of celibacy until/if he comes your way, I also think, or at least I am trying to believe, that I shouldn't intentionally or unintentionally isolate myself in the process. In case I'm supposed to learn a higher lesson from it, I shouldn't be too stuck up on the romance part, and hoping that just because we're so complicated, unlikely and a soul connection, we're going to work out against all odds. You know?

I'll private message you with links of articles on soulmates and twinflames as soon as I catch time. Also, my advice is, try not to get too caught up on labels. As much as it helps to tell eachother our stories, and how comforting it is to have a thing to hang onto, something that bonds all of us in this forum, it can also limit us and make us miss the point, if we aren't careful with how we "position" ourselves towards it. I try to believe only those things that resonate in the depths of my being.


Topli pozdravi i tebi, i sretno,

Anima :hug3:

17 years of separation
21-11-2010, 12:36 AM
Dear Anima,
If I was twenty right now I would not had made this step. After the string of relationships (that I don't see as a mistakes at all I only said that those were abusive relationships I see them as I carmic lessons I needed to learn) I know,
that my decision is the right one for me. I am rejoycing my decesion it feels beautiful inside. Also becoming the mother changed me on spiritual level as I am caring for the crystal child which brings the happiness on its own, thus sex is not going to be the source of happiness for me. Thank you for clarifying what you wrote, I also feel your pain. Being so young, the same age I were when I got separated, when the life, and lust is brewing all around you, the juices are flowing and the one you need to be with is not around. I was "practical" enough to know if I keep waiting for Him I will miss out on motherhood, so I ensured that doesn't happen to me. That would be my advice to young girls, motherhood is such an uplifting experience, if it can not happen with tf, it should happen. I am not into labels. I am into spiritual cleansing. I sense you are very patronizing when you write, and sense you could be judgmental at times. Not sure if that is an age difference and language barrier, or it is coming from your desire to educate others spiritually which is a great thing, but I need to tell you what I am sensing. No matter how right or wrong we are we are in this together, and we need to supress Ego in order to form bonds. Please do not take this wrong way. If you sense anything about me, please tell me. Veliki topli pozdravi tebi i sucanom Splitu

Anima
21-11-2010, 12:59 AM
Dear Anima,
If I was twenty I would not make this step. After the string of relationships (that I don't see as a mistakes rather then carmic lessons) I know,
that my decision is the right one for me. I am rejoycing my decesion it feels beautiful inside. Also becoming the mother changed me on spiritual level as I am caring for the cristal child which brings the happiness on its own, thus sex is not going to be the source of happiness for me. Thank you for clarifying what you wrote, I also feel your pain. Being so young, the same age I were when I got separated, when the life, and lust is brewing all around you, the juices are flowing and the one you need to be with is not around. I was "practical" enough to know if I keep waiting for Him I will miss out on motherhood, so I ensured that doesn't happen to me. That would be my advice to young girls, motherhood is such an uplifting experience, if it can not happen with tf, it should happen. I am not into labels. I am into spiritual cleansing. I sense you are very patronizing when you write, and sense you could be judgmental at times. Not sure if that is an age difference and language barrier, or it is coming from your desire to educate others spiritually which is a great thing, but I need to tell you what I am sensing. No matter how right or wrong we are we are in this together, and we need to supress Ego in order to form bonds. Please do not take this wrong way. If you sense anything about me, please tell me. Veliki topli pozdravi tebi i sucanom Splitu

I understand... well, as much as I can at my age. Actually a big thing lately for me is that my TF is not sure if he wants more children. I would sacrifice a lot for him, but motherhood is not one of those things, cause I've always been good with kids and felt a strong wish to be a mother. He says that he himself might as well eventually call us off because of my own good, and the good of my future children. We're trying not to overthink it, and just let go and accept, and once we're completely balanced, if destiny still doesn't want us to be together, just accept some more, I guess.

My purpose really was to help/educate, since it seems many confused people come to this forum that need encouragement and some insight. I used to be one of them, and reading the things LadyImpreza1111 said to me at the time was the first step towards the acceptance I made. I am not always sure how far off the persons I am responding to are, like in your case, so I just share info hoping some of it helps. I don't deem myself a specialist in any way, just an observer to my own and other's soul connections. Sometimes the person I am responding to actually helps me come to some realisations instead. It's a great back and forth process. However, yes, I am a strong teacher/concelour kind of person, I get long winded in my responses, and I can be a bit of a smart head. :D And yes, while I let go a lot in the past year, I am still trying to deal with my ego. Sorry if I made you feel like I was condensending. My purpose was not to downplay your or anyone's perspective, but to show my take on it. Which is why I said that only you know in your soul what is right for you.

Anima :hug:

17 years of separation
21-11-2010, 01:15 AM
Anima ljubavi,
I only feel love for you and all of my past lovers which some of them have hit me pushed me and called me names. I hope you don't mind me advising on the motherhood, but you know what there are many many females who are just as content and spiritual and they didn't need motherhood to get them there Yes it looks like LadyI is very advanced. I think there is no mistake, no coincedence that someone from Cro has responded to this thread. In terms of your Sf and his suggestions to "call things off" as I learned you did too, it is not uncommon for people to fight things off, at the end this is such a powerful feeling it is hard to deal with that. I myself tried to escape it by getting married at the age of 19, how rediculous is that..:)) Look at his wishes from the position of love. If he is not ready no need to push, that is alright as love understands and love waits. On another note my aura is light blue how about you, I can hardly wait for your messages in my private box. Your English is perfect. How did you learn it. I have so much to ask you...Talk later. Love and blessings

psychoslice
21-11-2010, 01:23 AM
Don't call it celibacy call it celebration, for when you realize that your true happiness is within you and never to be found out side of you, then its time to celebrate. There are so many trying to find happiness in another, they are addicted to their own species, the other draws you to them because like most animals you want to reproduce your own species, this is the magnetism of all animals but unfortunately most think this pull is true love. To know what true love is is to go beyond the instincts of or evolutionary programing, its going deep within, into the silence that has always been there, always in the back ground of our life's journey. This inner Knowing of Love is very rarely discovered, for those who discover it find that they don't need anyone to make them whole, they are already whole, to have a relationship with one who doesn't know of their inner true being, will only drag you down to their neurotic behavioral level that they call love. So Congratulations on finding the true Love that is YOU.

17 years of separation
21-11-2010, 01:33 AM
Psychoslice, thank you. Thank you as I am rejoycing my decesion. I had to learn so much to get to this place. To come to think of it, even when I reunite (if that happens, which is God's wish that I will respect anyways),
I do not think that the sex will be necessary. At all. I just have one question to ask you when you said "relationship with one who doesn't know of their inner tru being" did you think of my twinflame or you spoke in general terms? This is my first day on this thread I am already feeling blessed..

psychoslice
21-11-2010, 02:18 AM
Psychoslice, thank you. Thank you as I am rejoycing my decesion. I had to learn so much to get to this place. To come to think of it, even when I reunite (if that happens, which is God's wish that I will respect anyways),
I do not think that the sex will be necessary. At all. I just have one question to ask you when you said "relationship with one who doesn't know of their inner tru being" did you think of my twinflame or you spoke in general terms? This is my first day on this thread I am already feeling blessed..
Hi, I'm so glad that you are happy in your decision, not let those who are addicted to their relationships drag you down to their level, you have risen above all that, so it seems. Yes when I said about having a relationship with those who don't know of their true SELF, yes I meant your past flame or anyone who fits this description. Believe me I have been through many relationships and I had to learn this the hard way, so I am talking through experience. When this realization came to me from within, I just instantly droped the whole idea of ever letting anyone control me again, it was as if I was set free from a prison that I erected from my own insecurity, its great to be FREE.:smile: :hug3:

17 yrs of separation
21-11-2010, 02:46 AM
Dear Psycos
I do not want relationship with my flame until he reaches the same level of understanding. I do not beleive that the connection between two souls even connected as to in the case of twinflames can be maximized or be successful unless BOTH are ready to evolve. But you sound like you gave up on the relationship altogether, am I right? Have you found your soulmate, twinsoul would you think the same? As I am new I may have missed out on your previous threads, sorry if I make you to repeat yourself.. Looking forward to your reply

psychoslice
21-11-2010, 03:29 AM
Dear Psycos
I do not want relationship with my flame until he reaches the same level of understanding. I do not beleive that the connection between two souls even connected as to in the case of twinflames can be maximized or be successful unless BOTH are ready to evolve. But you sound like you gave up on the relationship altogether, am I right? Have you found your soulmate, twinsoul would you think the same? As I am new I may have missed out on your previous threads, sorry if I make you to repeat yourself.. Looking forward to your reply
Hi, I didn't really give up on relationships, I still have relationships but there fiends that I don't need to be with them 24/7 or take them home to bed lol. I don't like labels such as TF and SM, it becomes an ideology and even a religion where they all want to get together and discus there beliefs in their new found so called lovers. You and everyone else is connected to the source or Consciousness, when we do meet someone who allows the source to shine through them, yes we can be drawn to them spiritually but what I have seen by most concerning TF and SM is nothing but neurotic behavior. Stop labeling yourself and keep within your true SELF and live from there, then if someone comes along and would like to share their life with you and you would like to share your life also then of course, this is how it should be.But if you want something from a relationship you will never be happy, this is nothing but being a parasite, as soon as the the love you thought was there is no longer there, then you have sucked all that you wanted from the other. A true Relationship gives, shares, allows, it is letting the other grow, by this you also let yourself grow.

psychoslice
21-11-2010, 03:38 AM
My Soul mate even though I don't belive in the concept, is my sister, this is me and her when as children.

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/psychoslice/GayMe.jpg

17 yrs of separation
21-11-2010, 05:30 AM
I don't want anything from the relationship but a true bliss connection, telephatic communication, amazing sexual pleasure, and all these things all other humans are dreaming off.
You remind me of a smart sarcastic kid at the back of the classroom always dressed in black who is sarcastic about love connections around him...yet he secretly longs for it .. himself
I love the fact how many different energies are there on this forum thank you

LadyImpreza1111
21-11-2010, 09:50 AM
You remind me of a smart sarcastic kid at the back of the classroom always dressed in black who is sarcastic about love connections around him...yet he secretly longs for it .. himself
I love the fact how many different energies are there on this forum thank you

Haha. You'll find a few people like that on this forum. Sometimes they do have decent things to say. Other times they might ruffle some feathers. Really, its just best to take what they say with a grain of salt. You know what you feel. You are starting to understand what you are experiencing. Let them say what they want to say. You know what is truth.

psychoslice
21-11-2010, 09:52 AM
I wonder who the sarcastic kid is ???.

mystical
21-11-2010, 11:04 AM
welcome 17 years , your story was really lovely to read its ounds to me as if he could be a twin but thats only sumthing u would really know , i do hear you on the celibacy thing in fact my twin always trys this but then he sumhow loses his way and meets sum random girl , this is always when he is down and conflicting with himself , my whole life has always surrounded by sex its a very open topic and i have had several bad experiences , my twin was the only man who always made me feel relaxed and liek the only woman in the world he never pushed me and i love him dearly for that , i can now live a life without sex because of my twin because he showed me what love making was all about , to me sex was a way to find love but it sint , it should be shared between two people who love eachother and want to share that love between them.. im glad u feel open to dating again this is sumthing as of yet i cant bare doing because i know all the while im sat cuddling a man my head n heart will always be with my twin and it wouldnt be fair to the other person , i do admire u tho for 17 years is such a long time and i find unbearbale that i had waited 2 years but i will wiat regardless i will wiat a lifetime if i had to becaus ei know at the end of it i will of honoured my heart and my love

17 yrs of separation
21-11-2010, 03:54 PM
Psychos,
We are both sarcastic kids! :)) Odd balls.keep posting you way!

ultra-violet
21-11-2010, 04:34 PM
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SeaZen
21-11-2010, 06:28 PM
SeaZan,
He lives in Zagreb. I live in Toronto, Ont. We do not have mutual friends any longer so I am unable to connect with him that way.

That’s sad to hear. Its unfortunate if this were because of the war. We still maintained our friendships with our Croatian and Albanian friends (I am Serbian) during that time though I have heard of friendships ending because of the war.

Dear SeaZen I couldn't care less where I live with him It could be Croatia, India or Thai.

Thats good


I will converse with you in native tangue but please post in English so other enlightened souls can understand. Topli pozdravi. Namaste


I understand, however, I wanted to post in the native tongue at first so that you know right away that you have kindred spirits here who wholeheartedly welcome you to the forum and understand what you went through (as far as the war and its hardships). I also wish to let you know that I do not think badly of or harbor any ill will towards Croatians, Bosnian Muslims, Albanians etc. and that you have nothing to be apprehensive about. We are all one!

Even though I was here during the war, it tore my soul apart when it was happening. It was a very difficult and dark time of suffering for me spiritually and psychologically. Spirit came through for me however during that time through 2 very lovely women. One contacted me via a Balkan internet dating site. She was Croatian born here and she had the most beautiful eyes and amazing smile. She was the type who could light up the room when she walked in. We had a great intimate email correspondence though nothing happened of it because the war was still fresh, my soul still needed to heal, I couldn’t really see how this would work out if I was to go visit her friends and relatives in Croatia, we don’t live in a vacuum etc.. I didn’t tell her this but she sensed this apprehension and hesitance in me and chose the other guy. Who knows, maybe she was my soulmate and I missed out.

A year or so later, as my soul continued to heal, I met a Bosnian Muslim (who emigrated here after the war) on the beach here in Chicago. She was amazing and we hit it off very well and spoke on the phone often. The last time we spoke she had mentioned that her mom just walked into the house and that she would call me back later. That was the last I heard from her. I had left her a message the next day to call back and she didn’t. I suspect her mom asked her who she was talking to and she had told her mom about me and her mom admonished her not date or contact a Serb. I wasn’t upset at all and completely understood her situation and let it go but it would have been nice.

What spirit did for me by bringing these 2 fine women into my life was to have me experience a wonderful intimate soulful oneness with them that somehow healed me. I’m not sure how or why, but it did and that’s all that matters.

Puno Topli Pozdravi iz Chicago Draga Moja! Kao uvek, zelim vam sve nabolje! Namaste!

SeaZen

SeaZen
21-11-2010, 06:33 PM
Whaaa...?:confused:

Hahahaha! :D

I bet you had a fun time "super-moderating" that one Silvergirl!:wink:

17 yrs of separation
21-11-2010, 08:07 PM
Dear SeaZen,
Wow, what a wonderful story of yours. Yes it was nice to be welcomed in native tongue, if it wasn't for Silvergirl watching the the thread like a hawk I may have corresponded to you in Serbian.
When it comes to the matters of heart, ethnicity doesn't mattar
as you know all too well. I hope that you will meet your dream girl with a beatuiful eyes recognize her soul from many lifetimes together and never let her go!
veliki pozdravi tebi Brate :) Namaste

SeaZen
21-11-2010, 09:50 PM
Dear SeaZen,
Wow, what a wonderful story of yours. Yes it was nice to be welcomed in native tongue, if it wasn't for Silvergirl watching the the thread like a hawk I may have corresponded to you in Serbian.


ROTF****!!!:D

Yes, Silvergirl is very diligent about keeping this a safe happy place for everyone and I highly admire her for it. She wants to make sure everyone is treated nicely and was just monitoring the forum appropriately (not that she had anything to worry about me - well, except for maybe for "over-flirtation" - just kidding!). It was more for your good than mine. She is a real sweetheart! :wink:

I know you will see this and enjoy her company the more you are here. :smile: I don't think she will mind if we speak our native tongue now that she knows we are kindred spirits! :smile: This forum is about acceptance of all cultures and languages not just English. I am very certain this will not happen, but if someone speaks to you badly in the native tongue, let a moderator (or me) know about this and they will take the appropriate action.

When it comes to the matters of heart, ethnicity doesn't mattar
as you know all too well. I hope that you will meet your dream girl with a beatuiful eyes recognize her soul from many lifetimes together and never let her go!
veliki pozdravi tebi Brate :) Namaste

Yes, you are absolutely correct! Even among those whose tribes are at war. Thank you for your well wishes and advice!

Nas ceo bivsi jugoslovenski narod je vrlo duhovni narod i verujem da cu oni svi da ovo saznaju kao sto smo mi to saznali pa da se opet zivi u miru i slogu.

Veliki pozdrav tebi draga duhovna Sestra! :smile:

SeaZen

17 yrs of separation
21-11-2010, 10:08 PM
SeaZen,
As I was explaining in my other thread. The war as a human phenomena as you probably know is not natural to humans as it is contradicting Universal laws of love, but it is created by negative forces who create the pull of negative energy as to disrapt evoluation of the Truth and Love. Look at what has done to me, I found my soulmate, my one and only now neither him or I can form happy lifes. Andy how many many many stories like that as you know...Sometime I wish I wasn't alive, other times I am glad I am still here as to learn as many lessons as I can. I am only 36 but I feel like 70. For you Balkan descent childern was even harder I think I am saying that as genetically you felt compelled to go there, to help to make things better even to join the army just to help, but you were devided by the Atlantic ocean you felt powerless. For us who were there it was hard. But we were there. There is a power of knowing I was THERE. Does this make sense?

SeaZen
21-11-2010, 11:04 PM
SeaZen,
As I was explaining in my other thread. The war as a human phenomena as you probably know is not natural to humans as it is contradicting Universal laws of love, but it is created by negative forces who create the pull of negative energy as to disrapt evoluation of the Truth and Love.

Yes, but unfortunately, throughout history, the balkans (especially the former jugoslavija) was the negative fault line for religious strife between catholic, orthodox and muslim religious forces. It was the boundary line of conflict between these religions and those foreign forces that occupied the land. Even 50 years of atheistic communism was unable to wipe out the old patterns completely but it was a start. I hope the reconciliation and healing wont take too long.

Look at what has done to me, I found my soulmate, my one and only now neither him or I can form happy lifes.

YES YOU CAN! Dont think negatively about this lest it come true and you wait another 17 years. Healing is quick these days. Devote your positive energy and dreams to this and it will happen.

.Sometime I wish I wasn't alive, other times I am glad I am still here as to learn as many lessons as I can. I am only 36 but I feel like 70.

Ja i ti sestra, ne samo ti. Gledaj sa ono mudrosti i duhovnost sto dolazi sa te godine a ne ona patnja. U tome je ta cela stvar.

For you Balkan descent childern was even harder I think I am saying that as genetically you felt compelled to go there, to help to make things better even to join the army just to help, but you were devided by the Atlantic ocean you felt powerless. For us who were there it was hard. But we were there. There is a power of knowing I was THERE. Does this make sense?

Well, my mom was there but earlier. She and her family had to vacate from Kosovo when she was 16 years old in 1941 because it was too dangerous for them to stay. She moved penniless to beograd with her family and had to endure bombardment very often from the german luftwaffe not to mention daily survival.

My father was a POW in Germany for 4 years. He was a very spiritual man before and more so after and the best father I could ever have (he died when I was 11). I will always remember how he ate my sisters gross soggy conflakes that she didnt want to eat because of the hunger he went through. We would go for walks and he would put his arm around my shoulder and I would put my arm around his waist and he would talk. He migrated to america after the war and wasnt able to bring his sweetheart over until 1955 so it was a "14 years of separation" for him. He and my mom perservered and made it through and had kids and lived a happy life together. I seriously think you and your sweetheart are capable of something similar "17 years". Especially in this day and age of evolved spirituality. I may not have lived it like you have or my parents but I feel it nonetheless.

BTW, sta je vase ime ili sta be zelela da te zovem ovde? "17 godina..." focuses on the negative (neznam kako to da kazem na nas jezik pa na engleski to kazem). Ja bi vise voleo da te zovem nesto vise postivno, lepo, suncano i duhovno jer ste vi takva priroda unutra.

Sve nabolje Draga Duhovna Sestra! (this means "I wish you the best my dear soul sister!")

SeaZen

17 yrs of separation
21-11-2010, 11:08 PM
You can call me Sister. Sestra. (period)

Pascal
22-11-2010, 04:52 AM
Don't call it celibacy call it celebration, for when you realize that your true happiness is within you and never to be found out side of you, then its time to celebrate. There are so many trying to find happiness in another, they are addicted to their own species, the other draws you to them because like most animals you want to reproduce your own species, this is the magnetism of all animals but unfortunately most think this pull is true love. To know what true love is is to go beyond the instincts of or evolutionary programing, its going deep within, into the silence that has always been there, always in the back ground of our life's journey. This inner Knowing of Love is very rarely discovered, for those who discover it find that they don't need anyone to make them whole, they are already whole, to have a relationship with one who doesn't know of their inner true being, will only drag you down to their neurotic behavioral level that they call love. So Congratulations on finding the true Love that is YOU.

Love it psychoslice!

psychoslice
22-11-2010, 05:33 AM
This so called Love can be recognized in another such as a Soul-mate or Twin-Flame, but the thing is its not found in another, if you are trying to find love in another you will always be hurt. Its when you come together and share the love that you both already have that love is truly experienced. When you both realize this, that Love is what binds you together and also binds everything else, you will then truly Know what Love is, you will no longer be Soul-Mates or Twin-Flames, you will have matured and moved on from this childish concept, yes it brought you both together but now its time to drop it and become as you truly are ONE. You may continue your relationship but not because you are in need of each other but because you want to share and receive each other in pure LOVE.:hug3:

LadyImpreza1111
22-11-2010, 06:13 AM
This so called Love can be recognized in another such as a Soul-mate or Twin-Flame, but the thing is its not found in another, if you are trying to find love in another you will always be hurt. Its when you come together and share the love that you both already have that love is truly experienced. When you both realize this, that Love is what binds you together and also binds everything else, you will then truly Know what Love is, you will no longer be Soul-Mates or Twin-Flames, you will have matured and moved on from this childish concept, yes it brought you both together but now its time to drop it and become as you truly are ONE. You may continue your relationship but not because you are in need of each other but because you want to share and receive each other in pure LOVE.:hug3:

I agree with most of this. I DON'T find the terms childish, however.

psychoslice
22-11-2010, 06:23 AM
I agree with most of this. I DON'T find the terms childish, however.
This childishness is not to be taken as an insult, its like when we move through our grands at school, we see the start of our grades that we leave behind as we get older as something for those who haven't learnt that grade as yet. But of course we have to start somewhere, if that is from a relationship with our TF or SM thats where we will start, but its when we don't move on spiritually and learn from that relationship that it really does become childish. Imagine if you didn't want to move on from say, grade 1 through to grade 2 and at the same time acted like a grade 1, do you see my point ?.

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 06:27 AM
It is all to bring us to the understanding that we are all one in truth. The labels given are just words after all.

psychoslice
22-11-2010, 06:30 AM
It is all to bring us to the understanding that we are all one in truth. The labels given are just words after all.
yes and this is exactly what I have been saying all along, I'm glad that you can see this, it means that you are mature.:hug3:

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 06:33 AM
Only when i'm asleep. Heehee.

Thankyou psychoslice. we are all on a journey back to source and these bonds are the Catalysts to our higher truth.

I have read your posts and do enjoy them.

psychoslice
22-11-2010, 06:40 AM
Only when i'm asleep. Heehee.

Thankyou psychoslice. we are all on a journey back to source and these bonds are the Catalysts to our higher truth.

I have read your posts and do enjoy them.
Yes you are so right, its all about returning back to our Source, I'm glad you don't think I'm arrogant like I get accused here sometimes lol.:smile:

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 06:45 AM
No i certainly don't find you arrogant. You can't hide enlightenment and you are not supposed too.

I can so relate to your signature Psycho. LOL

NightSpirit
22-11-2010, 08:19 AM
Let me put my own spin on it. IMO...what you are experiencing from your opposite is your own Grandness...the soul that is you in it's entirety, reflecting back at you from this other person. You fall utterly in love with it because you are acknowledging its pureness. The physical and spiritual experiences of this through the other, then makes it profound because there is nothing before you, but the mirror of your own Completeness. Deep within you, you see, feel and know this yet do not see it as your Self...because the human state has us believing it is coming from outside of us and not from within. Never forget though, that this person who holds the mirror up before you, also only sees his/her separation. When you spend time in this type of relationship, you will look deep into his eyes and see past his human state, into the very soul...his soul...that is also your soul. And in his humanness he will also reflect back to you all that darkness you have gathered and tucked away hoping to never see its light of day. But he will show you that...yes! And you will either scream and run, or stand and bravely face and battle it. That's why he/she is here. That you are ready to acknowledge the Oneness of your soul....all of it...out in the open...and the ole proverbial can-opener will be wielded un-lovingly by your partner whom you have adopted as being your tf.
You are meant to come together only when you're both ready and able to face your deepest skeletons and work together always for the Higher Good. This is the foundation and basis of what we seem to have termed fashionably Twinflame. Oh yes, he will ignite your soul flame in the only way we understand...dualistically...both positive and negative..with nothing left out.
When you are ready...you will be together and not until then. If you find it too difficult to acknowledge, accept and complete the work of your soul...then you will run away and blame it on the other. This is projecting outward, instead of taking full responsibility for your inner work. When you have completed the biggest part of your work in your lifetime (or lifetimes for those believers)...he will come and he will show you how to see the last vestiges of that darkest hidden area you have never acknowledged. BE PREPARED!
Cheers....

Nymphea
22-11-2010, 08:26 AM
I hope you once will come together. That will surely happen, but you never know when the time is right.
It's a blessing to get the confirmation of a spiritual counselor that what you're feeling is real. Do never doubt your own feelings and intuition!

psychoslice
22-11-2010, 08:40 AM
This TF and SM is not just the opposite sex to be made a sexual relationship with, it can be your mother, father, sister, brother or whoever, all it is is the recognition of your true SELF in the other, seeing yourself within them. For myself I see the SELF in ALL, for me now to see myself in just one person is backsliding to the belief that we are separate.

LadyImpreza1111
22-11-2010, 10:52 AM
Soulmates don't have to be the opposite sex. Soulmates are the ones that can be family, freinds, pets, etc.
However there is a debate over whether or not Twin flames are always exclusively male/female. And you would probably have difficulty finding articles saying that its possible for twin flames to be the same sex.

psychoslice
22-11-2010, 11:03 AM
Soulmates don't have to be the opposite sex. Soulmates are the ones that can be family, freinds, pets, etc.
However there is a debate over whether or not Twin flames are always exclusively male/female. And you would probably have difficulty finding articles saying that its possible for twin flames to be the same sex.
See the thing is someone made all this up and then made rules to the game, if you want to play their game well thats your choice, but I like to play my own games and make my own rules from my own experiential experience.

debbie.b
22-11-2010, 11:07 AM
twin flames are always seperated into male/female, thats the point of it, the male has a small amount of the female twin in his DNA & vice versa. that's how the connection is set. soulmates can be anyone as we all belong to different soul connection families. i have found many of my connected family or should i say we have found each other.

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 11:09 AM
Do you not believe that within this phenomonon some Higher truths are channeled as guidelines?

I agree that we have to learn from our own experiences, but there has been a massive shift in conciousness and these souls are an integral part of it. IMO

LadyImpreza1111
22-11-2010, 11:10 AM
twin flames are always seperated into male/female, thats the point of it, the male has a small amount of the female twin in his DNA & vice versa. that's how the connection is set. soulmates can be anyone as we all belong to different soul connection families. i have found many of my connected family or should i say we have found each other.

Exactly. And before they can reunite, they have to balance their masculine/feminine aspects.

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 11:10 AM
twin flames are always seperated into male/female, thats the point of it, the male has a small amount of the female twin in his DNA & vice versa. that's how the connection is set. soulmates can be anyone as we all belong to different soul connection families. i have found many of my connected family or should i say we have found each other.


I have also deb. Isn't it wonderful to recognise these energy connections, and the TF is the ultimate. (hug)

psychoslice
22-11-2010, 11:16 AM
Go beyond the female, the male, the DNA, go within deeper than anything that is on the surface posing as a mind body, there you will find your True SELF, there you will find your so called TF and SM's True SELF also and this SELF is ONE, you have completed your search. Its time now to drop the story of Twin-flames and Soul-Mates, the story has done its job, why now continue the story ?.

LadyImpreza1111
22-11-2010, 11:17 AM
It is quite simple:

CUZ WE WANT TO.:icon_eek:

psychoslice
22-11-2010, 11:24 AM
It is quite simple:

CUZ WE WANT TO.:icon_eek:
Yes its always WANTING that takes us away from our true SELF, its also WANTING that keeps us clinging and never letting go.

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 11:24 AM
Hahaha. Nice one!

debbie.b
22-11-2010, 11:28 AM
our true self is part of everything & everyone else.......our higher consciousness is one that is connected with all. ME becomes WE becomes ONE!!!!

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 11:30 AM
Exactly deb!

psychoslice
22-11-2010, 11:31 AM
our true self is part of everything & everyone else.......our higher consciousness is one that is connected with all. ME becomes WE becomes ONE!!!!
And thats what its all about, the story of the prince and the princess comes to an end.

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 11:33 AM
Eternity is without end. lol

debbie.b
22-11-2010, 11:47 AM
And thats what its all about, the story of the prince and the princess comes to an end.

i don't mean as in 2 ppl becoming ONE, i mean the universe as a whole becoming ONE!!!!!

Anima
22-11-2010, 12:56 PM
See the thing is someone made all this up and then made rules to the game, if you want to play their game well thats your choice, but I like to play my own games and make my own rules from my own experiential experience.
Go beyond the female, the male, the DNA, go within deeper than anything that is on the surface posing as a mind body, there you will find your True SELF, there you will find your so called TF and SM's True SELF also and this SELF is ONE, you have completed your search. Its time now to drop the story of Twin-flames and Soul-Mates, the story has done its job, why now continue the story ?.

We go on about it because these things are our experience, and even though we are not neccessarily stuck on labels, some of the theories we read about it resonate deeply within our souls. Why do you have so many problems with it when some of us have even come to the same realisations through our soul connection experiences? The theory of soulmates and twinflames is not even contradictory to what you are saying - I actually agree with you and enjoy your posts, but it is like a half of the story. Moving into yourself and realising we are all one does not mean suddenly your soul connection doesn't matter - it can still teach you lessons, give you gifts and nurture your soul. How can YOU say when it is "done", when we have learned everything from it that we could? Besides, one of the things in this connection is unconditional love that never ends, and even if lessons are learned, it is something people can enjoy, and something that can bring more light to lives around them and universe in general. Bottom line is, both are imporant, and pushing too much towards only one thing creates disbalance, I believe. One may open your soul to the other, but they can coexist.

Didn't people, me included, already explain this in lengths to you? What keeps you coming back to this forum? I think you tell yourself that your posts may help people concentrating too much on soul connections, but most of the time you come across as a man disappointed in love outside yourself, so you generalise the soul connections we found with other people as obsessive and unhealthy. It is a tough experience, but just because you can't understand it beyond it being an obsession, doesn't make it "wrong" - it makes us grow. It's like you use spirituality as an excuse for romantic isolation, and like you're drawn to the soul connection concept, but you wish it wasn't important to ANYONE because you didn't find it yourself. You're entitled to your own version of happiness and choices, but so are we, and posting like this is like constantly telling us we can't be happy this way. I'm sorry if I am wrong about you, but this is what I sense.

Besides, what is wrong in enjoying romantic love with the other person additionally to the other stuff, if we wish so? What is wrong about wishing to be a mother? I am kinda insulted that you suggest it is only a matter of animalistic urges I can't control. I personally feel like I am supposed to nurture a soul into this world, and like I am supposed to grow from the experience. And just because something is human nature doesn't make it low. We are in this world as HUMANS, and not only to learn spiritual gifts and embrace our spiritual nature, but also to experience life, and I think that if you're not passionate about living and how beautiful this world can be, you aren't trully experiencing it right. Just my opinion.


Best regards,

Anima :hug3:

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 01:02 PM
I think your signature says it all Anima.......I love it!!

Anima
22-11-2010, 01:07 PM
I think your signature says it all Anima.......I love it!!

Thank you, Falling Star. :hug2:

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 01:09 PM
I agreed with your post by the way. It is a great post, But i also see where Psycho is coming from also.........As in us all becoming as one.

Anima
22-11-2010, 01:12 PM
I agreed with your post by the way. It is a great post, But i also see where Psycho is coming from also.........As in us all becoming as one.

That was my point though... That his theory and our theory don't have to be, and are NOT, mutually exclusive. And thanks. :redface:

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 01:20 PM
It is an experience at highest level of souls evolution isn't it. So it transcends all that we may have been taught.

ascension i believe is transcending human conditioning to not only find our truth, but also to become it.

Anima
22-11-2010, 01:25 PM
It is an experience at highest level of souls evolution isn't it. So it transcends all that we may have been taught.

ascension i believe is transcending human conditioning to not only find our truth, but also to become it.

For me, this experience is both a piece that pushed me towards awakening, and a piece that is not neccessary to come to awakening but makes all the other pieces make more sense, kinda connects them in a more intricately woven design.

Anima :hug:

debbie.b
22-11-2010, 01:37 PM
psycho is right in saying we have to look into ourselves to find the true meaning of love but then you can't have a soul connection with anyone unless you have found your own inner love. if you can't love yourself there is not a chance you could have that feeling for someone else. i've not always been happy with my appearance but i have always accepted what i believe & love that my beliefs are what makes me ME!! awakening to my inner self has taught me to love the outer me now & that shines out to others & this is how i have come to connect with so many of my soul connection family. my tf still chooses to think in the outer ego self & has told me that although he knows & accepts what we are to each other he can never be with me in this lifetime as he cannot accept my appearance. i have my body covered in 'art' lots of it & he has said he is just not physically attracted to me because of this even though we have had a sexual relationship. my body art is a reflection of how colourful my soul is. it's my way of bringing my inner self 'out'. everyone i know sees this but him. i know he isn't happy with his self so i'm guessing this is a reflection of his insecurities.

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 01:46 PM
You bet it is deb. (hug).

Anima
22-11-2010, 01:51 PM
I always said that, Debbie, I agree. We need to love ourselves in order to be able to love anyone else, period. Soul connection taught me that too, because after a while you realise you can't have a peaceful relationship with your soulmates and twinflames (or anyone really, but with soul connections this is more pronounced) until you have completely accepted yourself.

Anima :hug3:

debbie.b
22-11-2010, 02:08 PM
& that's where the heartache comes in anima, it's very rare that both tf's have found that inner love & peace at the same time. we all walk different paths of life before we meet up with our tf & what ever has happened in the past & how we were able to deal with lifes problems etc reflects in our ability to be able to accept who we have become in the here & now. it's all about the strength of your soul. like a battle of your inner self & your ego. i've had some great guidance from soul connections i've made recently but some people either are drawn to the wrong people or their ego is so strong that they won't accept guidance & in that case there is nothing you can do for them except offer support when their realisation kicks in & they have nowhere to turn when that big gush of emotions kicks in. life is all about living & learning but it's a whole lot better when you have someone with the same mindset to live it with..... ;-)

NightSpirit
22-11-2010, 02:15 PM
all these theories...where the heck do you come up with these? You guys are so full of fluffing up each others tf feathers that everything else beyond it is totally invisible. You don't seem to want to see beyond it or at least open your mind to other possibilities...IMO....but then, who am I to want to pass on what I learnt from my own experience.
There is no victim outside of the one you make yourself.
Bah...I'm outta here.....cheers

Falling Star
22-11-2010, 02:23 PM
What's the matter NightSpirit?

I would have loved to have heard your experience. Shouldn't we all be feeling compassion for each other as we are all experiencing the same bonds.

Everyone's experience might be different, also their way of understanding. (hug)

debbie.b
22-11-2010, 02:30 PM
all these theories...where the heck do you come up with these? You guys are so full of fluffing up each others tf feathers that everything else beyond it is totally invisible. You don't seem to want to see beyond it or at least open your mind to other possibilities...IMO....but then, who am I to want to pass on what I learnt from my own experience.
There is no victim outside of the one you make yourself.
Bah...I'm outta here.....cheers

a year ago i would have thought all this a load of poppycock but what i've experienced & felt since then is real. i've researched this on every site i could find trying to find reasons to disbelieve what was happening but all their info was more or less the same on each site. i wasn't sat 1 day thinking 'oooo i think i'll go searching for my tf or a few soulmates' these things just come along & my experience actually nearly destroyed my life & just about sent me crazy. i didn't want it but my feelings are now there & i'm not some silly young girl with ideas of romance & ever lasting love. i'm a married woman who has admittedly been around the block a few times so i know that this experience isn't 'normal' for me & i needed explainations & this theory is the only believable one for me. :rolleyes:

Anima
22-11-2010, 02:32 PM
all these theories...where the heck do you come up with these? You guys are so full of fluffing up each others tf feathers that everything else beyond it is totally invisible. You don't seem to want to see beyond it or at least open your mind to other possibilities...IMO....but then, who am I to want to pass on what I learnt from my own experience.
There is no victim outside of the one you make yourself.
Bah...I'm outta here.....cheers

Theories? We are speaking of the things we are learning from our experiences, and we are speaking on behalf of our perspective. And even if I am open, doesn't mean I will agree with everyone. And since this is a soulmate thread, someone constantly disregarding what I am going through is most likely not going to resonate within me. That's just a fact. As long as I feel things are said with true compassion, I don't have a problem with them, even if I disagree. Back and forth discussions can make me grow, and sometimes I seem to help people, which is why I enjoy spending time here - I am not here to preach or have my ego stroked. I would've liked to hear what you have to say.

I am sorry you feel this way.

Regards,

Anima :hug3:

Anima
22-11-2010, 02:37 PM
& that's where the heartache comes in anima, it's very rare that both tf's have found that inner love & peace at the same time. we all walk different paths of life before we meet up with our tf & what ever has happened in the past & how we were able to deal with lifes problems etc reflects in our ability to be able to accept who we have become in the here & now. it's all about the strength of your soul. like a battle of your inner self & your ego. i've had some great guidance from soul connections i've made recently but some people either are drawn to the wrong people or their ego is so strong that they won't accept guidance & in that case there is nothing you can do for them except offer support when their realisation kicks in & they have nowhere to turn when that big gush of emotions kicks in. life is all about living & learning but it's a whole lot better when you have someone with the same mindset to live it with..... ;-)

True. If you have accepted and forgiven yourself, then you can also accept that the other person doesn't have to come into the same serene place in order for you to be at peace about it. And you can love them even if you don't understand them or their reasons for pushing you away, and you can forgive them. That's when the pain stops, I think (I got glimpses of it, I am still getting there).

Anima :hug:

NightSpirit
22-11-2010, 02:57 PM
Well maybe you overlooked my post #44 here.....and maybe you also didnt see my stacks of posts (two years worth) on this forum supporting those going through this before the forum crashed. Trying to help them understand...supporting...sympathising...spending hour upon hour of my time being there and offering ways of seeing this in perhaps a different light that just might help them to get through it. And how could you know it was also good therapy for me....taking my own pain and using it to counsell others?
And Anima...I'm quite aware of the threads content and thats why I target all the sm/tf threads...in the hope of shedding some of my own light and learning towards others in similar circumstances. I am not unsympathetic to this and I definitely don't disregard it....hence thats why I took the time to type out a response in this thread and the other tf threads here.
Thats all I have to say...

17 yrs of separation
22-11-2010, 03:04 PM
No no no disagreements, I don't like theories either, do I have twinflame,
carmicconnection or else or near twinflame as someone said that is deceiving and than real TW will come...I don't beleive that in my heart..

I know I feel LOVE eternal unconditonal LOVE that is with me for 17 yrs

I started a new thread, I need you wisdom and light on that new topic

Egos out LOVE in Luvs you

Anima
22-11-2010, 03:07 PM
Well maybe you overlooked my post #44 here.....and maybe you also didnt see my stacks of posts (two years worth) on this forum supporting those going through this before the forum crashed. Trying to help them understand...supporting...sympathising...spending hour upon hour of my time being there and offering ways of seeing this in perhaps a different light that just might help them to get through it. And how could you know it was also good therapy for me....taking my own pain and using it to counsell others?
And Animus...I'm quite aware of the threads content and thats why I target all the sm/tf threads...in the hope of shedding some of my own light and learning towards others in similar circumstances. I am not unsympathetic to this and I definitely don't disregard it....hence thats why I took the time to type out a response in this thread and the other tf threads here.
Thats all I have to say...

I definitely overlooked it, and I am sorry, I don't always remember who exactly says what and where. I still don't understand, what exactly do you have a problem with? I apologise if I contributed to making you feel unwelcome.

Anima :hug:

17 yrs of separation
22-11-2010, 03:09 PM
Anima, you are not following my wish that is coming out of love
Let older Seka tell you stop the conversation, I need your wisdom on my new thread.. ljub ljub

Anima
22-11-2010, 03:10 PM
Anima, you are not following my wish that is coming out of love
Let older Seka tell you stop the conversation, I need your wisdom on my new thread.. ljub ljub

I only saw your wish after I posted. Very well. I said all that I meant to say anyway, I was just sharing my opinion, didn't want to create any hostile enviroment. Peace and love here everyone.

Anima :hug2:

17 yrs of separation
22-11-2010, 04:09 PM
Hostile !? you are nothing but light sweetypie. Love

SeaZen
23-11-2010, 12:00 AM
I am in agreement with psychoslice on this debate about TF's and SM's and I see him completely differently than what anima wrote about him. I do not wish to put words in his mouth, but I do not think he has anything against romantic love and expressing love towards another. He was just merely stating that the priority is to find the love within oneself first, then to look to another to express that love with who has also found the love within themselves. When there is a large number of men and women who can fit this criteria of finding the love within, then there are many candidates who can qualify as a "soulmate" not just one unique person in the whole universe.

Unfortunately, not many have found the love within themselves so when it happens between those who have, it must feel like "she is the one for me! my soulmate! my twin flame!"

The whole concept of "soulmates" IMO is not so much in finding that one "individual" but of reaching that level of spirituality that psychoslice speaks of and to be able express the love he speaks of with another who is at the same level. Its about what is within, not who you are with.

He was addressing the mentality of "there is only one prince/princess in the world that can fulfill me and we need to find each other to complete each other, make a lifetime committment and live happily ever after". Nothing wrong with it if that is your desire and level, but I must say that I find that very quaint and naive as well.

The only exception to this I can see is if 2 souls agree before coming to this life to experience love and spend their lives together but I dont feel this happens often. If this is the case, I believe that they will not have a difficult time finding one another and re-incarnate appropriately to make it happen. To obsess about searching for your TF or your SM is exactly that, an obsession.

17 yrs of separation
23-11-2010, 12:05 AM
Its about what is within, not who you are with.
"- That's beautiful

"'To obsess about searching for your TF or your SM is exactly that, an obsession
And I just thought I wasn't crazy, now I find out I am . Crazy or not, that is the question.
'

LadyImpreza1111
23-11-2010, 12:14 AM
all these theories...where the heck do you come up with these? You guys are so full of fluffing up each others tf feathers that everything else beyond it is totally invisible. You don't seem to want to see beyond it or at least open your mind to other possibilities...IMO....but then, who am I to want to pass on what I learnt from my own experience.
There is no victim outside of the one you make yourself.
Bah...I'm outta here.....cheers


Peace Out!

SeaZen
23-11-2010, 12:18 AM
Its about what is within, not who you are with.
"- That's beautiful
'

Thanks


"'To obsess about searching for your TF or your SM is exactly that, an obsession
And I just thought I wasn't crazy, now I find out I am . Crazy or not, that is the question.


No you are not crazy. I was talking about those who havent yet met their TF or SM and are obsessed with finding them, not those who have already met and are separated. 17, I would still however, in your case, highly recommend clearing out any negativity and pessimism you still may have and finding that love within if you havent already instead of longing for your love.

Im sure that wonderful guy you met long ago is doing the same thing now. If you both have that connection, you will feel each others vibes on the rise and go even higher and reconnect sooner. Thats the best thing the both of you can do for now.

debbie.b
23-11-2010, 12:22 AM
I am in agreement with psychoslice on this debate about TF's and SM's and I see him completely differently than what anima wrote about him. I do not wish to put words in his mouth, but I do not think he has anything against romantic love and expressing love towards another. He was just merely stating that the priority is to find the love within oneself first, then to look to another to express that love with who has also found the love within themselves. When there is a large number of men and women who can fit this criteria of finding the love within, then there are many candidates who can qualify as a "soulmate" not just one unique person in the whole universe.

Unfortunately, not many have found the love within themselves so when it happens between those who have, it must feel like "she is the one for me! my soulmate! my twin flame!"

The whole concept of "soulmates" IMO is not so much in finding that one "individual" but of reaching that level of spirituality that psychoslice speaks of and to be able express the love he speaks of with another who is at the same level. Its about what is within, not who you are with.

He was addressing the mentality of "there is only one prince/princess in the world that can fulfill me and we need to find each other to complete each other, make a lifetime committment and live happily ever after". Nothing wrong with it if that is your desire and level, but I must say that I find that very quaint and naive as well.

The only exception to this I can see is if 2 souls agree before coming to this life to experience love and spend their lives together but I dont feel this happens often. If this is the case, I believe that they will not have a difficult time finding one another and re-incarnate appropriately to make it happen. To obsess about searching for your TF or your SM is exactly that, an obsession.

SeaZen....SeaZen....SeaZen........i am a 43yr old woman who until january of this year never believed in the concept of soulmates & didn't even know what a twin flame was. i am a married woman & in the past, led a very 'colourful' life so naive i certainly am not!!!
in january i 'connected' with someone on such an immense spiritual level that the experience near on drove me insane. we both recognised one another instantly & the mind meld was so strong we could finish each others sentences & when chatting on the net we would type the same sentence at exactly the same time.
i wasn't looking for him & he wasn't looking for me so how is that explained??? :tongue:

17 yrs of separation
23-11-2010, 01:39 AM
Negativity and pessimism ? Well dude I am suffering for 17 yrs I think I am doing darn well. And that is why I am here to get even better. Otherwise I would be in shrink's office which is in Canada not covered by our universal medicare BTW, they charge 250 to 500 CAN dollars for tiny hourly session. And they give you rarely something to write home about. And for those who haven't found SM FM whatever what is wrong in yearing and are hoping as to find that bliss? That is not an obsession, that is a preparation for Love. I think Deb said it all. Rest my case. When did my beatiful record viewer thread turn into this? Oh I know when Pshycos joined Just kidding luvz anyways

A question:
Have you ever experienced carmic unconditional love for a woman? Have you ever ever really really really loved a woman (B Adams-Canada)

17 yrs of separation
23-11-2010, 02:05 AM
beautiful thank you UltraV

psychoslice
23-11-2010, 03:21 AM
We go on about it because these things are our experience, and even though we are not neccessarily stuck on labels, some of the theories we read about it resonate deeply within our souls. Why do you have so many problems with it when some of us have even come to the same realisations through our soul connection experiences? The theory of soulmates and twinflames is not even contradictory to what you are saying - I actually agree with you and enjoy your posts, but it is like a half of the story. Moving into yourself and realising we are all one does not mean suddenly your soul connection doesn't matter - it can still teach you lessons, give you gifts and nurture your soul. How can YOU say when it is "done", when we have learned everything from it that we could? Besides, one of the things in this connection is unconditional love that never ends, and even if lessons are learned, it is something people can enjoy, and something that can bring more light to lives around them and universe in general. Bottom line is, both are imporant, and pushing too much towards only one thing creates disbalance, I believe. One may open your soul to the other, but they can coexist.

Didn't people, me included, already explain this in lengths to you? What keeps you coming back to this forum? I think you tell yourself that your posts may help people concentrating too much on soul connections, but most of the time you come across as a man disappointed in love outside yourself, so you generalise the soul connections we found with other people as obsessive and unhealthy. It is a tough experience, but just because you can't understand it beyond it being an obsession, doesn't make it "wrong" - it makes us grow. It's like you use spirituality as an excuse for romantic isolation, and like you're drawn to the soul connection concept, but you wish it wasn't important to ANYONE because you didn't find it yourself. You're entitled to your own version of happiness and choices, but so are we, and posting like this is like constantly telling us we can't be happy this way. I'm sorry if I am wrong about you, but this is what I sense.

Besides, what is wrong in enjoying romantic love with the other person additionally to the other stuff, if we wish so? What is wrong about wishing to be a mother? I am kinda insulted that you suggest it is only a matter of animalistic urges I can't control. I personally feel like I am supposed to nurture a soul into this world, and like I am supposed to grow from the experience. And just because something is human nature doesn't make it low. We are in this world as HUMANS, and not only to learn spiritual gifts and embrace our spiritual nature, but also to experience life, and I think that if you're not passionate about living and how beautiful this world can be, you aren't trully experiencing it right. Just my opinion.


Best regards,

Anima :hug3:
Hi Anima, I think you have a point but your completely missing the point that I have been pointing to all along, of course there is nothing wrong with being with your so called soul or twin partner, all I am saying is don't stop there, don't keep building a story about how madly in love you are and all the other story's I hear on SF. This supposedly is your ticket to true Awakening, if its not then their not your true so called soul or twin partner, their just like everyones else's partner. You yourself may be a genuine partner and what I have to say may not be for you, so if this is true why would you want to attack what I say or defend your believe system, wouldn't you want others here to have some understanding of what the true meaning behind these partners are ?, that they will over come their necrotic ideas of their partner and move onto their Realization of why they have meant in the first place. If you don't like it or not we are still animals and we still have our animal instincts, they maybe more refined and a lot more emotion attached but there still instincts. Realization is when we Awaken to our true SELF, this SELF is found to be the same SELF as everyone else's, what I am saying is when this clicks within you, then the story that brought you together, the story of twin and soul partners has served its purpose. Now if you have read carefully what I have said you will see that i never said that you should leave each other and become a hermit, which if that is what you want then there is nothing wrong with that also, but of course you can stay together but now as I have said over and over, you are now true lovers, not together to just achieve something, thats already been achieved, you are now together because you both have nothing to take but to only give.:hug3:

Gem
23-11-2010, 04:28 AM
Hi Anima, I think you have a point but your completely missing the point that I have been pointing to all along, of course there is nothing wrong with being with your so called soul or twin partner, all I am saying is don't stop there, don't keep building a story about how madly in love you are and all the other story's I hear on SF. This supposedly is your ticket to true Awakening, if its not then their not your true so called soul or twin partner, their just like everyones else's partner. You yourself may be a genuine partner and what I have to say may not be for you, so if this is true why would you want to attack what I say or defend your believe system, wouldn't you want others here to have some understanding of what the true meaning behind these partners are ?, that they will over come their necrotic ideas of their partner and move onto their Realization of why they have meant in the first place. If you don't like it or not we are still animals and we still have our animal instincts, they maybe more refined and a lot more emotion attached but there still instincts. Realization is when we Awaken to our true SELF, this SELF is found to be the same SELF as everyone else's, what I am saying is when this clicks within you, then the story that brought you together, the story of twin and soul partners has served its purpose. Now if you have read carefully what I have said you will see that i never said that you should leave each other and become a hermit, which if that is what you want then there is nothing wrong with that also, but of course you can stay together but now as I have said over and over, you are now true lovers, not together to just achieve something, thats already been achieved, you are now together because you both have nothing to take but to only give.:hug3:

How come one who understands so little seems to lecture so much, the attempt to idealize relationships is just futile. Maybe bringing up kids is an acheivement and sharing is give and take.

I mean really... why not just accept these idealisms are not functional in practice.

LadyImpreza1111
23-11-2010, 04:33 AM
How come one who understands so little seems to lecture so much, the attempt to idealize relationships is just futile. Maybe bringing up kids is an acheivement and sharing is give and take.

I mean really... why not just accept these idealisms are not functional in practice.


I agree.

I'm alot more likely to listen to those who have walked in my shoes like many people here as opposed to others who might not necessarily understand what I'm experiencing but thinks they know how we should live our lives or how we should think.

psychoslice
23-11-2010, 04:38 AM
How come one who understands so little seems to lecture so much, the attempt to idealize relationships is just futile. Maybe bringing up kids is an acheivement and sharing is give and take.

I mean really... why not just accept these idealisms are not functional in practice.
Yes you are correct I understand nothing, there is no me to understand anything, I just come out with what I do spontaneously, this comes from deep within, everything I say is maybe too deep for you but thats Ok no one is counting scores, or are they ?. Now if you want to talk about my outer life with relationships, well i have plenty of experience there, but so what ?, whats the big deal ?. If you don't like where I am coming from well don't read anything I have to say, or can't you help your self ?. I don't dress what I say up for anyone, I'm not going to be here patronizing and only saying what one wants to hear, if we all did this, no one would ever grow in spirituality.

Gem
23-11-2010, 04:45 AM
I agree.

I'm alot more likely to listen to those who have walked in my shoes like many people here as opposed to others who might not necessarily understand what I'm experiencing but thinks they know how we should live our lives or how we should think.

Every situation is different... and there are so many facets.

I babysit my brothers kids and help my sister too and that's giving and taking in my sibling relationships...

I don't know about this twin soul thing, sounds like a teenage love thing to me, but whatever people think is fine and a rose is a rose by any other name.

psychoslice
23-11-2010, 04:46 AM
I can see that there are some here who like to stay where they are, well I'll leave you as I can see you don't want me here popping your dream bubbles.
I have said what i need to say and if that can be a help to some well and good but if you don't agree with what I say, well thats great also, this is what I want you to do, think for yourselves, stand on your own feet and not listen to what others say about what soul and twin partners should and should not do, find your own TRUTH and live from there. Byeeeee......:wink: :smile: :hug3:

Gem
23-11-2010, 05:03 AM
Yes you are correct I understand nothing, there is no me to understand anything, I just come out with what I do spontaneously, this comes from deep within, everything I say is maybe too deep for you but thats Ok no one is counting scores, or are they ?. Now if you want to talk about my outer life with relationships, well i have plenty of experience there, but so what ?, whats the big deal ?. If you don't like where I am coming from well don't read anything I have to say, or can't you help your self ?. I don't dress what I say up for anyone, I'm not going to be here patronizing and only saying what one wants to hear, if we all did this, no one would ever grow in spirituality.

You just think what you day is too deep to elate your own thoughts, and perhaps it would be wise to consider what you say, and I recall very clearly you patronized me, 'little child', and maybe you are patronizing people on this thread too... I noticed the OP mentioned he started another thread because you irked him.

I suggest you exersize some thoughtful consideration before you speak for what you say comes from deep within comes across as blurting out.

You're kinda floating around on a little white cloud raining down your little wisdoms on everyone else who's below you.

LadyImpreza1111
23-11-2010, 05:06 AM
Every situation is different... and there are so many facets.

I babysit my brothers kids and help my sister too and that's giving and taking in my sibling relationships...

I don't know about this twin soul thing, sounds like a teenage love thing to me, but whatever people think is fine and a rose is a rose by any other name.


A teenage love thing? Are you aware that there are people on this forum in their 30s, 40's, or older struggling with this kind of connection?

Gem
23-11-2010, 05:07 AM
I can see that there are some here who like to stay where they are, well I'll leave you as I can see you don't want me here popping your dream bubbles.

Very patronizing, insulting and arrogant.


I have said what i need to say and if that can be a help to some well and good but if you don't agree with what I say, well thats great also, this is what I want you to do, think for yourselves, stand on your own feet and not listen to what others say about what soul and twin partners should and should not do, find your own TRUTH and live from there. Byeeeee......:wink: :smile: :hug3:

I don't agree with you.

LadyImpreza1111
23-11-2010, 05:08 AM
Yeah. Not many people will either.

Gem
23-11-2010, 05:10 AM
A teenage love thing? Are you aware that there are people on this forum in their 30s, 40's, or older struggling with this kind of connection?

Yes I am... and maybe there are twin flames and such. Maybe it's just a word for 'in love'. Don't listen to me though, I'm kinda **** at romantic relationships, and other relationships too actually.

LadyImpreza1111
23-11-2010, 05:24 AM
Yeah. I hear ya. I considered myself a failure when it came to the opposite sex for a while now but when you meet your twin flame, what you feel for them...........or rather what you used to feel for guys/girls in the past can't even scratch the surface for what you feel for your twin. Its just.............unreal. The difference is staggering.

Yeah. You are in love with them but its deeper, purer, and definitely spiritual because it defies time and space. Its so different. And beautiful.

mahakali
23-11-2010, 05:27 AM
well then, i haven't read this whole thread, but i will tomorrow, its too late now and i must be headed to bed but 17years i feel similar to you, it has been 5 years sense my TF and i parted and Ive had sex maybe 3 times in the past 3 years, I seriously contemplated becoming a hermit and seeking enlightenment the way that Siddhartha did.

i did meet another that warmed my heart dearly but he too is a scared little runaway lol. Id be willing to give it a go with him but the connection is only maybe 60% of my TF's, but that's still saying saying a lot. he makes me belly laugh non stop when we talk and completes my sentences with the same dry type humor as mine. maybe there will be another like this. At least i know what true love is now and will die alone before i settle for less.

17years, going veg makes me feel awesome everyday, looking into the sweet eyes of an animal holds no traces of guilt for me anymore. i love my furry creature siblings!

NightSpirit
23-11-2010, 05:32 AM
I am in agreement with psychoslice on this debate about TF's and SM's and I see him completely differently than what anima wrote about him. I do not wish to put words in his mouth, but I do not think he has anything against romantic love and expressing love towards another. He was just merely stating that the priority is to find the love within oneself first, then to look to another to express that love with who has also found the love within themselves. When there is a large number of men and women who can fit this criteria of finding the love within, then there are many candidates who can qualify as a "soulmate" not just one unique person in the whole universe.

Unfortunately, not many have found the love within themselves so when it happens between those who have, it must feel like "she is the one for me! my soulmate! my twin flame!"


The whole concept of "soulmates" IMO is not so much in finding that one "individual" but of reaching that level of spirituality that psychoslice speaks of and to be able express the love he speaks of with another who is at the same level. Its about what is within, not who you are with.

He was addressing the mentality of "there is only one prince/princess in the world that can fulfill me and we need to find each other to complete each other, make a lifetime committment and live happily ever after". Nothing wrong with it if that is your desire and level, but I must say that I find that very quaint and naive as well.

The only exception to this I can see is if 2 souls agree before coming to this life to experience love and spend their lives together but I dont feel this happens often. If this is the case, I believe that they will not have a difficult time finding one another and re-incarnate appropriately to make it happen. To obsess about searching for your TF or your SM is exactly that, an obsession.

Ah SeaZen...thank you! I'm so glad slice and I aren't the only ones to see this all differently :D :D

NightSpirit
23-11-2010, 05:34 AM
SeaZen....SeaZen....SeaZen........i am a 43yr old woman who until january of this year never believed in the concept of soulmates & didn't even know what a twin flame was. i am a married woman & in the past, led a very 'colourful' life so naive i certainly am not!!!
in january i 'connected' with someone on such an immense spiritual level that the experience near on drove me insane. we both recognised one another instantly & the mind meld was so strong we could finish each others sentences & when chatting on the net we would type the same sentence at exactly the same time.
i wasn't looking for him & he wasn't looking for me so how is that explained??? :tongue:

Lots of similarities to my own experience :smile:

Gem
23-11-2010, 05:35 AM
Yeah. I hear ya. I considered myself a failure when it came to the opposite sex for a while now but when you meet your twin flame, what you feel for them...........or rather what you used to feel for guys/girls in the past can't even scratch the surface for what you feel for your twin. Its just.............unreal. The difference is staggering.

Yeah. You are in love with them but its deeper, purer, and definitely spiritual because it defies time and space. Its so different. And beautiful.

I don't see how it's reasonable to place one relationship more high than another and I suspect 'twin flamers' do this, but everyone in love feels 'unreal' and that it's so different to anything else.

I think people fall in love and some call it 'twin flame'. Everyone thinks their love is extra special and really it is.

NightSpirit
23-11-2010, 06:09 AM
I don't see how it's reasonable to place one relationship more high than another and I suspect 'twin flamers' do this, but everyone in love feels 'unreal' and that it's so different to anything else.

I think people fall in love and some call it 'twin flame'. Everyone thinks their love is extra special and really it is.

Because Gem, the experiences of this type of relationship are about acknowledging your own soul. That's all they are...and call it what you like, tf or sm...the naming of it (for purposes of catagorising) does not change the dynamics of the relationship.

Because, the experience we talk of, is the soul completing itself through the dynamics of a partner who also stands at this level of its soul completeness. And when two the same come together...the purpose is to complete the last leg of its journey and for both to uphold the Higher Good and share that out.

Because, those seeking a tf relationship are most likely not where they need to be for this to happen and see it mostly as a fairytale romance (ughhh...now i'm gonna get my a****e kicked for saying that)...you don't pick tf's out...they pick you..when your ready and have done the work.

Because, until you journey to find your soul and reach its pinnacle, you will not mirror it back to you (which is where the so-called "tf" comes in).

And until one experiences this (as debbie b's own experience has shown to be true) Gem, you will NEVER get what all the blah-blah is about on this type of relationship.
Its not about the relationship with another...its about the relationship with your soul.

NightSpirit
23-11-2010, 06:30 AM
after my journey of exploration , pain and suffering with the concept of twinflame , this post explains it all ,along with experiental experience :smile:

Then you understand and all I can say to you and for you is "Bless you"

17 yrs of separation
23-11-2010, 10:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjdyOY3rCjs

Anima
23-11-2010, 01:16 PM
Hi Anima, I think you have a point but your completely missing the point that I have been pointing to all along, of course there is nothing wrong with being with your so called soul or twin partner, all I am saying is don't stop there, don't keep building a story about how madly in love you are and all the other story's I hear on SF. This supposedly is your ticket to true Awakening, if its not then their not your true so called soul or twin partner, their just like everyones else's partner. You yourself may be a genuine partner and what I have to say may not be for you, so if this is true why would you want to attack what I say or defend your believe system, wouldn't you want others here to have some understanding of what the true meaning behind these partners are ?, that they will over come their necrotic ideas of their partner and move onto their Realization of why they have meant in the first place. If you don't like it or not we are still animals and we still have our animal instincts, they maybe more refined and a lot more emotion attached but there still instincts. Realization is when we Awaken to our true SELF, this SELF is found to be the same SELF as everyone else's, what I am saying is when this clicks within you, then the story that brought you together, the story of twin and soul partners has served its purpose. Now if you have read carefully what I have said you will see that i never said that you should leave each other and become a hermit, which if that is what you want then there is nothing wrong with that also, but of course you can stay together but now as I have said over and over, you are now true lovers, not together to just achieve something, thats already been achieved, you are now together because you both have nothing to take but to only give.:hug3:

How come one who understands so little seems to lecture so much, the attempt to idealize relationships is just futile. Maybe bringing up kids is an acheivement and sharing is give and take.

I mean really... why not just accept these idealisms are not functional in practice.

I'm alot more likely to listen to those who have walked in my shoes like many people here as opposed to others who might not necessarily understand what I'm experiencing but thinks they know how we should live our lives or how we should think.

I agree with you two.

Theories soul connections stand upon may be idealised, and while some of us accept that and don't hang onto labels, you seem to do just that. You label us as looking for princesses and princes charming, not looking beyond romantic love, unaware of our inner self. You don't seem to understand that a thing that to an outsider may seem like something is not neccessarily it - that's YOUR perspective on it, and while you may be knowledgeable, even you said you don't have a direct soul connection experience to draw from. The reason why I defend is because I believe things you say to someone confused and in the eye of the storm of the soul connection experience probably won't be helpful, because it's just going to another idealised extreme. Like I said, BOTH sides of the story are important to corporate into it. Your talks of SELF is a fine suggestion in theory, and I really do agree with most of the things you say, but I don't see monologs in that form helping people much in practice. It often comes off as patronising and turns people off before they have a chance to really read into what you are saying. Understand what I mean? I believe these things are rarely to never achieved while we are in human form, and some compromises in life and relationships are bound to happen. I suggest a bit softer approach - not because we want you to beat around the bush and kiss our behinds so to speak, but because of this: if we should be completely open to your view of our own experience, then you should also accept that some of us that are actually going through it might have a different take on it; or in my particular case, pretty much the SAME take with a slightly different spin.

Regards,

Anima :hug3:

Anima
23-11-2010, 01:36 PM
I am in agreement with psychoslice on this debate about TF's and SM's and I see him completely differently than what anima wrote about him. I do not wish to put words in his mouth, but I do not think he has anything against romantic love and expressing love towards another. He was just merely stating that the priority is to find the love within oneself first, then to look to another to express that love with who has also found the love within themselves. When there is a large number of men and women who can fit this criteria of finding the love within, then there are many candidates who can qualify as a "soulmate" not just one unique person in the whole universe.

Unfortunately, not many have found the love within themselves so when it happens between those who have, it must feel like "she is the one for me! my soulmate! my twin flame!"

The whole concept of "soulmates" IMO is not so much in finding that one "individual" but of reaching that level of spirituality that psychoslice speaks of and to be able express the love he speaks of with another who is at the same level. Its about what is within, not who you are with.

He was addressing the mentality of "there is only one prince/princess in the world that can fulfill me and we need to find each other to complete each other, make a lifetime committment and live happily ever after". Nothing wrong with it if that is your desire and level, but I must say that I find that very quaint and naive as well.

The only exception to this I can see is if 2 souls agree before coming to this life to experience love and spend their lives together but I dont feel this happens often. If this is the case, I believe that they will not have a difficult time finding one another and re-incarnate appropriately to make it happen. To obsess about searching for your TF or your SM is exactly that, an obsession.

I see exactly what you mean, SeaZen, and I agree, but my particular issue with Psychoslice's posts is not his theories as much as his approach - he ALWAYS addesses the same "in love" mentality, no matter what the story, and to me that is very generalising. The same talk every time means you are not taking time to respond to individual story and give practical advice, but you're taking another chance to stirr the thread with your opinion presented often in a sarcastic manner. Advice needs to be given CONSIDERING the state a person is in and the relationship dynamics, NOT downplaying it all by default. And most of the people that come here are not in obsessive searching - the soul connection experience has already found them with all of its hardships, and they are simply trying to deal with it. Also, most are aware they should let go, but just attacking something they are trying to work through is only going to make them defensive and is going to take away from the process of self-acceptance, instead of helping them reach that balanced state.


Because Gem, the experiences of this type of relationship are about acknowledging your own soul. That's all they are...and call it what you like, tf or sm...the naming of it (for purposes of catagorising) does not change the dynamics of the relationship.

Because, the experience we talk of, is the soul completing itself through the dynamics of a partner who also stands at this level of its soul completeness. And when two the same come together...the purpose is to complete the last leg of its journey and for both to uphold the Higher Good and share that out.

Because, those seeking a tf relationship are most likely not where they need to be for this to happen and see it mostly as a fairytale romance (ughhh...now i'm gonna get my a****e kicked for saying that)...you don't pick tf's out...they pick you..when your ready and have done the work.

Because, until you journey to find your soul and reach its pinnacle, you will not mirror it back to you (which is where the so-called "tf" comes in).

And until one experiences this (as debbie b's own experience has shown to be true) Gem, you will NEVER get what all the blah-blah is about on this type of relationship.
Its not about the relationship with another...its about the relationship with your soul.

A great post. You, NightSpirit, seem to have a dual approach I can completely agree with.



Anima :hug2:

17 yrs of separation
23-11-2010, 02:41 PM
What a devine God's gift such as soul connection has to do with Idealism or other Isms?
Unconditional means unjudgemental -unbiased as to the flaws and shortcoming of Other.

(Just remember musical genious J Lennon's devotion to scritchy scratchy voiced Yoko Ono? OMG! LOLOLOL)

I may not be as immersed in to the spiritual theories but I know in my heart it is the theories that pushed mankined into the collaps and brink of exctintion. Should we have governed ourselves by feelings and insticts....

Labels !? who cares what Order or Higher Mighty Soul Moon Neptun Connection we have with the Soul of Other. If it wasn't for that experience where the proof of Devine God would be for us Humans? I have never felt so in love with God until I understood an unconditional Love I have been feeling.
I started my thread with a straight out blunt honesty that could make you blush..but for some reason this thread has turned into Ego Competition Olympics. Too bad. (:

Anima
23-11-2010, 03:18 PM
What a devine God's gift such as soul connection has to do with Idealism or other Isms?
Unconditional means undjudgemental unbiased as to the flaws and shortcoming of Other.

(Just remember musical genious J Lennon's devotion to scritchy scratchy voiced Yoko Ono? OMG! LOLOLOL)

I may not be as immersed in to the spiritual theories but I know in my heart it is the theories that pushed mankined into the collaps and brink of exctintion. Should we have governed ourselves by feelings and insticts....

Labels !? who cares what Order or Higher Mighty Soul Moon Neptun Connection we have with the Soul of Other. If it wasn't for that experience where the proof of Devine God would be for us Humans? I have never felt so in love with God until I understood an unconditional Love I have been feeling.
I started my thread with a straight out blunt honesty that could make you blush..but for some reason this thread has turned into Ego Competition Olympics. Too bad. (:

Sorry, but I can't see how singling out two words from my post in such a way applies to what I was saying. The point I was trying to make WAS that labeling, generalising and idealistic approach to either extreme won't lead us anywhere, but that we should go by our experiences and emotions, and support eachother in our process of dealing with the complexity of the connection, and learning from it. I find it kinda sad that my efforts to explain my standpoint and actually find a common ground are called ego competition.

Anima :hug:

17 yrs of separation
23-11-2010, 03:25 PM
Anima
It was not about YOU.
Words such as "idealism" and "label" are not your registered trademarks :))
Everyone was using them.

This was a general comment about the spirit of the conversation which has changed from the light hearted naivity of my original post.

Understand ? Ljub

Anima
23-11-2010, 03:46 PM
Anima
It was not about YOU.
Words such as "dealism" and "label" are not your registered trademarks :))
Everyone was using them.

This was a general comment about the spirit of the conversation which has changed from the light hearted naivity of my original post.

Understand ? Ljub

I understand.

I guess I, too, am upset how the spirit of the conversation has changed, and it's making me jumpy. I'm sorry I took that out on you. When that understanding we have on this forum, for our common experiences, keeps disturbing by some factor, I feel oblidged to post, and now it seems it's only making things worse. I wish we could all make up and go back to gently supporting eachother.

Anima :hug2:

Falling Star
23-11-2010, 03:52 PM
One of the higher lessons of the twinflame experience is COMPASSION for all and everything.

We are all going through the same process, and this forum is a wonderful support for us all.

I know that i have been greatly comforted by reading of all your experiences. The posts have given me clarity and strength.

I love you all............and thank you all for sharing!
Maybe we have to try and understand those not going through these unions would not be able to understand............And leave it at that. (hugs)

Anima
23-11-2010, 04:07 PM
One of the higher lessons of the twinflame experience is COMPASSION for all and everything.

We are all going through the same process, and this forum is a wonderful support for us all.

I know that i have been greatly comforted by reading of all your experiences. The posts have given me clarity and strength.

I love you all............and thank you all for sharing!
Maybe we have to try and understand those not going through these unions would not be able to understand............And leave it at that. (hugs)

Wise words, Falling Star. Especially the last sentence. I really needed to hear that. Sometimes I get too passionate in defending what I, and others, are going through, because I have bad enough time dealing with it to additionally withstand criticism towards the way I am doing it. I apologise to everyone for any lack of compassion on my part.


Anima :hug3:

17 yrs of separation
23-11-2010, 04:09 PM
Falling Star, thank you for your wisdom. I wish for everyone to leave the post with an image of ...
J Lennon creating the music that changed the Earth and Yoko Ono howling (singing ?) beside him yet him loving her unconditionally because it is She who was the Light in His Soul.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Falling Star
23-11-2010, 04:12 PM
Hey i totally understand your feelings Anima.
*we're all in this together* And i understand the passion and frustration involved.
It really doesn't matter who doesn't understand us...........as long as we understand each other........And we do!!

Anima
23-11-2010, 04:18 PM
Hey i totally understand your feelings Anima.
*we're all in this together* And i understand the passion and frustration involved.
It really doesn't matter who doesn't understand us...........as long as we understand each other........And we do!!

*big hugs* :redface:

17 yrs of separation
23-11-2010, 04:47 PM
Oh Anima and FallingStar you could have kissed eachother at some other place and let ME ME ME finish of the MY thread MY way.
Hey Ego or not , I am Leo Tiger Personality A type or colour Red as per Insight psychological profile, thank you for accepting me just the way I am

luvz you:hug2:

SeaZen
24-11-2010, 03:00 AM
Ah SeaZen...thank you! I'm so glad slice and I aren't the only ones to see this all differently :D :D

Ah NightSpirit...thank you too! I am so happy to see that this "different vision" isn't differentiated by gender alone!

LadyImpreza1111
24-11-2010, 03:33 AM
Hey i totally understand your feelings Anima.
*we're all in this together* And i understand the passion and frustration involved.
It really doesn't matter who doesn't understand us...........as long as we understand each other........And we do!!


Stuff like this is especially refreshing to read. Thanks Falling Star.

To those of you who don't necessarily agree with the whole twin flame thing and start these debates in here which just fuels frustration in those of us who do (some get more frustrated than others)..............please keep that in mind when you post things. Remember what forum you happen to be in. This is a SOULMATE/TWIN FLAME forum. That is what we are here for. Some are here because they are truly in pain because of soul connections and seek refuge among those who CAN relate.........and then there are others here like me who don't need to be comforted, but like to be of help to others.

If you don't believe in this or just see it as people romanticizing soul connections.................well............No one can tell you not to post on this thread, though I can't fathom why you would want to unless you want to deliberately ruffle feathers.

That is why there are threads specifically where you can debate. I'm sure they have been pushed down and you can always bring them back if you so desire. Otherwise I don't see why you are here. Yeah, we might have to respect people's beliefs but its a two-way street. And when you offend people, you AREN'T helping them. You are just making them feel more frustrated and misunderstood.

Thats all I gotta say.

SeaZen
24-11-2010, 03:43 AM
I see exactly what you mean, SeaZen, and I agree, but my particular issue with Psychoslice's posts is not his theories as much as his approach - he ALWAYS addesses the same "in love" mentality, no matter what the story, and to me that is very generalising. The same talk every time means you are not taking time to respond to individual story and give practical advice, but you're taking another chance to stirr the thread with your opinion presented often in a sarcastic manner. Advice needs to be given CONSIDERING the state a person is in and the relationship dynamics, NOT downplaying it all by default.


I completely understand what you are talking about here Anima. It is a balance and fine line. I try to present my personal advice and assistance at the level of the individual I am assisting. But this is also a public forum that addresses issues in general for the benefit of all not a private personal one on one censored theraputic endeavor and freedom of speech is of tantamount importance. If one is not ready for this type of interaction, then they need to seriously consider not participating.

And most of the people that come here are not in obsessive searching - the soul connection experience has already found them with all of its hardships, and they are simply trying to deal with it.

Yes, I have already addressed this already. I was talking about the folks who never met their "twin" or "soulmate" and are obsessively searching for this, not the ones who have experienced this type of intense attraction.

Also, most are aware they should let go, but just attacking something they are trying to work through is only going to make them defensive and is going to take away from the process of self-acceptance, instead of helping them reach that balanced state.

Very good point Anima. I don't think that psychoslice was "attacking" but stating his truth whether the person is "ready" or not. What he said was not negative or "attacking" in the least but his truth. This is a public forum where all truths are examined, dissected and put up for debate. Anyone who participates here needs to be ready for that. If some forum members wish to seek out a therapeutic one on one forum with strict rules of interaction, then they should create one. From what I have read in the forum rules, this is not that type of forum. All beliefs are held up for examination and debate as long as you are not personally offending the individual and psyhocslice was definitely not doing that.

Hvala na vasu poruku! Vi ste vrlo mudri za vase godine i vas engleski je izvanredan! Nemogu ja to da kazem za sebe kad sam imao 17 godina. Svaka vam cast is sve nabolje! :smile:

17 yrs of separation
24-11-2010, 03:56 AM
I ja se slazem Anima je izvanredna zaista

SeaZen
24-11-2010, 04:17 AM
SeaZen....SeaZen....SeaZen........i am a 43yr old woman who until january of this year never believed in the concept of soulmates & didn't even know what a twin flame was. i am a married woman & in the past, led a very 'colourful' life so naive i certainly am not!!!
in january i 'connected' with someone on such an immense spiritual level that the experience near on drove me insane. we both recognised one another instantly & the mind meld was so strong we could finish each others sentences & when chatting on the net we would type the same sentence at exactly the same time.
i wasn't looking for him & he wasn't looking for me so how is that explained??? :tongue:

Debbie...Debbie...Debbie! What makes you think that this is the only person in the universe that you can have this type of connection with? The experience itself does not necessarily imply exclusivity. We as a species have a lot to learn about love and its various levels and to think we that we know and can explain it away as exclusive one and only one TF and SM connections definitively is naive IMO. What you experienced is real and I have felt it as well recently but I prefer to keep my mind open about this instead of theorizing and catgorizing and defining it in absolutes.

It is merely our experience at the level we are at now. Many women (and men), and Im not implicating you or anyone else on this forum, feel that they they do not know everything they need to about spirituality and are striving but that yes they have a great deal of knowledge of love and "know their stuff" so to speak. They may know what is right for them at this moment in their development but IMO they also think that they are at a the highest level of evolution in that regard. This is naive. They may be at the highest level of their PERSONAL evolution of love but not at a high level of evolution of love in general. Like it or not, we as individuals and as a species have just started to scratch the surface of the concept of love and have a quite a ways to go in our evolution and understandings in this regard. The sooner we can admit and accept this the better and quicker we will evolve.

I personally cannot fathom a race of highly evolved beings from another planet/civilization meeting their "soulmates" as soon they reach sexual puberty and mating and living monogamously happily ever after until death do them part. I can see some of them choosing that but not all.

SeaZen
24-11-2010, 04:57 AM
Negativity and pessimism ? Well dude I am suffering for 17 yrs I think I am doing darn well. And that is why I am here to get even better. Otherwise I would be in shrink's office which is in Canada not covered by our universal medicare BTW, they charge 250 to 500 CAN dollars for tiny hourly session.

17, I think you are doing darn well too! I didnt say you definitely had negativity and pessimism, but that in case that you still did have some to work it out. I nevertheless sense a sensitive defensiveness in you. Not only in responses to me but others. I am not trying to criticize or judge you, but only wish you well and am trying to help you and give you advice to get even better.

And for those who haven't found SM FM whatever what is wrong in yearing and are hoping as to find that bliss? That is not an obsession, that is a preparation for Love. I think Deb said it all. Rest my case. When did my beatiful record viewer thread turn into this? Oh I know when Pshycos joined Just kidding luvz anyways

There is nothing wrong with desiring that, but to place that yearning over finding the love within is obsessive IMO. If you find the love within first, then the soulmate will come easily. That was my point.

A question:
Have you ever experienced carmic unconditional love for a woman? Have you ever ever really really really loved a woman (B Adams-Canada)

:smile: This goes back to the age old question of "what is love". Our experience of love is just like our experience of our spirituality. It is very individual and happens to be at the level we happen to be at the time and is not some kind of ultimate plateau that some may feel we must all strive for that they feel they may have reached and others havent. My ultimate experience of love at my personal level had been one of extreme joy, soul connection and freedom and I have felt it with 2 particular females in my life who also felt the same way I did. I am very happy with what I have experienced thus far and am looking forward to whatever comes next. I do not have any expectations or requirements for that or the person but will go wherever my vibe takes me.

SeaZen
24-11-2010, 05:30 AM
Falling Star, thank you for your wisdom. I wish for everyone to leave the post with an image of ...
J Lennon creating the music that changed the Earth and Yoko Ono howling (singing ?) beside him yet him loving her unconditionally because it is She who was the Light in His Soul.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Thanks 17!

This passage really resonates for me, not just for our former homeland but for the world

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Anima
24-11-2010, 11:44 AM
To those of you who don't necessarily agree with the whole twin flame thing and start these debates in here which just fuels frustration in those of us who do (some get more frustrated than others)..............please keep that in mind when you post things. Remember what forum you happen to be in. This is a SOULMATE/TWIN FLAME forum. That is what we are here for. Some are here because they are truly in pain because of soul connections and seek refuge among those who CAN relate.........and then there are others here like me who don't need to be comforted, but like to be of help to others.

If you don't believe in this or just see it as people romanticizing soul connections.................well............No one can tell you not to post on this thread, though I can't fathom why you would want to unless you want to deliberately ruffle feathers.

That is why there are threads specifically where you can debate. I'm sure they have been pushed down and you can always bring them back if you so desire. Otherwise I don't see why you are here. Yeah, we might have to respect people's beliefs but its a two-way street. And when you offend people, you AREN'T helping them. You are just making them feel more frustrated and misunderstood.

You said it all, Lady. I wholeheartedly agree.

I completely understand what you are talking about here Anima. It is a balance and fine line. I try to present my personal advice and assistance at the level of the individual I am assisting. But this is also a public forum that addresses issues in general for the benefit of all not a private personal one on one censored theraputic endeavor and freedom of speech is of tantamount importance. If one is not ready for this type of interaction, then they need to seriously consider not participating.

Very good point Anima. I don't think that psychoslice was "attacking" but stating his truth whether the person is "ready" or not. What he said was not negative or "attacking" in the least but his truth. This is a public forum where all truths are examined, dissected and put up for debate. Anyone who participates here needs to be ready for that. If some forum members wish to seek out a therapeutic one on one forum with strict rules of interaction, then they should create one. From what I have read in the forum rules, this is not that type of forum. All beliefs are held up for examination and debate as long as you are not personally offending the individual and psyhocslice was definitely not doing that.

Hvala na vasu poruku! Vi ste vrlo mudri za vase godine i vas engleski je izvanredan! Nemogu ja to da kazem za sebe kad sam imao 17 godina. Svaka vam cast is sve nabolje! :smile:

Yes, people should be ready to hear all the sides of the story when they've decided to make a public post and bare themselves that way. And l, too, believe that arguing about the meaning of soul connections, and different opinions than that of the overwhelming whole should be left for discussion threads, not started in personal story threads. LadyImpreza stated it well. Giving different advice to deal with a connection is a completely different thing, because different advice still starts with the awknowledgement of the connection and its effects on the life of someone. Having an opinion about it is not tied exclusively to people who found themselves in a soul connection, but it is hard to grasp this kind of thing unless you are experiencing it. Psychoslice seems to believe the connection is not important, or if it is, stops being the moment you have accepted your inner self. I see that kind of attitude as limiting. We are not councelours here nor are we oblidged to be mindful of the individual stories, but I think we should still try to maintain a comforting atmosphere in this forum, since so many people come that actually need help and support that they can't get many places else, but are not in a good spiritual and emotional state because of the hardships that come with the connection.

Hvala i vama, za rijeci hvale. I vama sve najbolje!

I ja se slazem Anima je izvanredna zaista

Awwwwww, puno ti hvala! :redface:



Anima :hug2:

Dharma Employee
24-11-2010, 12:12 PM
well said ,

17 yrs of separation
24-11-2010, 03:02 PM
"17, I think you are doing darn well too! I didnt say you definitely had negativity and pessimism, but that in case that you still did have some to work it out. I nevertheless sense a sensitive defensiveness in you. Not only in responses to me but others. I am not trying to criticize or judge you, but only wish you well and am trying to help you and give you advice to get even better. ""
SeaZen, I forgive you for writing this.
Sensitive defensiveness in me not to you but also to others? What are you a spiritual lawyer representing interests of the people I do not agree with? How much you are getting paid for it? One negative carmic tie of yours broken per person? Give me a heavenly break Bro. Try walking in my shoes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XN85qpAUz4&feature=related (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3D0XN85qpAUz4%26amp%3Bfeature%3Drelated)
I would tell you about the things
They put me through
The pain I've been subjected to
But the Lord himself would blush
The countless feasts laid at my feet
Forbidden fruits for me to eat
But I think your pulse would start to rush

Now I'm not looking for absolution
Forgiveness for the things I do
But before you come to any conclusions
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
If you try walking in my shoes

Morality would frown upon
Decency look down upon
The scapegoat fate's made of me
But I promise now, my judge and jurors
My intentions couldn't have been purer
My case is easy to see

I'm not looking for a clearer conscience
Peace of mind after what I've been through
And before we talk of any repentance
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

Now I'm not looking for absolution
Forgiveness for the things I do
But before you come to any conclusions
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes

You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

7luminaries
24-11-2010, 03:39 PM
Dear LadyI,
Thank you for welcoming me. As I am a new kid on the block I missed out on your life story. Please refer me to the thread so I can enjoy it. Yes he is the tf or sm, at this point my dear Ladyi, I am not as interested in labels as much as into cleansing myself from diverting from the Path. Besides my celibacy I am also thinking about becoming vegan and staying away from eating the flesh of our lovely cohabintants on Planetary Soul Earth. Even if we do not reunite by being celibate, I can respect myself more knowing I haven't tarnished what is in my soul, thus I will love myself more. Hope that makes sense.
On the funny note, over the years, I must say I became an expert in faking big O. If there was ever competition on how to fake it I would win big time :)
Joking aside, I do acheive spiritual pleasure by thinking of him in my dreams or alone, I feel him and sometimes I feel love if I meditate. If you don't mind send me the message explaining your story ..Thank you once again xo

17, your story is very moving. Your personal decisions IMO reflect a great deal of spiritual growth. I completely understand your desire to remain celibate and I feel the same way. I read your description of labour, and I realised that many of us have experienced similar things. We have worked to get to a place of peace (not all of us for as long as you, but still...I have a few yrs of celibacy under my belt as well :)

You've worked for it...now you can enjoy the peace of mind and spiritual progress that are the fruits of your efforts.

Peace & blessings,
7L

17 yrs of separation
24-11-2010, 04:05 PM
7L,
Thank you. Blessings.

SeaZen
24-11-2010, 09:25 PM
Yes, people should be ready to hear all the sides of the story when they've decided to make a public post and bare themselves that way. And l, too, believe that arguing about the meaning of soul connections, and different opinions than that of the overwhelming whole should be left for discussion threads, not started in personal story threads. LadyImpreza stated it well. Giving different advice to deal with a connection is a completely different thing, because different advice still starts with the awknowledgement of the connection and its effects on the life of someone. Having an opinion about it is not tied exclusively to people who found themselves in a soul connection, but it is hard to grasp this kind of thing unless you are experiencing it. Psychoslice seems to believe the connection is not important, or if it is, stops being the moment you have accepted your inner self. I see that kind of attitude as limiting. We are not councelours here nor are we oblidged to be mindful of the individual stories, but I think we should still try to maintain a comforting atmosphere in this forum, since so many people come that actually need help and support that they can't get many places else, but are not in a good spiritual and emotional state because of the hardships that come with the connection.

Hvala i vama, za rijeci hvale. I vama sve najbolje


I agree with what you say here, I guess those who debated the validity of TFs and SMs in and of themselves are in the wrong thread and should find the appropriate one. For the record, I do believe in those kinds of powerful connections and never doubted them, I just think its possible that there are more than one individual in the universe that can cause these types of feelings in us. But because the world is so vast and unpredictible, you are probably better off sticking with the one you first meet. :smile:

SeaZen
24-11-2010, 09:51 PM
"17, I think you are doing darn well too! I didnt say you definitely had negativity and pessimism, but that in case that you still did have some to work it out. I nevertheless sense a sensitive defensiveness in you. Not only in responses to me but others. I am not trying to criticize or judge you, but only wish you well and am trying to help you and give you advice to get even better. ""
SeaZen, I forgive you for writing this.
.

Thanks, but it was never meant to harm you or criticize you

Sensitive defensiveness in me not to you but also to others? What are you a spiritual lawyer representing interests of the people I do not agree with? How much you are getting paid for it? One negative carmic tie of yours broken per person? Give me a heavenly break Bro. Try walking in my shoes

I would like to explain myself further but I feel it would be better at this point to just let the matter drop for the sake of harmony.

Anima
24-11-2010, 09:58 PM
I agree with what you say here, I guess those who debated the validity of TFs and SMs in and of themselves are in the wrong thread and should find the appropriate one. For the record, I do believe in those kinds of powerful connections and never doubted them, I just think its possible that there are more than one individual in the universe that can cause these types of feelings in us. But because the world is so vast and unpredictible, you are probably better off sticking with the one you first meet. :smile:

I also agree there. But since they can be overwhelming, it's better to deal with them one at a time! Your last sentence made me laugh. :D

I would like to explain myself further but I feel it would be better at this point to just let the matter drop for the sake of harmony.

Unrelated to what you were responding to... That's how I've been feeling for days now. I think from now on I'll drop the matter more often and concentrate on the things inside of me. Seems to work out better and cause a lot less stress, hehe.

Anima :hug3:

SeaZen
25-11-2010, 02:11 AM
I also agree there. But since they can be overwhelming, it's better to deal with them one at a time! Your last sentence made me laugh. :D


Though it wasn't my initial intention, I am nevertheless very happy to know that I spread some laughter! That is the best thing to spread! :smile:

Unrelated to what you were responding to... That's how I've been feeling for days now. I think from now on I'll drop the matter more often and concentrate on the things inside of me. Seems to work out better and cause a lot less stress, hehe.

Yes it does!

Anima :hug3:

Thanks Anima... A big hug back at ya! :hug3:

17 yrs of separation
25-11-2010, 02:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8opuBUjkcbU&feature=related

psychoslice
25-11-2010, 03:14 AM
Hi 17 years of separation, I see you like John Lennons Imagine, I thought you might like to hear my song i wrote with the influence of John, its called Imagine (Hand In Hand)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBBrvo4BGoY

17 yrs of separation
25-11-2010, 03:28 AM
Psychos, YES YES DA OUI I CAN IMAGINE
What a beautiful treat as to end my spiritualy turbulent day

I think if millions of people would chant and mantra this song at the same time, the level of human
Consciousness
would rise up, and many souls would be healed that way...

Thank you !

NightSpirit
25-11-2010, 08:42 AM
Hi 17 years of separation, I see you like John Lennons Imagine, I thought you might like to hear my song i wrote with the influence of John, its called Imagine (Hand In Hand)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBBrvo4BGoY

Tis a beautiful song Slice :hug3:

17 yrs of separation
25-11-2010, 02:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIxEISCUN3k

Hold my hand. Miss you MJ.

debbie.b
25-11-2010, 02:35 PM
just emailed you 17....sent you some pics too ;-)

debbie.b
25-11-2010, 02:36 PM
Hi 17 years of separation, I see you like John Lennons Imagine, I thought you might like to hear my song i wrote with the influence of John, its called Imagine (Hand In Hand)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBBrvo4BGoY

lovely psychoslice :D