The NDE, a Greater Truth

[Morpheus]

A Child's:

"I woke up in a place where the light was prevailing. I can't seem to find the right words to describe the light. Try to imagine the bright light of the day at noon, surrounding you from all over the place, nothing else but that light.

The one thing I could share with you is that any possible trace of pain or distress has totally vanished in such a place.
I was incorporated in that light, I (my soul) was reflecting the light, it was a wonderful feeling. "

"My wail had in the meantime become, so to say a "fake" one because of me now feeling the opposite way, because I was now feeling happy."

"At that moment in time I heard a voice asking me, "Why are you crying?"I looked around me and I could see somebody standing at a distance of 4-5 meters in front of me, as bright and shiny as the light that was prevailing in that place...

"I could sense , though that he was Lord Jesus."


http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/adrian_b_possible_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F NDERF%25252FNDE_Experiences%25252Fadrian_b_possibl e_nde.htm)


Involving true orgins, and a greater Reality.
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1. - http://www.angelsghosts.com/angels_what_are_they.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .angelsghosts.com%252Fangels_what_are_they.html)

2. - http://hiddenlighthouse.wordpress.com/category/descension/ (http://hiddenlighthouse.wordpress.com/category/descension/)


http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc383/th_435224932_AngelRobe_122_383lo.jpg (http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=435224932_AngelRobe_122_383lo.jpg)

[Ecthalion]

Nice story. I visit the NDERF site a lot. In it you will find Muslim accounts of meeting Allah or Mohammed, atheists accounts of meeting 'God,' Buddhist accounts of meeting Buddha.

I think it is all to do with our cultural beliefs. People interpret their experiences based on their beliefs.

[Morpheus]

Expecting you to post Ecth., expressing your opinion.
Now, attend to the links.

[Ecthalion]

Expecting you to post Ecth., expressing your opinion.
Now, attend to the links.
Glad I didn't disappoint! :D

The links seem to be someone's opinion on angels. Sorry, I found it not very interesting so didn't read much. Therefore I cannot comment.

[Ecthalion]

Here's an interesting NDE from the same site. It is the experience of a Chinese communist atheist. I do hope you enjoy it Morpheus :smile:

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/chen_m_nde.htm

[Miss Hepburn]

Ecthalion....excellent, wow, thank you.
Can't read enough NDEs!

:smile:

[Morpheus]

Yes, observed.

The anomaly will crop up, usually out of desperation.
After all, for the atheist and Marxist, there are no consequences.
Correct?
Which is errant perspective on their part, as the bulk olf the evidence reveals to us. Both in the ancient writings, and in the NDE.
www.nderf.org (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org)

As you have shared," Ecth. stating "you are the,"anti-Pauline", also?
Correct?
Which Apostle also shares his "Near Death" Experience in scripture.
( Acts 14:19, and 2 Corinthians 12. )

"The near-death experience (NDE) has been around for centuries. Famous figures such as St. Paul and Gregory the Great have captured the public’s attention with accounts of what it is like on the other side (Zaleski, 1987). "

"His description of the experience certainly appears to be as if it is a personal experience. This becomes even more apparent in light of the Bible passages that describe Paul's many encounters with near death such as in Acts 14:19."
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen02.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.near-death.com%2Fexperiences%2Forigen02.html)


"I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know - God knows.
And I know that this person - whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows -
was caught up to paradise.
He heard inexpressible things, things that people are not permitted to tell."
(2 Corinthians 12:2-4)


Got nothing from the links?
Yes, there is that saying also, regarding, "those who will not see."



Involving true orgins, and a greater Reality.
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2. - http://hiddenlighthouse.wordpress.com/category/descension/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fhiddenlighthouse.wordpress.c om%25252525252525252Fcategory%25252525252525252Fde scension%25252525252525252F)


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Thanks for sharing also, Mr. Hep.

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/brent_h_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/brent_h_nde.htm)

"NDE as a child.

"It seemed as if time didn't matter. his hair was white like wool."

"His blue eyes pierced through his face with flames of his love. His face was so bright, I couldn't see other facial features but I knew it was Jesus. He spoke to me and said, 'My son, my son, it's not time for you to come home yet. I have much work for you to do on earth.' He said it again as he put his hand on my shoulder. I felt like I was being sucked back into my body."

[Morpheus]

From A Youth's Experience:

Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?....
Yes I no longer sin deliberately.

At any time in your life, has anything ever reproduced any part of the experience?....
Yes Whenever people question whether GOD exists I am taken back to the experience.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/kelli_g_ndes.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/kelli_g_ndes.htm)

[Morpheus]

"Discuss any changes that might have occurred in your life after your experience:....Large changes in my life........

Did you have any changes in your values or beliefs after the experience that occurred as a result of the experience?
Yes I have had major changes, if it was not for this event I would be as secularized as my father is."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/eruera_m_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/eruera_m_nde.htm)

[Morpheus]

In the News. A book published, by an Instensive Care Nurse.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545668/Is-proof-near-death-experiences-ARE-real-Extraordinary-new-book-intensive-care-nurse-reveals-dramatic-evidence-says-banish-fear-dying.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545668/Is-proof-near-death-experiences-ARE-real-Extraordinary-new-book-intensive-care-nurse-reveals-dramatic-evidence-says-banish-fear-dying.html)


http://img227.imagevenue.com/loc416/th_733090694_aExpereince_122_416lo.jpg (http://img227.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=733090694_aExpereince_122_416lo.jpg)

[Rawnrr]

Very interesting

[Morpheus]

"The light was spilling into the room around the edge of the door and I could hear my name being called — even though I’m profoundly deaf,’ she recalled. ‘I got up to see what the light was, and turned round to see myself still in the bed, asleep."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547133/The-children-near-death-experiences-lead-charmed-lives-Study-reveals-youngsters-young-six-months-lucid-visions.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547133/The-children-near-death-experiences-lead-charmed-lives-Study-reveals-youngsters-young-six-months-lucid-visions.html)


http://img248.imagevenue.com/loc136/th_926296144_aChilds_122_136lo.jpg (http://img248.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=926296144_aChilds_122_136lo.jpg)

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/cathy_t_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252FNDERF%252FNDE_Experiences%252Fcathy _t_probable_nde.htm)

Child's NDE, recollection of at age 5 swimming in a "mudhole" in Maine, U.S.A.

"I opened my eyes under water, which I had never done before and still rarely do and to my amazement, I saw tropical fish and sandy beach."
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http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/marshall_l_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/marshall_l_nde.htm)

A City in the Clouds

[Tobi]

Here's an interesting NDE from the same site. It is the experience of a Chinese communist atheist. I do hope you enjoy it Morpheus :smile:

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/chen_m_nde.htm

Ecthalion, thank you for posting this. It is very moving indeed.

[Morpheus]

Yes. read it. Sounds like he is on the journey to Faith, and Truth.

He states:
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"I deeply believe in materialism and I strongly rejected anything that relate to idealism. Neither did I believe in God.
However I experienced an NDE and it has changed me completely."


Thanks for posting.

[Morpheus]

Yes. read it. Sounds like he is on the journey to Faith, and Truth.

He states:
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"I deeply believe in materialism and I strongly rejected anything that relate to idealism. Neither did I believe in God.
However I experienced an NDE and it has changed me completely."


Thanks for posting.

Seems like he left the (d) off of "believe". Doesn't it?

Change is the hallmark of the Experiences.

[Teal]

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing it:smile:

[Soul Searching]

I find this all very fascinating ........ we are afforded enticing glimpses into the next stage of our journeys ......... :smile:

[Morpheus]

In the News:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562857/Man-describes-walking-light-near-death-experience.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2F news%2Farticle-2562857%2FMan-describes-walking-light-near-death-experience.html)

"She told WJW-TV: 'His brain had no oxygen for 45 minutes, so the fact that he is up walking, talking, everything — I mean that’s amazing.' "

Man meets deceased Mother-in-Law on the way to Heaven during his NDE.
She sends him back.

From Nurse:
" 'His brain had no oxygen for 45 minutes, so the fact that he is up walking, talking, everything — I mean that’s amazing."

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/carlos_k_ste.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/carlos_k_ste.htm)

"I knew beyond a doubt that this was the Presence of what we know as "Mother Mary".
She untied every knot I had in my heart, purifying it and setting me free to "meet Her Son"."

[jerrygg38]

Nice story. I visit the NDERF site a lot. In it you will find Muslim accounts of meeting Allah or Mohammed, atheists accounts of meeting 'God,' Buddhist accounts of meeting Buddha.

I think it is all to do with our cultural beliefs. People interpret their experiences based on their beliefs.

Yes I was guilty of that as well. I interpreted my spiritual encounters as coming from God, an angel of God. Moses or Jesus. However the problem that I had was the inability of the spirit to answer many of my questions. It was very smart. It helped me solve engineering and physics problems. It showed me many things in the universe. However it became clear to me that the spirit I encountered was my own eternal soul. The same is true of those who see Jesus. Jesus existed in his time and place. He exists in that time and place upon millions of other Earths. He does not exist here. Only his memory within our eternal souls exist.
We pray to our own eternal souls. This is what we encompass. However the spiritual world does not impart with this information.

[Morpheus]

"...atheists accounts of meeting 'God."


If so, they then changed.
Change is the hallmark of revelation, enlightenment, and truth.

The worst confidence trick...Ego.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d0vtFja9GE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3D5d0vtFja9GE)

But, you go with that, then.

[Morpheus]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2314781/Believing-God-help-treat-depression.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.dailymail.co.uk% 25252Fhealth%25252Farticle-2314781%25252FBelieving-God-help-treat-depression.html)

"Faith in a higher being has been found to significantly improve treatment for people suffering with a psychiatric illness, according to research carried out by McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts."
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"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?.... Yes

What do you believe about the reality of your experience at the current time:.... Experience was definitely real...."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/john_k_ste.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252FNDERF%252FNDE_Experiences%252Fjohn_ k_ste.htm)

[Ecthalion]

"Faith in a higher being has been found to significantly improve treatment for people suffering with a psychiatric illness, according to research carried out by McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts."
Despite the link coming from the Daily Mail (usually unreliable for unbiased news) I can believe this.
Belief in God helped me through my depression.

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/heidi_c_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F NDERF%25252FNDE_Experiences%25252Fheidi_c_probable _nde.htm)

"I felt like I was wrapped in Angel wings. I had no physical body I just was.
I was surrounded by loved ones and other beings, they felt like angels and saints.

I couldn't see them but I sensed they were there surrounding me."

"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?....
Yes I am on a spiritual path. I'm trying to live as my authentic self and speak my truth. "

[Morpheus]

Re: Changes in Brain Mass.

Thicker brain sections tied to spirituality: study | Reuters (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fsearch.myweb search.com%252525252Fmywebsearch%252525252Fredirec t.jhtml%252525253Faction%252525253Dpick%2525252526 amp%252525253Bqs%252525253D%2525252526amp%25252525 3Bpr%252525253DGG%2525252526amp%252525253Bsearchfo r%252525253DReligious%25252525252C%252525252Bthick er%252525252Bbrains%2525252526amp%252525253Bcb%252 525253DAFA%2525252526amp%252525253Bpg%252525253DGG main%2525252526amp%252525253Bp2%252525253D%2525252 5255EAFA%25252525255Exdm065%25252525255EYY%2525252 5255Eus%2525252526amp%252525253Bn%252525253D77ed9d b7%2525252526amp%252525253Bqid%252525253Da40221a15 ecf4e4192f65b705f888bd1%2525252526amp%252525253Bss %252525253Dsub%2525252526amp%252525253Bpn%25252525 3D1%2525252526amp%252525253Bst%252525253Dkwd%25252 52526amp%252525253Bptb%252525253D1B8FC3D1-4C27-44D1-8CD2-5E5007B69BFB%2525252526amp%252525253Btpr%252525253 D%2525252526amp%252525253Bsi%252525253D7450%252525 2526amp%252525253Bredirect%252525253DmPWsrdz9heamc 8iHEhldEbofrcMn8tBjkl%25252525252F7dK841Z1ZhC25pQS HCauBApYssC%25252525252BO9e2zT8HUTtoS7rpravwVNc%25 252525252B%25252525252FPip7cKAU0mVqe1U3zbjHQSqj8Sl sjiTxk6kY1hNOw9t2cFDA0WyKpgasZshJpIFrUULkb0Y5mGBk% 25252525252BiV3qQo%25252525253D%2525252526amp%2525 25253Bord%252525253D1%2525252526amp%252525253Bct%2 52525253DAR%2525252526amp%252525253B)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/30/us-thicker-brain-sections-tied-to-spirit-idUSBRE9 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.reuters.com%2525252 Farticle%2525252F2013%2525252F12%2525252F30%252525 2Fus-thicker-brain-sections-tied-to-spirit-idUSBRE9)...


"Dec 30, 2013 ... Parts of the brain's outer layer, the cortex, were thicker in high-risk study participants who said religion or spirituality was "important" to them ..."
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http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/victoria_p_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252FNDERF%252FNDE_Experiences%252Fvicto ria_p_probable_nde.htm)

"I was surrounded by God and bright white light. God comforted me and invited me to heaven."

[Morpheus]

HEAVEN IS FOR REAL

First, of late from Hollywood, there is, "Noah". Presently screening.

Now, from a best selling non fiction book, "Heaven is For Real", about a child's account of Experiencing the afterlife while hospitalized.


Starring Greg Kinear.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1929263/

[Ecthalion]

HEAVEN IS FOR REAL

First, of late from Hollywood, there is, "Noah". Presently screening.
Interesting.
How does a fantasy film prove the existence of heaven?

[Morpheus]

Interesting.
How does a fantasy film prove the existence of heaven?

Yes, it is interesting Ecth., how you claim to not be the atheist, yet, you refer to such as fantasy. But, such is the nature of "the Wolf". As described by Jesus in the Gospels.

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http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/mary_w_nde_7170.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F NDERF%25252FNDE_Experiences%25252Fmary_w_nde_7170. htm)

"Did you seem to encounter a mystical being or presence, or hear an unidentifiable voice?....I encountered a definite being, or a voice clearly of mystical or unearthly origin:
I was being held in arms that I perceived as being Jesus' Saw only red garment and arms, but felt completely at peace and safe.

What do you believe about the reality of your experience at the current time:

Experience was definitely real. I have a relationship with my God today and hear Him through a still, small voice and through other people and signs."

[Ecthalion]

Yes, it is interesting Ecth., how you claim to not be the atheist, yet, you refer to such as fantasy. But, such is the nature of "the Wolf". As described by Jesus in the Gospels.
One does not have to believe the literal truth of the Bible in order to believe in God Morpheus.
Do you believe the story of Noah to be factual?
Also Adam and Eve, the Tower of Babel, the lifespans of the patriarchs, etc?
Personally, I see symbolism rather than a true record of history in the Bible. That does not stop me from believing in God. Rather, it helps me to believe.

[Morpheus]

Here is one among many Experiences, sprinkled amid the accounts, which intimates a negative being, or, Devil.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/daniel_m_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252FNDERF%252FNDE_Experiences%252Fdanie l_m_probable_nde.htm)

"I had no conception of time but many thoughts. The thoughts were of my loved ones. I had a heightened sense of awareness.
Another being appeared between myself and the first being. I could not see any lips moving but I heard the second being say, I have chains, locks and keys to those locks, he is not yours.
The expression on the first beings face became angry, then he disappeared.

The second being slowly turned towards me and smiled a warm loving smile. I at that very moment I knew that I was being sent back."

[Ecthalion]

Another account from the same site.
It seems that atheists go to Heaven
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/frank_g's_nde.htm
Link is not working. Please copy and paste.

[Morpheus]

"... I might as well include some of it here.... Rock n roll is not the evil. the world leaders are the evil. they don't want us to be one with god; they take away our right to pray; well, we better start praying with all our might right now believe me."


http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/christine_s_nde_238.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252FNDERF%252FNDE_Experiences%252Fchris tine_s_nde_238.htm)

[Morpheus]

"Now, in my experience I was ME but i wasn't "HANNAH".


I knew myself but not as Hannah. I don't remember what was spoken but I remember the feelings I felt.
All I remember him saying was, "it's time to go back now." I looked at him puzzled (Not remembering earth) and then felt a pain on my shoulder. When I felt the pain I began to travel through a tunnel...
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/hannah_f_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fhannah_f_nde.htm)

Mathew 22:30-31 -"Jesus answered and said unto them, ' Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. ' "

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/domi_l_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.nderf.org%2525252525252FNDERF%2525252525252F NDE_Experiences%2525252525252Fdomi_l_probable_nde. htm)

From France. From someone who is not familiar with the Bible.

"I knew things that I never learned and others that I was hiding. The superior power is existing and we have to do what it is saying...
and I believe that at a certain moment I knew that I had to come back, as I was lacking knowledge, but that I would have a hard time on earth, and that I also had to get through it, and that this was nothing in comparison to what was following."
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"9 but according as it is written,
Things which eye has not seen, and ear not heard, and which have not come into man's heart,
which God has prepared for them that love him,"


2Corinthians 2

St. Paul...who himself tells us of his own NDE.
Acts 14:19. - 2 Corinthians 12.
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A Testimony of "regeneration"; Born again, post NDE:

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/francis_g_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252FNDERF%252FNDE_Experiences%252Ffranc is_g_nde.htm)

John 3:3 -
Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God."

[Morpheus]

Here are a couple of Experience accounts to scrutinize concerning opinion vs. fact, or subjective perception vs. objective reality.

In the first one, from Leslie, the Experiencer speaks of being sure God exists, but not being, "religious"... but rather "spiritual".

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/leslie_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.nderf.org%25252525252525252525252FNDERF %25252525252525252525252FNDE_Experiences%252525252 52525252525252Fleslie_probable_nde.htm)

"Are there one or several parts of your experience that are especially meaningful or significant to you? The entire experience was meaningful to me. I feel that if I did not have that experience as a child that I would no longer believe in God."

The reason they cite that they are not "religious" is that they are not, "manipulated to live right."
?
Does this mean that they, after their life changing Experience, no longer feel the need to "live right"? Doubt that...
They are citing their subjective opinion, then, on what is "religious", and what is "spiritual".
A matter of personal perception.
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Sylvie

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"During your experience, did you encounter any other specific information / awareness that you have not shared in other questions that is relevant to living our earthly lives? Yes That we are all connected, that what each well-intentioned person does individually and who is giving love (universal), is contributing to improve the world."

And yet...

"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience? No"
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In fact... even though many subscribers to the Bible are not aware of it, her above statements about connections are verified in the Judeo-Christian Bible. Found in the Book of Ezekiel, Old Testament, offering indication of the nature of God.
Ezekiel makes a statement therein on how the Voice of God sounds like the rushing of many waters.

Many Waters, and "Sea", in scripture, symbolizes masses of people.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/17-15.htm
"Then the angel said to me, "The waters where the prostitute is ruling represent masses of people of every nation and language."
Revelation 17

http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/43-2.htm
"And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory."
Ezekiel 43

In this we see how the "Religious" Book, the Bible, does not contradict the understanding of underlying connections that exist in humanity, and, "the World".

(Material) "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistant one." - Einstein
http://www.einsteinsworld.com/ (http://www.einsteinsworld.com/)

We can see how the perception and perspective of religion being contrary to spirituality, or visa versa, is merely subjective opinion, and not based on actual fact.


Once again, the statements about the life changing affects of the NDE are reflective of Jesus' own words to the priest Nicodemus, in the Bible...
"You must be born again." Is this exclusive to the NDE alone?
Certainly not.

[Ecthalion]

You are trying to put a Christian spin on NDEs Morpheus, which is fine for you, but is errant.
I have been an avid reader of the NDERF site for several years and it is clear that people of all faiths or none, whether Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims or Atheists, all have similar experiences.
I was reading one yesterday about a woman who was a Christian before her NDE but has since become a Pagan.

[Ecthalion]

Here's a quote from an NDE I just read. The link to the full account is below.

Before the NDE I was a Sunday school teacher in a very strict fundamental church. After the NDE I knew that nothing was like I had always believed


http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/Bette's%20NDE.htm

[Ecthalion]

And another:

it does not matter what religion you believe in, if any. We are but children in the eyes of God, and as children, we are allowed to make mistakes, we are allowed to play, we are allowed to rebel, as well as disbelieve. As long as you do what you believe and feel is the right thing to do (no matter what it is), then you will be looked upon in a good sense.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/Tim's%20NDE.htm

[Morpheus]

You are trying to put a Christian spin on NDEs Morpheus, which is fine for you, but is errant.
I have been an avid reader of the NDERF site for several years and it is clear that people of all faiths or none, whether Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims or Atheists, all have similar experiences.
I was reading one yesterday about a woman who was a Christian before her NDE but has since become a Pagan.

Right, I've read of Buddhists and Muslims transitioning to faith in Christ, also.

Ecth., without reservation, and unwaveringly in all my posts, I have expressed Biblical and Christian viewpoint.
Though, how many times now have I posted that, at their essential teachings, all the Faiths agree?

They agree, - 1. There is a Creator... of Creation.

2. - There is more to life than merely this temporary and temporal material manifestation. Agreed?
And, in the "Construct" of, "Space/Time".
This is what the NDE is indicative of, also.
Which btw, is supported by modern Physics today, since Einstein.

Seems to me, rather, Ecth., that in your posts you are expressing hostile dissaffection towards Jesus, the Bible, and ( Judeo ) Christianity.

Example:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=69423 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D69423)

"The Bible is a wonderful piece of mythology. Second only to the Iliad and the Odyssey" - Ecthalion
Meanwhile, as it states in scripture somewhere...

"There is One God, and there is One Mediator between God and Man, the Man Jesus Christ."

Now since you have, I recall, posted that we ought to pay attention to the words of Jesus Himself, expressing faith in Him, I expect you would have no problem with this. regarding Who Jesus Himself stated He is. Involving the ages long prophesies in the Old Testament scriptures.

http://biblehub.com/john/5-39.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fbiblehub.com%252525252525252Fjohn%25252525252 5252F5-39.htm)

"You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. ... and it is they that bear witness about me, "

However, in double-minded manner you have also expressed support for Atheism, and atheistic Marxism... which is contrary, errant, and leads anyone to a perception of confusion, on your part.
Doublemindedness. Perhaps, dishonesty, and involving self deception. ( - Confusion).
Which involves subjective mindset, irrespective of the facts.

Facts, involving the archeological finds such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, among others. Which also you dismiss?

http://www.deadseascrollsfoundation.com/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.deadseas crollsfoundation.com%252525252F)

[Ecthalion]

However, in double-minded manner you have also expressed support for Atheism, and atheistic Marxism... which is contrary, errant, and leads anyone to a perception of confusion, on your part
The reason that I can see wisdom in many differing sources Morpheus, is that I have an open mind which does not limit me to one pre-determined set of beliefs. It is a wonderfully liberating way of thinking. Opinions and beliefs can and do change when I gain new information.

The support you say I gave to atheism was in defence from illogical attacks which were calling its practitioners "evil." Atheists are not evil so I will defend them from such attacks.
Atheistic Marxism you say I have also supported. I have not. I do have left wing political views and support most of the ideas in Marxism but not atheism, as you should remember from when I told you as much during one of our discussions.
I suppose that you only see what you wish to see and dismiss or forget the rest? I would say that such a way off thinking is "errant" and might lead you into "confusion."

[Ecthalion]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/frank_g's_nde.htm
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/GeorgeRodonaia's_nde.htm
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/marcia_ls's_nde.htm

Yet more atheist NDEs in which the experiencers are not "punished." It seems that God is not as judgemental as some of His earthly followers.

[Morpheus]

Here is what is not confusion, Ecth. Evil exists, as ought to be evident to anyone who is objective enough to see. It is not in any one system or belief.

It is about a fallen humanity, for which there is relief, and an answer, provided by God

Whether you acknowledge it or not.

[Ecthalion]

It is about a fallen humanity, for which there is relief, and an answer, provided by God. Whether you acknowledge it or not.
So then Morpheus, as someone interested in NDE accounts how do you explain that these atheists who were not "relieved from their place in fallen humanity" were not cast into Hell? I mean, you do believe that atheists are condemned to eternal torment don't you, or have I misunderstood your meaning in other threads? Please explain.

[Morpheus]

If you take in all the information provided to us from the area of Science, as well as Faith, and the ancient writings, then the situation becomes clear.

What we see in the material and outer world is a manifestation of something greater, that exists apart from the material. Both good, and bad.
Also involving origins.
It began with something descibed involving the Angelic. A Fall.

So yes, that's right, Ecth. I've never stated there is no place of judgement, or a hell.

The NDE is but a journey, as ought to be evident to anyone, and not a final destination.
It is valuable regarding the indication, to all, that there is more and other than the material and organic world, and manifestation.
So people ought not to prize the outer and material world, their earthly lives, over greater Truth and morality.
Regarding the NDE, that is where it's value lies to humanity.

If you're unhappy with that. Sorry. It's the Truth.
Neither, Ecth., am I anyone's judge. However, yes, as ought to be evident, there is a Judge.

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/sandy_a_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fsandy_a_probable_nde.htm)


"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?....

Yes I was swaying from Christianity to Buddhism, but am a full believer I Christ.

Did the questions asked and information that you provided accurately and comprehensively describe your experience?

Uncertain I feel like there is so much more because it's ongoing. We are spirits! Not humans."

In the last statement, she is obviously talking about a greater reality and truth. Of course, we are humans... an evolved organic situation in the space/time construct. However, as Physics attests to since Einstein, time and space are illusory.

[Ecthalion]

Thanks for sharing Morph. Here's another:

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/scot_w_probable_nde.htm

"When I did began thinking about God, about the creator and about the bible, I did hear a voice, it said that book, all books, are not his/it's. He said his words don't come from books but from existence within the moments of life. Every time I thought about the bible, the same words came to me...'not mine'."

"Did you have any changes in your values or beliefs after the experience that occurred as a result of the experience?"

"Yes I was very self serving, I was derogatory towards people I thought were different than myself. I was a bit racist, I was stereotypical and judgmental. I had the absurd notion that I could change people and that if I cared enough they could see life the way I do. It was wrong to force somebody to see another's interpretation of existence. We all have a path to walk and at the end of it is the greatest treasure. The more pain you alleviate or create from those who pass your path alters a course you have yet to see."

Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?"

Yes I realize now that all religions started as a great way to commune with the creator. But, unfortunately, the divisive forces that divide people through football and branding use religions to divide people as well. God is something that is all of us, the creator imagined everyone of us, in all our different shapes and sizes and gives all of us a path to walk to reaching what we are to become.

[Morpheus]

Right, Ecth. Well, interesting "Rabbit", but please put your hat back on?

Shall we enter into then a tit for tat listing of Experiences? Should we accept all of them as genuine?

Here is the thing, I don't wholly invest myself in the posted Experiences, as neither should anyone.
I prefer to be well grounded in the Rock of Ages, you see. What is long established, verifiable and true.

But for the Christian, we can understand that the brunt of them are genuine, excluding fraud or imaginations, because St. Paul talks about his, as described both in Acts 14:19, and in 2 Corinthians 12.
Which many subscribers and believers in the Word still are not aware of.

Here is another Scott's Experience description which doesn't seem made out of perishable material, sticks and stubble, and rings of truth.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/scott_h_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/scott_h_nde.htm)


"... What amazes me is that how much of the Bible is correct as a base for understanding God. I didn’t find any conflict within the Bible and my near-death experience.
Instead, it helped better benefit from the experience by giving it additional meaning."

[Ecthalion]

I prefer to be well grounded in the Rock of Ages, you see. What is long established, verifiable and true.
So you only accept as true NDEs which support your beliefs, disregarding any which contradict them?
That's a very subjective way of looking at things isn't it Morpheus?

[Morpheus]

Well Ecth., haven't you voiced in the past that you reject those that support the Christian Faith?


Right, Ecth. Well, interesting "Rabbit", but please put your hat back on?

Shall we enter into then a tit for tat listing of Experiences? Should we accept all of them as genuine?

Here is the thing, I don't wholly invest myself in the posted Experiences, as neither should anyone.
I prefer to be well grounded in the Rock of Ages, you see. What is long established, verifiable and true.

But for the Christian, we can understand that the brunt of them are genuine, excluding fraud or imaginations, because St. Paul talks about his, as described both in Acts 14:19, and in 2 Corinthians 12.
Which many subscribers and believers in the Word still are not aware of.

Here is another Scott's Experience description which doesn't seem made out of perishable material, sticks and stubble, and rings of truth.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/scott_h_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fscott_h_nde.htm)


"... What amazes me is that how much of the Bible is correct as a base for understanding God. I didn’t find any conflict within the Bible and my near-death experience.
Instead, it helped better benefit from the experience by giving it additional meaning."
__________________

[Ecthalion]

Well Ecth., haven't you voiced in the past that you reject those that support the Christian Faith?


No, never. I respect everybody's beliefs, although I do reserve a right to question and challenge them.
I've been studying NDEs for years and I find that the accounts support all religions and beliefs (including atheism) equally.
There seems to be no subjective bias in heaven.

[Morpheus]

Right, so I stated I do not wholly invest myself in the posted Experiences, allowing for fraud, involving ego in human nature.

Another interesting statement from Scott's...

"This is what I meant when I said things are unbelievably simple, but yet mankind tries to complicate things, for whatever reason ... but it isn’t really hard to understand that God created evolution, so therefore you have both.
At some point, science and religion meet."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/scott_h_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.nderf.org%2525252FN DERF%2525252FNDE_Experiences%2525252Fscott_h_nde.h tm)

Rings true.

[Ecthalion]

Right, so I stated I do not wholly invest myself in the posted Experiences, allowing for fraud, involving ego in human nature.

Yes, you pick and choose and believe that any NDE which does not support your beliefs is a fraud. Is that a fair assessment?

[Morpheus]

I ferret out fraud, Ecth. Are you saying you believe all of the reports?

[Ecthalion]

I ferret out fraud, Ecth. Are you saying you believe all of the reports?
No. Some seem to contradict others, but I believe the vast majority.
What I've learned from them is that no matter what religion (or not) one follows during their life on Earth, there is only self-judgement afterwards.
Christians encounter Jesus, Muslims Mohammed or Allah. Atheists start to believe in God, Buddhists unite with the great consciousness.
People who experience NDEs seem to encounter an image which they can relate to from their culture. Maybe this is how their minds interpret similar experiences, maybe it is how we are gently welcomed into the next life, or maybe it is an hallucination.
I don't know which it is but the subject fascinates me.
I would like to believe these accounts (or 99% of them) and this is where I find "evidence" for my spiritual beliefs.
I appreciate the links you are posting Morpheus. I'm just balancing things out so that those who have never read an NDE are aware that people of whatever religion (or none) all have very similar experiences during an NDE.

[Morpheus]

No. Some seem to contradict others, but I believe the vast majority.
What I've learned from them is that no matter what religion (or not) one follows during their life on Earth, there is only self-judgement afterwards.
Christians encounter Jesus, Muslims Mohammed or Allah. Atheists start to believe in God, Buddhists unite with the great consciousness.
People who experience NDEs seem to encounter an image which they can relate to from their culture. Maybe this is how their minds interpret similar experiences, maybe it is how we are gently welcomed into the next life, or maybe it is an hallucination.
I don't know which it is but the subject fascinates me.
I would like to believe these accounts (or 99% of them) and this is where I find "evidence" for my spiritual beliefs.

I appreciate the links you are posting Morpheus. I'm just balancing things out so that those who have never read an NDE are aware that people of whatever religion (or none) all have very similar experiences during an NDE.

Well, or, at least some proclaim they see their respective religious icons.
Why not, Ecth., provide some instances of such. The links.

But then, you also ferret out those which you accept, and which you dismiss as fraud or imaginations.

While it is evident that the NDE is a genuine situation, one should not rest their faith and soul upon them. As people have noted, they evidence a journey, and are not the end all.
After all, few, it seems find themselves in a heavenly situation entirely, compared to those who experience it in part, and are sent back. Or some who are just surprised to see themselves apart from the body, and are returned. Resulting also in Faith.


What is clearly evident though, is that we are more and other than how and what we appear here, in, "The World".

As well, I've read and posted about those who considered themselves atheists, who have come to Faith and conviction by their Experiences. Some, who say they remain atheists, are contrary. As I've noted, change is the hallmark of this situation.
People change.

[Ecthalion]

Well, or, at least some proclaim they see their respective religious icons.
Why not, Ecth., provide some instances of such. The links.
I have done, but you only seem interested in the ones which support Christianity.
Most of the NDEs I've read support Christianity - I would say that is because most of them were experienced by westerners whose culture is founded on that religion. NDEs written by non-Christians have their own relevant interpretations.
Now, either they are lies intended by the devil to fool Christians (I very much doubt it) or they are honest accounts, just like those of Christians.
Interpret them how you wish Morpheus. If it makes you feel better to ignore any which don't support you beliefs then fine.
Personally I would prefer to keep an open mind.

[Morpheus]

Ecth. I think you could muster up one or two of those in the past. but feel free to list some, if you can.

[Ecthalion]

From an agnostic Jew:
Have your religious beliefs/practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
Yes. Absolutely. I was an atheist/agnostic at the time, and now I believe in a panentheistic reality - in which God both indwells and transcends all the manifested universe(s).
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/beverly_b_ndelike.htm

From an atheist:
The feeling was so nice and easy. Tranquil. I was so intensely in my mind at that moment—it's as if I knew everything.
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/Linda%20B's.htm

From a Hindu:
Did you have any changes in your values or beliefs after the experience that occurred as a result of the experience?
Yes. Before the NDE, my Hindu culture had always taught me about reincarnations and rebirths. But I had been taught that this series of lifetimes occurs one after the other, in a row. It was a totally new discovery for me to find that the mind can be switched to play different lifetimes at the same time. All my spiritual study and research started only after this NDE, when I realized that what I had known up until that point was only partial Truth
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/bon_a_nde.htm

There are hundreds, nay, thousands of similar stories which are experienced by people of every religion and people with no religion.

[Morpheus]

Good citings, Ecth. I posted about also, concerning the Hindu citing, how if Time is illusory as Physics has been saying, then Reincarnation really involves multiple worlds theory. All lifetimes concurrent.

However, concerning the Experience you cite as from an Atheist?
I see she states the following...

"When my eyes had had their fill, the scene went blank (not dark) and the same voice asked me…."Well, Linda, what do you believe?" At that, I woke up and took a deep breath in.
I opened my eyes to a nurse and, with the most beautiful feeling I have ever had, I smiled at her and told her that there is a God,
"and He loves you!"


That's not an atheist, Ecth. Sorry. ?

For the viewrship, here again is the Index section of NDERF.org - wherein there are many Experiences listed.

http://www.nderf.org/site_index.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2Fsite_i ndex.htm)

[Ecthalion]

"When my eyes had had their fill, the scene went blank (not dark) and the same voice asked me…."Well, Linda, what do you believe?" At that, I woke up and took a deep breath in. ]I opened my eyes to a nurse and, with the most beautiful feeling I have ever had, I smiled at her and told her that there is a God,and He loves you.

That's not an atheist, Ecth. Sorry. ?
Your quote is from after her experience. When she had her NDE she was an atheist.
My point remains: atheists have the same kind of NDE as everyone else.
After the experience they cease to be atheists (usually, although there are some cases when they don't).

[knightofalbion]

Your quote is from after her experience. When she had her NDE she was an atheist.
My point remains: atheists have the same kind of NDE as everyone else.
After the experience they cease to be atheists (usually, although there are some cases when they don't).

A very good point. In the afterlife what religion you followed doesn't give you any extra kudos or rank. You are known for what and who you are as a person.

[Morpheus]

Your quote is from after her experience. When she had her NDE she was an atheist.

My point remains: atheists have the same kind of NDE as everyone else.
After the experience they cease to be atheists (usually, although there are some cases when they don't).

Sure. As I stated Ecth. And, knight...
"Change" is the Hallmark of the Experiences.

Jesus also stated to the religious priest, Nicodemus, "You must be born again." Who was puzzled by it.

Once again, also, "Religion" is simply a group of people agreeing with each other about the Divine. Demonstrating and practicing that in certain manner.
Although also, Marxist Communisim has been referred to as a religion, true? As has Atheism, generally.

Loosely as well, one's behavior and practice in life, is referred to as their, "Religion".

[Ecthalion]

Once again, also, "Religion" is simply a group of people agreeing with each other about the Divine. Although also, Communisim has been referred to as a religion, true? As has Atheism, general Loosely as well, one's behavior and practice in life, is referred to as their, "Religion
Not sure exactly what your point is there Morpheus, but yes, atheists, communists, agnostics, conservatives, Hindus, socialists, Buddhists, liberals, Jews, nationalists, Muslims, democrats, Christians, republicans, pagans and royalists all have similar experiences.

[Morpheus]

An unusual NDE.

"I’ve always been a devout atheist, but what I was told about Jesus, as well as the possibility of a universal intelligence, made me seriously question my own beliefs. Was I brain washed?
Yes, but gently. They wanted me to know that life is not just a scientific miracle due to chance and coincidence, but a reality thanks to a creator."

http://www.fatemag.com/my-proof-of-survival-a-skeptics-afterlife-education/ (http://www.fatemag.com/my-proof-of-survival-a-skeptics-afterlife-education/)

[Morpheus]

This article in the Daily Mail is slightly errant. It should read "The First Clinically Observed NDE Recorded". Not, the first or oldest, strictly speaking.

"He describes these elements as awareness of being dead, positive emotions, out of body experience, the feeling of moving through a tunnel, communication with light, observation of colours of a celestial landscape, meeting with deceased people and a life review."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2705645/In-Kingdom-Blessed-Oldest-near-death-experience-reported-discovered-inside-18th-century-medical-text.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2F sciencetech%2Farticle-2705645%2FIn-Kingdom-Blessed-Oldest-near-death-experience-reported-discovered-inside-18th-century-medical-text.html)

In the Bible, St. Paul tells us about his... which occurred due to a stoning, as recorded in Acts 14:19, which he relates later in 2 Corinthians 12.
There is at least one other from ancient times recorded also, from a soldier who apparently died, and returned.

[Morpheus]

Again, concerning the timeless nature of the NDE, and attending to what is the more real, and what is the less real. Involving the "Space/Time" Construct, and, "Matrix".


"We review the idea, due to Einstein, Eddington, Hoyle and Ballard, that time is a subjective label, whose primary purpose is to order events, perhaps in a higher-dimensional universe. In this approach, all moments in time exist simultaneously, but they are ordered to create the illusion of an unfolding experience by some physical mechanism. This, in the language of relativity, may be connected to a hypersurface in a world that extends beyond spacetime. Death in such a scenario may be merely a phase change."

Paul S. Wesson, Dept. of Physics and Astronomy, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
Subjects: General Physics (physics.gen-ph); General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc)
Cite as: arXiv:0905.0119v1 [physics.gen-ph]

Parhamensa Yogananda ~ Author of, "Autobiography of a Yogi"...

"Death is only an experience in which you are meant to learn a great lesson. You cannot die."

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/gary_j_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/gary_j_nde.htm)

"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
....Uncertain I believe my core Catholic teachings. The "real" words of God and Christ."

[Morpheus]

From Dan's NDE account:

"Have your religious beliefs/practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?

Yes I returned to the Christian Faith of my youth."

[Morpheus]

"Now I believe in God with all my heart and I'm so grateful for this new opportunity in my life. I don't regret what I did, because that is what brought me to know my God."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/blanca_n_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fblanca_n_probable_nde.htm)

"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
Yes. I trust in and speak with God every night."

"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
Yes As I had not been brought up in any religion, I understood after the experience that God exists, as well as eternal life. I didn't 'convert' to Catholicism, but, since the encounter with my friend deceased in 1922, I completely adhere to the Christian values."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/henrietta_j_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/henrietta_j_nde.htm)
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NDE at age 6 weeks old due to flu during drive to hospital.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/olivia_e_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Folivia_e_nde.htm)

"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
....Yes"

[Morpheus]

"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?....
Yes I trust in the spirit world/it offers many good teachings

I validate the religious world in that the spirit world must have vessels/rituals within which to communicate/facilitate."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/maggie_s_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/maggie_s_nde.htm)

[paradigm13]

If this is a sticky for NDE research this would be a good link as well.
Over 100 videos of NDEs which I think are a little more believable at least for me as anyone can just write a story be anonymous.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NDEaccounts/videos

[Morpheus]

Thankyou Paradigm, for the comprehensive link.

[Morpheus]

"At that place Jesus came and gave me a beautiful child. Because I loved my father God so much, I did not want to come out of anesthesia. I had a wonderful time with God, calling him “Daddy. Daddy”... Although I did not see God, I could feel how good he was and how much I liked him."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/park_sang_hee's_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fpark_sang_hee%26%2339%3**_nde. htm)

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"Did you have a sense of knowing special knowledge, universal order and/or purpose?

Yes Beyond space-time dimensions -- more like omniversal experience."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/paul_h_probable_ndes.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/paul_h_probable_ndes.htm)

[Morpheus]

"Have your religious beliefs/practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
Yes I attend church now on a regular basis and read the bible regularly which I did not do before."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/quinton_t's_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/quinton_t's_nde.htm)

[mArIya]

how beautiful :)

Thanks for sharing your experiences

[Morpheus]

Well, thankyou for your contribution, "Mr. Newbie".

Thre is no encouragement by any means of suicide. Don't know why you say so. As is stated also from the website where most of these accounts here, are taken.
What I'm expressing here mainly is the reality of Heaven, that Life continues past this illusory material realm and sphere, and involving also the illustration of what is considered as fact in Physics today -
That being the illusory aspect of linear time. The perception thereof.

This is about Hope for peoplewith a greater understanding of things, and for people who might otherwise despair when things seem dire.

Meanwhile, "the latest and greatest spiritual thing"??? All you are saying is that you are not familiar with the history of the Experiences. Which are now abundantly shared since the advent of first, modern CPR techniques... and secondly, the Internet.
Such as with YouTube.
Not to mention the many books which have been written.

Let alone the thousands of accounts shared at the website,
www.nderf.org (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.nderf.org) , and since the late nineties.

Welcome to the Forum.
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how beautiful :)

Thanks for sharing your experiences

Welcome Lovey! Glad you are enjoying.

[Aeracura222]

I believe there is something miraculous behind all of this, that God, our higher-selves, our soul family are watching us. <3 "Life" certainly doesn't end when we die.

[Morpheus]

Hi Aeracura. I think it can be well determined today that "Life" is much more than this physical/organic spectrum, within limited time and space.

[Morpheus]

Another reference and example of the greater truth and reality involving Eternity, or, the timeless...


"At this point it felt as if I was being stretched really fast to the point I was doubling in size every second or perhaps my vantage point was expanding. In this state I felt timeless, it felt like a eternity could have passed yet I was still aware of the now."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/joshua_l_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252FNDERF%252FNDE_Experiences%252Fjoshu a_l_nde.htm)

"...however I am very grateful to have had this experience and be able to share with others so they may embrace in the knowledge there is definitely something else in store for our immortal souls."

[Morpheus]

Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?....
Yes God does exist and you need to spread love to "thy neighbor".


www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/wendy_g_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/wendy_g_nde.htm)

Regarding Time:

"She said a blink of an eye could be 80 years in our time but that time was man made.
There is no time here. I understood what she meant. I said that I wanted to stay and she said it is not your time."

[Morpheus]

"(Jesus), told me other things that I cannot remember.
I remember being in the hospital room and realizing that I was not in my body. I remember seeing a baby. I no longer felt sick or scared. It was very peaceful, and I knew I would be okay. When I returned to my body, I felt stronger, and I got well."


"Have your religious beliefs/practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
Yes "

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/paul_p_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F NDERF%25252FNDE_Experiences%25252Fpaul_p_nde.htm)

[Aerin328]

Thank you for all these posts. I too feel that there is significant benefit in sharing the consistent message that is communicated to us by those who have NDEs. It's a wonder to me that more in our society have not been drawn to expand the consensus worldview based on this and other consistent data that exists about the "other side." Fortunately sites like this one serve that important purpose! So thank you Morpheus for your service.

[Morpheus]

Thanks for your comments, Aerin, and welcome.

The issue, I've realized, has to do with what I refer to as "Ground Level" issues, and perception.
"Inurement", or habituation to this mortal sphere, about which much is written in the Ancient teachings, and writings.

[Aerin328]

Morpheus, wise response. I consider the "Inurement" you speak of to be something of a "natural response" when consciousness incarnates under such constraints. This environment is... exacting. And subsequently it's very good to be reminded of what we really are. Like being in a dream, and someone in that dream on a forum somewhere on a random Wednesday saying subtley: "hey- remember you're dreaming?" ;)

[Morpheus]

Morpheus, wise response. I consider the "Inurement" you speak of to be something of a "natural response" when consciousness incarnates under such constraints. This environment is... exacting. And subsequently it's very good to be reminded of what we really are. Like being in a dream, and someone in that dream on a forum somewhere on a random Wednesday saying subtley: "hey- remember you're dreaming?" ;)\

Well stated Aerin! You should participate in the "Science and Spirituality" thread.


Because Physics tells us of higher dimensional space, and infinity, involving "Lightspeed", etc.

The foundation of all things visble, is "LIght".

[TesseLated]

Indeed....

Time is irrelevant...easily understood when you realize we are eternal. It's great to really walk around knowing that deep down. Freeing, I'd say....in relation to time. People do not realize sometimes how affected we are by the concept of time in our daily lives.

I've had profound realizations about Light and Connection...when I was 'manic' (actually going through Spiritual Emerge-ncy).....which sound similar to all of these...not a NDE...but a huge shift in Consciousness.

[Morpheus]

That's a great profile quote, Tesse!

NELE S.A.'s Experience 11/16/04

'My wife, aged eighty-two, two days before she died, visited me at my breakfast table, entering at the closed door and stopped at my side. She was absolutely beautiful and looked age thirty, not eighty two.
Looking at me, and pointing hard at her chest, she said very plainly, "This is the real me, the other, (meaning her own body at the nursing home, sixteen miles away) is but a carcass."

www.oberf.org (http://www.oberf.org)

www.nderf.org (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org)

[Morpheus]

"Did time seem to speed up or slow down?
....Time seemed to go faster or slower than usual....Actually, time seemed suspended.

Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
....Yes I pray, believe in God. I know other "spirits" are around. Don't laugh or think I'm nuts."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/wanda_m_probable_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/wanda_m_probable_nde.htm)

[TesseLated]

I've been reading these on the site lately...many are so sweet they make me cry.

This is an especially interesting one: http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/julian_norwich.htm

[Morpheus]

Wow! Wasn't aware of her experiences or writings. Thanks Tesse.

What is made apparent to me in first observation of this is that it aligns with John's statement that, "God is Love".
I've alread posted about how God's means of reconciliation with Him concerns something inherent in mankind. Namely "Conscience" and involving guilt which is incurred in Life.
This doesn't mean that people who have "seared over their consciences as with a hot iron, as Paul wrote, to eradicate their guilt, are guiltless.

Some have done so, evident in their viewpoint and conclusion of, "It's all good", and, "there is no judgement". Which is errant. The Lord spoke about a garment which we need to clothe ourselves with, as in His parable about the Marriage Feast.

The below aligns with this also. Which comes from another culture, which also brings out the truth of the situation.

"The judgment: You are now before Yama, King of the Dead. In vain will you try to...deny or conceal the evil deeds you have done. ... the mirror in which Yama seems to read your past is your own memory, and also his judgment is your own.
It is you yourself who pronounce your own judgment..."
Buddha, 560 B.C. Holy Scripture:
Tipitaka Quotes from: (The Tibetan Book of the Dead)

Also, many people, including those of Faith, are not aware that St. Paul wrote in the Bible about his own NDE!
Evident in the verses of Acts 14:19, and expressed to us in 2 Corinthians 12.

So, we learn, and take in, the evidence of the Truth made apparent to us, from various direction.
Not merely from one source, individual, or group. But, the whole.
Which the profane, the inured, and the egoic dismiss, according to their own personal inclinations, and their self validating opinion.
Which ignore the consensus of the whole from various Experiencers, and the ancient texts, also.

[Morpheus]

"I don't know what happened. I was 15 year old, healthy girl and had quite typical teenage life. I have never had any major health troubles. Although I had some traumatic survivals. My twin sister died in prenatal period, then my father when I was 6. My family wasn't the best you can probably imagine but I wasn't very unhappy. My beliefs were simple, I was Christian going to the Church every Sunday..."

Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?.... No

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/sabina_possible_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/sabina_possible_nde.htm)

[Miss Hepburn]

Well, what do ya know, I just got a book on Julian and placed a quote of hers in the Ecstatic Poetry Thread.
From the link above on the Nderf site.
Nice link, Tesse. :smile:



COMMENTARY: Julian of Norwich probably experienced a near death experience on May 13,1373 AD.
Julian of Norwich, her real name unknown, lived in relative seclusion as an English anchoress (a type
of female monk)during the tail end of the middle ages. Although not a household name,
she has been revered by Christian mystics throughout the centuries. Few books survive from
that era of 641 years ago. Of particular note, "Showings" was the first book written by a woman in the English language.
I find it intriguing that
the first book written by a woman in the English language was about a near death experience.
The quality of Julian of Norwich's shines in both literary complexity and spiritual maturity.
In my opinion, the writings of Chaucer, her contemporary, pales in comparison.
Edmund Colledge says this: "Julian's book is by far the most profound and difficult of all
mediaeval English spiritual writings." (P. 22)
I will begin by relaying
Julian of Norwich's possible near death experience from her own words
sometime after she her last rites were read...
"After this the upper part of my body began to die, until I could scarcely feel anything.
My greatest pain was my shortness of breath and the ebbing of my life. Then truly I believed that I was at the point of death.
And suddenly at that moment all my pain was taken away from me, and I was as sound, particularly
in the in the upper part of my body, as ever I was before.
I was astonished by this
sudden change, for it seemed to me that it was by God's secret doing and not natural; and even so,
in this ease which I felt, I had no more confidence that I should live."

COMMENTARY: During this time of possible death, the room became black except an image of
the room's crucifix lit up by unnatural light.
Jesus came to Julian of Norwich a series of revelations, or showings.
The validity of these showings are based on transcendent revelations consistent with
modern day NDE revelations.
It is important that the reader note that Julian of Norwich was subject to a strict religious code,
both in belief and spiritual expression, consistent with 14th century Catholicism.
Perhaps the only reason she was not killed as a heretic was that few people read her book at that time.
Few took her book seriously, perhaps, because she was a woman in a man's world. In any case,
let's review a small sample of her writings.

[TesseLated]

Well, what do ya know, I just got a book on Julian and placed a quote of hers in the [/COLOR][FONT=&quot][COLOR=Black]Ecstatic Poetry Thread.
[FONT=&quot]From the link above on the Nderf site.
[FONT=&quot]Nice link, Tesse. :smile:




Yes, I've read it several times since that day. VERY interesting considering the time and her perspective...not being conformed to the strict belief of the times.

Did you get the book she wrote or a book about it all?

[wmsm]

I have spoken to many different people who had an NDE.

They all said the same outcome, they either had a choice to come back or were told they were not ready to die.

Because Scientists in a open brain operation stimulated the brain where past life recall happens, believed that this circumstance only belongs to the dying brain.

Yet many NDE cases also supported complete and notified medical death, to a returned state from death...some cases also reported complete health returned. Dr. Bernie Segal studied this.

My neighbor had a NDE happen to her, her Grandmother told her to return as she was dying from liver poisoning and told it was not her time to die. When she awoke, her liver situation changed. She previously was due for a liver transplant but then advised it was too late and she would die.

Instead she returned to life and was completely healed of the poisoned liver.

I worked for the quadriplegic society and a patient who I assisted told me about his accident. He said he was floating above his body, told by the light spirit that if he returned he would be crippled but he had a choice. He said that he chose to return because he loved his family and the thought of losing them overcame his choice to leave.

[Morpheus]

I have spoken to many different people who had an NDE.

They all said the same outcome, they either had a choice to come back or were told they were not ready to die.

Because Scientists in a open brain operation stimulated the brain where past life recall happens, believed that this circumstance only belongs to the dying brain.

Yet many NDE cases also supported complete and notified medical death, to a returned state from death...some cases also reported complete health returned. Dr. Bernie Segal studied this.

My neighbor had a NDE happen to her, her Grandmother told her to return as she was dying from liver poisoning and told it was not her time to die. When she awoke, her liver situation changed. She previously was due for a liver transplant but then advised it was too late and she would die.

Instead she returned to life and was completely healed of the poisoned liver.

I worked for the quadriplegic society and a patient who I assisted told me about his accident. He said he was floating above his body, told by the light spirit that if he returned he would be crippled but he had a choice. He said that he chose to return because he loved his family and the thought of losing them overcame his choice to leave.

Dr. Eben Alexander, a neurology surgeon, is one example of a medical person who sided with the dying brain theory, until he had his NDE, wherein he met his deceased relative in the Experience. Who he hadn't known, and who he verified afterwards in viewing a photo of her.

In a latest posted account on nderf, a related story, also...

"... After a few seconds or minutes I felt a warm glowing light, it felt so warm and so good. I met this person who said she would take care of me, I asked who are you, her reply was I am your grandmother’s mother.
This was a Person I had never met."

www.nderf.org (http://www.nderf.org)

[wmsm]

Self experience is the only truth any of us have had. We try to share our personal wisdom with others just to assist them to have no fear about death.

For too long religions have tried to scare us with unreal and untruthful spiritual stories, and human experience is now demonstrating to these evil hierarchical stances how untruthful they have all been.

[Morpheus]

Self experience is the only truth any of us have had. We try to share our personal wisdom with others just to assist them to have no fear about death.

For too long religions have tried to scare us with unreal and untruthful spiritual stories, and human experience is now demonstrating to these evil hierarchical stances how untruthful they have all been.

Another post exampling a simplistic misinterpretation of "Religion", from someone who does not want to face the Truth.

[wmsm]

Another post exampling a simplistic misinterpretation of "Religion", from someone who does not want to face the Truth.
What truth are you referring to...your own or humanity as a realistic review?

[Morpheus]

...Say's you've been on the forums since 2013? 39 posts?

[Morpheus]

"One time that I was there in the meadow a person approached and I went toward him. He had long flowing white robes on. And I remember the closer I got to him the more I felt, strongly, that I was going home, that feeling was very strong-of going back where my soul belonged.
He spoke to me.. knew my name.. and gave me a choice to come with him or stay."

"At what time during the experience were you at your highest level of consciousness and alertness?....
... In the experience very alert but in person I was at my least consciousness.....In person to others in the room I appeared at my least consciousness during these moments but in the meadow I felt extremely alert and conscious."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/victoria_w_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fvictoria_w_probable_nde.htm)
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http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/juanita_ndelike.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fjuanita_ndelike.htm)

"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience? No I have always believed."
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"I didn't go as far as some people suggest. My experience was short but was super hyper realistic a super hyper High Def version of reality. Again the most amazing aspect was the ability to hear and understand fully what everyone was saying and the ability to say listen to this particular doctor he understands."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/george_n_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/george_n_nde.htm)

"Are there one or several parts of your experience that are especially meaningful or significant to you? Again, All I can say is that I am not my body. I live separate from it what that means I cannot say."
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"It means that the Matrix cannot tell you who you are."

The Matrix, 1999 - Warner Bros.

[Morpheus]

This aligns, of course, with the ancient spiritual teachings, and what Science is revealing to us today...
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From a recently posted account.

Analise W

"Did time seem to speed up or slow down?....
No....No time was irrelevant. I was in another dimension."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/annelise_w_probable_ndes.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fannelise_w_probable_ndes.htm)

[wmsm]

Science is not revealing anything to us except a return to our own previous lived ancient history.

This is evidence that we are being de-evolved and destroyed. This information had changed in sound and imagery and we no longer were aware of what had happened to us all.

Since Scientists re-connected us to the gained ancient sounds, black body radiation trajectories began to burn. As they began to remove its evolved sound that these trajectories had gained over millions of years.

By reference they are converting nuclear stone mass and using millions of years of liquid taken from the atmosphere to use as a fuel.

Sadly this is nothing for any of us to think is a spiritual reality, it is our own spiritual destruction, as the message of Morpheus related.

Stone was being tunneled into by the invaders, that involved a mutated constant evil spirit body that was replicating itself.

Replicators by other movies also determine futuristic Earth life attack and destruction, sending messages back to current day life warning it of its own future gain.

Replication, artificial intelligence created by Science.

Nuclear, heavy metals, normally bound in stone and dealt with by angelic presences who protect us.....falling angels who keep it encoded into the Earth stone.....it remains locked.

Scientists unlock the matrix and we get attacked by it. Human beings spinal column connected to it, and our bone structure and nerve supply affected.

Our brain state and imagery changes as we are all gaining possession from the evil artificial intelligence.

This by witnessed evidence is what is happening to us all as we all OCCULT Scientists to destroy our natural angelic fallen angel protection.

[TesseLated]

Time IS irrelevant...one of my favorite thoughts.

When you're eternal...time has no meaning.

It is incredibly freeing and greatly conducive to living in the moment.

[Morpheus]

One good short video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5D9JRPfxq4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5D9JRPfxq4)

[kkfern]

Nice story. I visit the NDERF site a lot. In it you will find Muslim accounts of meeting Allah or Mohammed, atheists accounts of meeting 'God,' Buddhist accounts of meeting Buddha.

I think it is all to do with our cultural beliefs. People interpret their experiences based on their beliefs.

yup nde.s are very different in what is shown. that is you will see what you are used to.

an interesting movie is "what dreams may come" very much like what it is and how presentations are seen.

kk

[Morpheus]

Very amusing, kkfer/Ecthalion. - Applause.
Very funny.

[Morpheus]

Another interesting and short video by an Experiencer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwHPcXl27q8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwHPcXl27q8)

[Morpheus]

"Discuss any changes that might have occurred in your life after your experience:....Moderate changes in my life....I am more aware that my and our true home is in the spiritual world, not here...."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/marc_m_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/marc_m_nde.htm)

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"Is there anything else that you would like to add about your experience?....I am happy to share it.
Fear of death is the root problem of people
while there is nothing to fear from.
Also, many people are searching truth about it. It is a question whether is there life after death? It is not a question anymore for us with NDE."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/valeria_m_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F NDERF%25252FNDE_Experiences%25252Fvaleria_m_nde.ht m)

[kkfern]

"Discuss any changes that might have occurred in your life after your experience:....Moderate changes in my life....I am more aware that my and our true home is in the spiritual world, not here...."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/marc_m_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/marc_m_nde.htm)

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"Is there anything else that you would like to add about your experience?....I am happy to share it.
Fear of death is the root problem of people
while there is nothing to fear from.
Also, many people are searching truth about it. It is a question whether is there life after death? It is not a question anymore for us with NDE."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/valeria_m_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F NDERF%25252FNDE_Experiences%25252Fvaleria_m_nde.ht m)

i agree, i have had three ndes. there is sooooo much involved in the experience. sooooo much.
kk

[Morpheus]

My perspective is that the survival instinct of this limited organic situation in time and space, is the root of ego, and the cause of many violent situations that we read of, and observe, in the world.

[kkfern]

Quote:
Originally Posted by wmsm
Self experience is the only truth any of us have had. We try to share our personal wisdom with others just to assist them to have no fear about death.

For too long religions have tried to scare us with unreal and untruthful spiritual stories, and human experience is now demonstrating to these evil hierarchical stances how untruthful they have all been.

so true so true. part of my first nde included the need to no longer follow the faith of my family. it is like they are trapped in the lies, not the truth.

kk

[kkfern]

...Say's you've been on the forums since 2013? 39 posts?


hahahaha i do not see how this is relevant. i just joined this month. hahaha
it does not diminish what i have to say. to dismiss a fresh voice is not the truth.

kk

[Morpheus]

Me: ...Say's you've been on the forums since 2013? 39 posts?
hahahaha i do not see how this is relevant. i just joined this month. hahaha
it does not diminish what i have to say. to dismiss a fresh voice is not the truth.

kk"kkfer", that was stated to wmsr. You're identifying with him now?

ha ha ha, interesting Ecth.

Good times.


Originally Posted by wmsm
Self experience is the only truth any of us have had. We try to share our personal wisdom with others just to assist them to have no fear about death.

For too long religions have tried to scare us with unreal and untruthful spiritual stories, and human experience is now demonstrating to these evil hierarchical stances how untruthful they have all been.


Yep, sounds bout right.

[Morpheus]

"In the garden to the right were two people: one wore a white tunic and had bare feet. It was JESUS CHRIST and besides him was my brother who had died of a car accident when I was eight years old. When I reached them, my brother asked me: What are you doing here? And Jesus told me: GO BACK. it is not your time."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/lariza_gwt_possible_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Flariza_gwt_possible_nde.htm)

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"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
YesI have more faith than before."

[kkfern]

w
For too long religions have tried to scare us with unreal and untruthful spiritual stories, and human experience is now demonstrating to these evil hierarchical stances how untruthful they have all been.

morph
Another post exampling a simplistic misinterpretation of "Religion", from someone who does not want to face the Truth.





morph
Another post exampling a simplistic misinterpretation of "Religion", from someone who does not want to face the Truth.

w
What truth are you referring to...your own or humanity as a realistic review?

morph
...Say's you've been on the forums since 2013? 39 posts?

kk
this is where i do not see the relevance you were having a discussion about truth and then it suddenly stopped with something irrelevant.

kk good times

[wmsm]

The truth is that there is the real spirit after physical death, our healing.

We always have been a light spirit and fell into organic life formation.

Therefore in light are light beings. They exist inside of a huge main body of spirit. This body fell which formed our light DNA spirit selves who cause our spirit manifestation.

In origin this body being 2 different but equal bodies flowed into Earth's Nature at the ground level.

As they came out of the light the pressure of the atmosphere caused their light body to build up a manifested spirit presence, which it can still achieve today as a non organic spirit light being.

The sound in the atmosphere caused the light sound inside of the spirit to manifest into organic life. When organic life was completed the light spirit was cut off from its own formed life. This is why each human life has a separate and higher light self that is a continued flow into the life.

This light body as a sound keeps the life alive, as it communicates via light to our organic light sound. When this body of light is changed/healed it releases itself from being bound to organic life.

Therefore the NDE experience has demonstrated that human beings near death have witnessed both circumstances of being incarnate, leaving incarnation and also returning because of this existence.

Human beings who have been assisted when attacked, assisted us to know that we are cared for and loved by these light spirits and these forms of manifestations allowed other humans the comfort of knowing that our true selves are in the light. Death is only the circumstance where our light self has been healed from its fallen state.

[kkfern]

hmmm yet what i know from my NDE is that there is no fallen. there is no need for healing when there is no illness.

i saw the whole of the plan and there is no dividing into parts because we are partners. there is purpose to both existences.

all is well
kk

[wmsm]

hmmm yet what i know from my NDE is that there is no fallen. there is no need for healing when there is no illness.

i saw the whole of the plan and there is no dividing into parts because we are partners. there is purpose to both existences.

all is well
kk

The term fallen is a simple conscious self expression that related that light sound fell.

Because light sound fell inside of its own body mass, a circle was created inside of it. O is a formed sound body. Light sound then began to fall inside of it.

Therefore space is a held body of light sound that emptied out its own body, leaving a emptied shell condition. This is why we placate that space is dark light, the lowest level of light itself.

Earth is the hole. Earth was the last O sound body formed falling into itself. Therefore when Earth sound light converted into a burning form of light, the higher light body we called God formed a light plasma spirit body around Planet Earth. Even today you can see this body in the magnetosphere.

This was called by our own human language expression an angel, or a fallen angel, who fell through the hole from the above light mass.

This is why Planet Earth and its own atmosphere is in direct contact with origin light mass.

Our light spirits walked out of the light mass into life manifestation. Pressure in the atmosphere caused the light spirit body to be held, and its own light spirit kept walking into itself, building up the body mass to form an organic life.

When the mass loss of light spirit finished, it caused a separation from its own higher self. This is why all human beings have a higher light self, not incarnated but who is attached to the life on the other side of light...our true selves.

Light sound therefore fell, and light sound returning in the space body situation demonstrates it heals as it becomes cooler, gaining the returning spirit body around Earth. As it cools, the sound changes. This allows the higher light sound to also change.

This condition allows our incarnated self to finally gain release from life when the light spirit sound changes, no longer supporting organic life.

Therefore by spiritual review our light self is healed from its incarnated attachment. Therefore death is in fact only a healing and nothing to be feared.

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/nderf/1genny_h_nde.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F nderf%25252F1genny_h_nde.html)

"Do you believe in an afterlife after your experience?
An afterlife definitely exists i saw jesus. i know there is a heaven for certain!
What life changes occurred in your life after your experience? Moderate changes in my life my faith is even stronger now. i lost one of legs during surgery, but i dont care. i know i will be whole again when i get to heaven.

Have your religious practices changed since your experience? Yes I beleive the angels are guiding me and protecting me. I am happy and fulfilled in my spiritual relationship."
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"What importance do you place on your religious/spiritual life after your experience? Greatly important to me

What is your religion now? Christian-
... I feel the presence of the angels."

http://www.nderf.org/nderf/1glynis_w_probable_nde.html (http://www.nderf.org/nderf/1glynis_w_probable_nde.html)
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"During your experience, did you gain information about universal connection or oneness? Yes Does exist!

Did you believe in the existence of God prior to your experience? God definitely exists

During your experience, did you gain information about the existence of God? Yes I just knew that God existed.

Do you believe in the existence of God after your experience? God definitely exists."

http://www.nderf.org/nderf/1sally_s_nde.html (http://www.nderf.org/nderf/1sally_s_nde.html)

[kkfern]

he term fallen is a simple conscious self expression that related that light sound fell.

Because light sound fell inside of its own body mass, a circle was created inside of it. O is a formed sound body. Light sound then began to fall inside of it.

Therefore space is a held body of light sound that emptied out its own body, leaving a emptied shell condition. This is why we placate that space is dark light, the lowest level of light itself.

Earth is the hole. Earth was the last O sound body formed falling into itself. Therefore when Earth sound light converted into a burning form of light, the higher light body we called God formed a light plasma spirit body around Planet Earth. Even today you can see this body in the magnetosphere.

This was called by our own human language expression an angel, or a fallen angel, who fell through the hole from the above light mass.

This is why Planet Earth and its own atmosphere is in direct contact with origin light mass.

Our light spirits walked out of the light mass into life manifestation. Pressure in the atmosphere caused the light spirit body to be held, and its own light spirit kept walking into itself, building up the body mass to form an organic life.

When the mass loss of light spirit finished, it caused a separation from its own higher self. This is why all human beings have a higher light self, not incarnated but who is attached to the life on the other side of light...our true selves.

Light sound therefore fell, and light sound returning in the space body situation demonstrates it heals as it becomes cooler, gaining the returning spirit body around Earth. As it cools, the sound changes. This allows the higher light sound to also change.

This condition allows our incarnated self to finally gain release from life when the light spirit sound changes, no longer supporting organic life.

Therefore by spiritual review our light self is healed from its incarnated attachment. Therefore death is in fact only a he




never heard anything like that before.

kk

[Morpheus]

wmsm/kkfer, you are obviously ill. I do wish you well, that you come to understanding, and Peace.

Change is the hallmark of the NDE.

"Suddenly, without even feeling anything before, I found myself there in the surgery room. I asked myself what was going on, ...
and then I understood, and I told myself that there on the table was me.
One has to know that before those changes I was a most unpleasant person, very irascible, somebody quite different, opposed from what I am now."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/dominic_possible_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.nderf.org%2525252FN DERF%2525252FNDE_Experiences%2525252Fdominic_possi ble_nde.htm)

Also, Jesus stated to the Priest, "You must be born again."
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http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/janice_g_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252FNDERF%252FNDE_Experiences%252Fjanic e_g_probable_nde.htm)

"I do not push anyone into believing. I just tell them what I experienced. During this time, I have had several folks tell me about going down the tunnel into the garden where Jesus was. I have had only three men tell me about demons, fire, and hell. They changed their life after they survived."

[skygazer]

he term fallen is a simple conscious self expression that related that light sound fell.

Because light sound fell inside of its own body mass, a circle was created inside of it. O is a formed sound body. Light sound then began to fall inside of it.

Therefore space is a held body of light sound that emptied out its own body, leaving a emptied shell condition. This is why we placate that space is dark light, the lowest level of light itself.

Earth is the hole. Earth was the last O sound body formed falling into itself. Therefore when Earth sound light converted into a burning form of light, the higher light body we called God formed a light plasma spirit body around Planet Earth. Even today you can see this body in the magnetosphere.

This was called by our own human language expression an angel, or a fallen angel, who fell through the hole from the above light mass.

This is why Planet Earth and its own atmosphere is in direct contact with origin light mass.

Our light spirits walked out of the light mass into life manifestation. Pressure in the atmosphere caused the light spirit body to be held, and its own light spirit kept walking into itself, building up the body mass to form an organic life.

When the mass loss of light spirit finished, it caused a separation from its own higher self. This is why all human beings have a higher light self, not incarnated but who is attached to the life on the other side of light...our true selves.

Light sound therefore fell, and light sound returning in the space body situation demonstrates it heals as it becomes cooler, gaining the returning spirit body around Earth. As it cools, the sound changes. This allows the higher light sound to also change.

This condition allows our incarnated self to finally gain release from life when the light spirit sound changes, no longer supporting organic life.

Therefore by spiritual review our light self is healed from its incarnated attachment. Therefore death is in fact only a he




never heard anything like that before.

kk

I followed you until the last sentences. Would you explain "..death is in fact only..."
And, what do you mean by " never heard anything like that before"?

[skygazer]

Morpheus, add me to your list of "ill". I call it different stages of development.
We shouldn't turn against each other just because we are prodded.

After we've seen enough parlour tricks they no longer dazzle.

[kkfern]

wmsm/kkfer, you are obviously ill. I do wish you well, that you come to understanding, and Peace. NDE was when i was 10, second at 24, third at 45. each with a different cause and experience.
i have always had spirit gifts so the NDE is more accessible. and necessary on a life path such as mine. you know how children loose their connection to spirit as they grow, well spirit workers also have to energizer that connection.

see, i take your well wishing as a concern for my health instead of being evil minded and thinking something is wrong with me. that is just the way i am a clean soul. others that think in the sink always look for problems. thinking in the sink is like putting things in the garbage disposal where that kind of thinking belongs. what you say reveals more about you then it does about me.

anyway, yes change is the hallmark of an NDE so so SO true. even at ten it changed my direction in life. when i had my tonsils out, i was in the recovery room and i coughed. that broke the stitches and i was literally drowning in my blood. i jumped out of bed and ran into the hall to get help. i pointed to myself still in bed and said help her, she is drowning. nobody would help me. nobody could hear me. so i went off and played.

the angel that walked with me explained things to me. i was not like the man in your story, i was a very good little girl. the review of my life the angel played confirmed that. he said my being a good little catholic girl was stopping me from being a spiritual person. a person connected to god. when he sent me back he said i would change my ways. and i did. i was no longer limited by the church. i surpassed it.

born again, NDE, seeing the light, they are all a step above how you were before. spirit is not confined to only one religion or faith. it is all, just like god is all.

kk

[Morpheus]

kkfern, people can claim, in anonymous manner, anything here.

Truth and fraud. objectivity and subjectivity, are borne out.
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"Is there anything else that you would like to add about your experience? There exists eternity and we needn't fear death because I discovered it doesn't exist and we should believe in the Divine, on Earth and to have a spiritual basis."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/oswaldo_probable_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/oswaldo_probable_nde.htm)

[kkfern]

then the same is true at the sight you are referencing. the people you post about should also be put in question and doubt. but you believe them. there are thousands of them and you pull out the few that match your beliefs. because it is the gang mentality that feeds your faith. you can then say see i am right. others think like this too.

then what is born out is what you believed in the first place. to be born again you must change. i wish you change.

[Miss Hepburn]

... at ten it changed my direction in life.
when i had my tonsils out, i was in the recovery room and i coughed. that broke the stitches and
i was literally drowning in my blood.
i jumped out of bed and ran into the hall to get help.
i pointed to myself still in bed and said help her, she is drowning. nobody would help me.
nobody could hear me.
so i went off and played.

the angel that walked with me explained things to me.
i was not like the man in your story, i was a very good little girl.
the review of my life the angel played confirmed that.
he said my being a good little catholic girl was
stopping me from being a spiritual person.
a person connected to god.
when he sent me back he said
i would change my ways. and i did.
i was no longer limited by the church.
i surpassed it.

born again, NDE, seeing the light, they are all a step above how you were before.
spirit is not confined to only one religion or faith.
it is all, just like god is all.

So glad I ran across your post. It does follow my understanding, also. Thank you, kkfern. :smile:

[Morpheus]

kkfern, people can claim, in anonymous manner, anything here.

Truth and fraud. objectivity and subjectivity, are borne out.

"Is there anything else that you would like to add about your experience? There exists eternity and we needn't fear death because I discovered it doesn't exist and we should believe in the Divine, on Earth and to have a spiritual basis."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/oswaldo_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252FNDERF%252FNDE_Experiences%252Foswal do_probable_nde.htm)

The above was posted by a person of the Hindu Faith, at nderf.
Again, at their essence, the various Faiths and Religions align, and agree.

Hep? All the gladhanding and backslapping cannot change what is True.

[kkfern]

The above was posted by a person of the Hindu Faith, at nderf.
Again, at their essence, the various Faiths and Religions align, and agree.

Hep? All the gladhanding and backslapping cannot change what is True.



yes various faiths aline and agree. that and more. much more, for there is no death. there is life on the other side. seeing things with spirit eyes. we are in agreement.

all faiths, even mine. so why do you call me ill. you do not follow your own beliefs. shame on you.

kk

[Morpheus]

yes various faiths aline and agree. that and more. much more, for there is no death. there is life on the other side. seeing things with spirit eyes. we are in agreement.

all faiths, even mine. so why do you call me ill. you do not follow your own beliefs. shame on you.

kkYou post in duplicitous manner, kk. For one, in that you advocate for the athiest, which is contrary.
Also? I am not ignorant of other things. Nieither of Hep.

Meanwhile, I've stated that "At Their Essence"... not regarding all the teachings, thereof.

At their essence, even in Buddhism, they attest to the Almighty God.
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"13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him."

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-7-13/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .kingjamesbibleonline.org%252FDaniel-7-13%252F)

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .kingjamesbibleonline.org%252FDaniel-7-14%252F)"

I am not duplicitous.

[kkfern]

You post in duplicitous manner, kk. For one, in that you advocate for the athiest, which is contrary.
Also? I am not ignorant of other things. Nieither of Hep.


I am not duplicitous.vocate

why do you make things up. i do not advocate for atheist. i always stand with god. you seem to either make things up or only look at the dark side. don't point a finger at me and call me things that are not true. you have no ground to stand on with this statement.

i am not acting duplicitous. i am only standing up for myself. you first implied that my account of my NDEs are not true. then you call me ill because of my beliefs. i do not know why you always have to pick on what i post. you seem to have a problem with anyone who is not on your narrow path.

that is why i had some hope with the statement you put up about all faiths aline and agree. then you once again turn and make things up and attack me. that is not in line with what god would want. shame on you again.

can't we ever get along. let us figure out a common ground.

kk

[Morpheus]

Look. You have already responded for WMSM. For one.
An error you have made under prior guise, previous.

Not interested in this purposeful sidetracking from the thread topic.

Note: In the NDE account involving the individual of Hindu Faith, he cites his observation of Jesus, and the Virgin.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/oswaldo_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F NDERF%25252FNDE_Experiences%25252Foswaldo_probable _nde.htm)

[kkfern]

sure, misbehave and then run away and not face it

kk

[Morpheus]

"Ten years later in a prayer group, and friend said "here, I bought this for you. The Lord wants me to give this too you". It was a book called "Life after Life". That was the first time in 10 years I was free to talk about it, every account in that book, was part of what I had seen and heard."
"Were there one or several parts of the experience especially meaningful or significant to you? My experience left me knowing I was very loved, and needed by God. In my Catholic days, my family would get angry and say "you need to become a nun".
They taunted me about my faith."

www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/judi_c's_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F NDERF%25252FNDE_Experiences%25252Fjudi_c%252526%25 252339%25253%252A%252A_nde.htm)
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www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/tony_m_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.nderf.org%25252F NDERF%25252FNDE_Experiences%25252Ftony_m_probable_ nde.htm)

"I fell into a deep, dark pit that seemed infinite in size. I was perplexed when this happened, and looked around to try to find out where I was. As I looked down, I couldn't see my body anymore. I was simply a form of consciousness with my ego intact. Even if a light were to shine in this void, the darkness would have completely devoured it. I could not see anything, but the sounds that I heard were absolutely horrendous."

"Have your relationships changed specifically as a result of your experience? Yes Closer to my kids, realize the importance of relationships and the unimportance of material values. Much kinder to people, and as a result I have more friends."

[Morpheus]

"I was aware of my soul and aware that I was free from my body. There was no time like we have alive on earth. Time felt stretched, but afterwards only seemed like a few seconds."

"Did you have a sense of knowing special knowledge or purpose?....Yes....A knowing that God exists, a realization of true peace, and a glimpse of eternity compared to a lifetime."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/danee_c_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fdanee_c_nde.htm)

[kkfern]

"Did you have a sense of knowing special knowledge or purpose?....Yes....A knowing that God exists, a realization of true peace, and a glimpse of eternity compared to a lifetime."

love this part. yes there is a god. i met/merged with the all. the peace too is an important aspect. when you first enter an NDE peace is what you feel. this should be carried over into learning meditation. it is not only to clear the mind but to be clear. to be at peace. then you can enter spirit.

loved the eternity thing too. it taught me of the vastness of the all. how small, how very small we are.

kk

[kkfern]

"Did you have a sense of knowing special knowledge or purpose?....Yes....A knowing that God exists, a realization of true peace, and a glimpse of eternity compared to a lifetime."

love this part. yes there is a god. i met/merged with the all. the peace too is an important aspect. when you first enter an NDE peace is what you feel. this should be carried over into learning meditation. it is not only to clear the mind but to be clear. to be at peace. then you can enter spirit.

loved the eternity thing too. it taught me of the vastness of the all. how small, how very small we are.

kk

[Morpheus]

Here, the testimony of re-birth, "regeneration", and change.

"I've been in and out of prisons and jail's my whole life including as a youth. These punishments did nothing for my addictions but perhaps made them worse. I had a little time sober through meetings but the underlying urge was still there ultimately winding up at the crack house again.
This experience has taken the urge from me. Our time here is so short and I feel like I was sent back to tell others the TRUTH that we do not simply go in a grave and that's all. But rather a beginning to really living."

Any associated medications or substances with the potential to affect the experience? Yes I was a practicing Crack Addict at the time of the accident. Drinker, Pot smoker, etc.... Been doing these substances for years and never had anything even remotely close to this experience.
At the time of this experience, was there an associated life threatening event? Yes I was clinically dead. I was doing over 80 mph on a Kawasaki Ninja with no helmet on when I crashed and died.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/scott_b_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fscott_b_nde.htm)

[Morpheus]

In 1981 I entered Hope Haven Children's Hospital for two major spinal surgeries to correct scoliosis of the spine.

What life changes occurred in your life after your experience? Large changes in my life

Have your relationships changed specifically because of your experience? I testify that God and Heaven are definately real

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/mona_lisa_r_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fmona_lisa_r_nde.htm)

[Jatd]

Here's an interesting NDE from the same site. It is the experience of a Chinese communist atheist. I do hope you enjoy it Morpheus :smile:

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/chen_m_nde.htm


Thank you for sharing this one, I had not read it yet and I felt such a rush of emotion, I am left tear and yet full in my heart. Thank you.

[Morpheus]

What was your religion prior to your experience? Christian- Protestant Christian belief with no specific religion

Have your religious practices changed since your experience? Yes I have believed we go to heaven when we die or go to hell. I had no other preconceived notions or ideas of what to expect or what I would experience when I died. I believe in God and Jesus and have prayed at times. I was not a church-goer until the 2011 incident, in which I went to ask God into my life in November and then re-Baptized.

What importance do you place on your religious/spiritual life after your experience? Greatly important to me

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/brian_c_possible_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fbrian_c_possible_nde.htm)

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/alana_g_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Falana_g_nde.htm)

"What importance did you place on your religious/spiritual life prior to your experience?
Greatly important to me
What was your religion prior to your experience?
Christian- Other Christian
What importance do you place on your religious/spiritual life after your experience? Greatly important to me
What is your religion now?
Christian- Other Christian Pastor mostly ministering in counseling, dream interpretation and teaching not connected to a particular denominational church system."

[Morpheus]

"Have your religious beliefs/practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
Yes As soon as I came to a realization that it happened I searched all over where I was living for a Catholic priest who could help me to come to grips with what I had experienced."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/paul_j_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fpaul_j_nde.htm)
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"Have your religious beliefs/practices changed specifically as a result of your experience?
Yes I could not stay in the Catholic church. I knew I needed a "word" church and needed to be baptized in the Holy spirit as manifested in speaking in tongues. I am graduating this May from my 5th year of Bible college and training. My entire life is about Jesus and bringing people to him........."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/judi_c's_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fjudi_c%26%2339%3**_nde.htm)

[Morpheus]

There are several child's NDE's in the new postings, at NDERF.Org

"1.
As a consistently sick child, my mother had many ear infections and was having tubes inserted to improve drainage. Mom said that during the beginning of the procedure she ascended to the ceiling of the operating room and observed the physician and nurse for a few minutes where she then heard the doctor tell the nurse to turn off the Ether in a rushed tone, realizing they had given too much to her."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/henry_mother_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/henry_mother_nde.htm)

[kkfern]

i have morph on the ignore list. i like that he is finding so many posts that agree with him in the NDE sight. i wonder how many he had to reject to get to the few that agree. i hope some of what he is rejecting will sink in and help him. do not reply morph. i am ignoring you. hahahahahahahahahaah

kk

[Morpheus]

Another child's NDE. Unusually lengthy.

"As we talked I could see him more clearly like he was coming into focus, and he glowed so that I could see him better. He stayed and protected me from the evil wisps, and I knew that as long as he was around I would be safe. I think he was an angel. He wore white garments that hung loose, and he was very humble. I noticed that he carried either a sword, or a long horn. He might have had both, but he didn’t use them, and when I asked what they were for he said someday in the future he would be asked to use them, but not for now..."
"The angel seemed to be in communication with a higher power."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/leonard_k_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fleonard_k_nde.htm)

[kkfern]

i was talking to a man yesterday at work. i often have to ask people if they are old enough to buy beer/cigarets and even canned air. he looked about in his 70's so i love to treat it as a joke. he said yes. i tole him i was technically 14 because that was the last time i died and came back.

he said he did too and told me of the gray part and then the peace and love started. he did not get to go all the way because he was dragged back by the feeling in his chest as chest compressions were being done. i made me think. we are not always kicked out and told we have more to do. we are sometimes pulled back by the measures done to save us. that is what happened in my first NDE. i was pulled back by the doctor as i heard him say "damn it get a light down there".

kk

[Morpheus]

Woman claims to experience several OBE's a month.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/277696/woman-has-1000-near-death-experiences (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unexplained-mysteries.com%2Fnews%2F277696%2Fwoman-has-1000-near-death-experiences)
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Another child's NDE -

"I remember being under water and then it seemed, instantly but gently, I was floating slowly upwards. I looked over my shoulder and turned around to see the pool from I would guess about 60 ft above it..."
"Throughout all of this, I had feelings of being very content, confident, completely free, or something like that. It's hard to explain. I also felt a loving feeling, more like I loved everything rather than being in love. It all felt very normal, like no big deal."

"Do you believe in the existence of God after your experience? God definitely exists"

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/kurt_o_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2FNDERF% 2FNDE_Experiences%2Fkurt_o_nde.htm)

[Morpheus]

Another Child's...

Russell R Experience 2/1/2015

"Turning back over my right shoulder to look up, I saw a being in a long white flowing robe standing in the air a few inches off the ground.
His hands were exposed a little above his wrists and his robe’s hem touched the tops of his feet. A glorious, but non-blinding white light brighter than the sun, radiated from his being, flooding the surrounding grove. His radiance was brightest nearest his personage. His thick hair, white and shoulder length, was neatly groomed and he wore a full, white, neatly trimmed beard. His most striking and curious feature to me was his eyes, which seemed to appear as if they were on fire and yet they were not.
Remember, this was how I perceived the Savior’s eye’s as an eight year old."

From the Book of Revelation: John's witness of Christ...

biblehub.com/revelation/1-14.htm

"His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire."
King James Bible

So, the main point of all of this is to allow the Christian to see the veracity of the NDE accounts, which are now so prevalent in the world. Continually increasing in number since the early books about it, such as author Moody's,
"Life After Life"

St. Paul's own "Near Death" account is recorded in both Acts 14:19, concerning the event itself, and related by him in, 2 Corinthians 12.

[Morpheus]

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/278169/doctor-recalls-visiting-heaven-during-nde (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/278169/doctor-recalls-visiting-heaven-during-nde)

Another Doctor reports her NDE.

[Morpheus]

So, regarding those of the Christian Faith, there are still a good number who are unsure about the "NDE", snd aren't aware of St. Paul's NDE, which is described in both Acts 14:19, and related later in time, in 2 Corinthians 12.
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"Standing back in the live oak trees were two or three large angels that glowed a soft white. But Christ, who was before me, glowed with a sort of cool, pure white brilliance that did not hurt my eyes... He held out his arm to me and said, 'Do you want to go with me now?' I don't really remember much of our conversation. But I do know we were discussing whether I should stay or go. And I know I decided to come back."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/laura_v_probable_nde.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.nderf.org%25252525252FNDERF%25252 525252FNDE_Experiences%25252525252Flaura_v_probabl e_nde.htm)

"I heard them talking to each other far ahead of me, but it was in music. Their language was music."

http://img148.imagevenue.com/loc502/th_827962893_angel_122_502lo.jpg (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fimg148.image venue.com%252525252Fimg.php%252525253Fimage%252525 253D827962893_angel_122_502lo.jpg)
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Another child's NDE. Infant, age 15 months. -

"What was your religion prior to your experience?
Do not know Personally too young to have chosen faith. Neither parent devout,
paternal grandmother and great grandmother devout Christian, nondenominational.

Did your experience include features consistent your earthly beliefs? I don't know that at that young of an age anyone has beliefs. However, they did reflect those beliefs of the Christian faith my grandmothers believed.

Did you have a change in your values and beliefs because of your experience? No
The experience included: Presence of unearthly beings

Did you seem to encounter a mystical being or presence, or hear an unidentifiable voice? I encountered a definite being, or a voice clearly of mystical or unearthly origin Refer to above. The man I saw wore a white flowing gown.

Did you encounter or become aware of any beings who previously lived on earth who are described by name in religions (for example: Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, etc.)? Uncertain I'm not sure who the man was. I only know I wanted to stay with him."

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/reese_j_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/reese_j_nde.htm)

http://img280.imagevenue.com/loc437/th_840235948_A3Angels_122_437lo.jpg (http://img280.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=840235948_A3Angels_122_437lo.jpg)

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/jennifer_w_probable_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/jennifer_w_probable_nde.htm)


"I found myself in a wonderfully, beautifully lit space. There were no walls, ceiling, or even a floor. Everything was pure white with light. I felt so happy, so free, and so loved. Even though I didn't see anyone or anything around me, I didn't feel alone. "

Statement about Time made in her Experience account. Which we understand, since Einsten, is related to Space.
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What was your religion prior to your experience? Christian-Catholic

Did you have a change in your values and beliefs because of your experience?
Yes Spirituality and religion are related, but
not the same at all.
Going to church every weekend doesn't make you any more of a Christian than standing in a garage everyday makes you a car

(Perhaps, but one ought to think about, "Community".)

[wmsm]

wmsm/kkfer, you are obviously ill. I do wish you well, that you come to understanding, and Peace. NDE was when i was 10, second at 24, third at 45. each with a different cause and experience.
i have always had spirit gifts so the NDE is more accessible. and necessary on a life path such as mine. you know how children loose their connection to spirit as they grow, well spirit workers also have to energizer that connection.

see, i take your well wishing as a concern for my health instead of being evil minded and thinking something is wrong with me. that is just the way i am a clean soul. others that think in the sink always look for problems. thinking in the sink is like putting things in the garbage disposal where that kind of thinking belongs. what you say reveals more about you then it does about me.

anyway, yes change is the hallmark of an NDE so so SO true. even at ten it changed my direction in life. when i had my tonsils out, i was in the recovery room and i coughed. that broke the stitches and i was literally drowning in my blood. i jumped out of bed and ran into the hall to get help. i pointed to myself still in bed and said help her, she is drowning. nobody would help me. nobody could hear me. so i went off and played.

the angel that walked with me explained things to me. i was not like the man in your story, i was a very good little girl. the review of my life the angel played confirmed that. he said my being a good little catholic girl was stopping me from being a spiritual person. a person connected to god. when he sent me back he said i would change my ways. and i did. i was no longer limited by the church. i surpassed it.

born again, NDE, seeing the light, they are all a step above how you were before. spirit is not confined to only one religion or faith. it is all, just like god is all.

kk

How can a human being on a forum make a personal statement about another's health and still imply that they are of personal wisdom?

My spiritual journey is not mine alone, for each human being faces a condition to which we are born...information and choice.

My spiritual journey involved spiritual healing and self experience asides from a personal study of ancient spiritual wisdom and what it implied.

The 2 circumstances plus my own NDE experience gave me a new insight into what I previously thought I knew, to what I then understood, as a common circumstance of the NDE itself.

I nearly died due to a near self combustion incident and our Light Father spoke to me. I never previously believed in a Light Father.

Before this circumstance my sister asked me a question, she is deceased....I heard her ask me "are you okay sis, this is Jan". This was how my sister spoke to me in real life.

The Biblical ancient secrets related to a spiritual psychic condition which discussed evaluations of spirit in secret terms. Many of these secrets were done by somatic journeys or caused to be involved and discussed in NDE experiences themselves as informed states.

Therefore as I was nearly self combusted...caused by an evil scientific study of our spirit and its nature, demonstrated in verified scientific journals regarding a research being done on the human DNA/God aspect for scientific discovery, I came to understand the ancient precepts discussing biblical secret meanings.

So excuse me when a human who has no self personal experience of my own spiritual journey makes such a impersonal comment about my own experience and why it verifies particular factors that you seemingly yourself are unaware of.

[kkfern]

How can a human being on a forum make a personal statement about another's health and still imply that they are of personal wisdom?

My spiritual journey is not mine alone, for each human being faces a condition to which we are born...information and choice.

My spiritual journey involved spiritual healing and self experience asides from a personal study of ancient spiritual wisdom and what it implied.

The 2 circumstances plus my own NDE experience gave me a new insight into what I previously thought I knew, to what I then understood, as a common circumstance of the NDE itself.

I nearly died due to a near self combustion incident and our Light Father spoke to me. I never previously believed in a Light Father.

Before this circumstance my sister asked me a question, she is deceased....I heard her ask me "are you okay sis, this is Jan". This was how my sister spoke to me in real life.

The Biblical ancient secrets related to a spiritual psychic condition which discussed evaluations of spirit in secret terms. Many of these secrets were done by somatic journeys or caused to be involved and discussed in NDE experiences themselves as informed states.

Therefore as I was nearly self combusted...caused by an evil scientific study of our spirit and its nature, demonstrated in verified scientific journals regarding a research being done on the human DNA/God aspect for scientific discovery, I came to understand the ancient precepts discussing biblical secret meanings.

So excuse me when a human who has no self personal experience of my own spiritual journey makes such a impersonal comment about my own experience and why it verifies particular factors that you seemingly yourself are unaware of.

i would never say something like that. the post #123 was done by morph. i do not know why it shows up like that each time. but morph did it.

kk

[wmsm]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/jennifer_w_probable_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/jennifer_w_probable_nde.htm)


"I found myself in a wonderfully, beautifully lit space. There were no walls, ceiling, or even a floor. Everything was pure white with light. I felt so happy, so free, and so loved. Even though I didn't see anyone or anything around me, I didn't feel alone. "

Statement about Time made in her Experience account. Which we understand, since Einsten, is related to Space.
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What was your religion prior to your experience? Christian-Catholic

Did you have a change in your values and beliefs because of your experience?
Yes Spirituality and religion are related, but
not the same at all.
Going to church every weekend doesn't make you any more of a Christian than standing in a garage everyday makes you a car

(Perhaps, but one ought to think about, "Community".)
When a human has a NDE, they are not deceased...therefore time and space has no evidence in a NDE.

A scientist proposes space...yet how can he propose space, when he also proposes that space is full? Space therefore does not exist, and should not be considered...as a place emptied yet full is not empty is it?

[Morpheus]

Despite meaningless ramblings...
Today we understand that space, time, and gravity are all interlinked and connected.
Very often are found comments about time in the historic NDE accounts,
"there was no time" or that it is different.
Since Einstein nearly one hundred years ago, we also see how modern Physics regards time and space as, "illusory". Hence, the conceptual understanding of,
"The Matrix".

For those who study, the Truth becomes evident.

God is Truth.