Why do you believe there is an afterlife?

[tlcmel]

Hi,
Do you have a reason why you believe there is life after life? It may be faith or a specific reason. I'd like to know your thoughts on it.:hug3:

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

We are not these aging bodies, we are the eternal energies that animate them.. it isn't an "after-life", it is a continuous eternal existence, punctuated as physical manifestations from time to time.. or so my experiences reveal to me.. there may be contrary experiences, but i am currently comfortable with my understandings as stated.. it is consistent with science and common sense..

Be well..

[hybrid]

Hi,
Do you have a reason why you believe there is life after life? It may be faith or a specific reason. I'd like to know your thoughts on it.:hug3:

if you mean why i believed that life will go on after physical death? yea of course i have reasons, aside from gut feelings. one of the reasons is what i don't believed. i don't believe that consciousness is emergent to the brain. intelligence is a separate entity from matter and pre-existent. intelligence comes from the mind, mind is alive. it has the ability to organize matter to spawn life and make it self concious and aware. (through us of course.)


but the diggest reason is that to believe otherwise is to simply say that life is one big futily. which ain't INTELLIGENT.

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[Eduards]

tlcmel , there is life after life! Of course there is!

Why i think so?

Because i have get many signs ;)

[pokeyjo11]

I have always known...I have communicated with spirit since I was a child. Transitions differ I suppose, but I know I am eternal; and so is all! IMO of course....which is based on my knowledge and experience, which I continue to seek (smile)
I suppose all paths may be unique and it makes me smile.
Thank You,
pj11

[mikron]

If your lucky enough to have a OBE you will question your own truth and know that there is so much more Beyond what we all see everyday !


mikron

[Light Mage]

I have no idea if there is or not, I'll just wait and find out. :angel7:

[Lapis]

Personally I know that there is 'Life' beyond this physical plane 'life'. I've remembered many of my 'past lives' since about age 5 and, I've also remembered a couple of my physical deaths and my 'transition to the other side' so to speak. In other words I retained full conscious awareness through the transition out of my physical body (death) and into the nonphysical realm. Plus I've psychically seen people who've passed over and are still here enough to be seen and communicated with! I've also had a few special encounters with a highly advanced Teacher who passed over in the early 1980's who came through to both me and my sister after he'd "died", so this experience is pretty good evidence for those hard core disbelievers! :wink: Here's some of what happened with him.

I first met this man in the mid 1970's when he was teaching Astrology. He was in his late 70s then. When he was only a child his parents, after seeing his natal chart, packed him off to India with an uncle to be trained in many different of the 'Arts'. When he was about 21, he returned to the USA with all sorts of east Indian wisdom teachings. Long story short.....he was well trained in astrology, gemology, numerology, tantra, functioning outside of his physical body with full conscious awareness, and many other things, plus things he never told me about! He was a very special man, special Teacher.

He'd told a couple of us students that he knew when he was going to physically die (astrologically) and so he went to his doctor 2 days before his actual physical death to prevent them from doing an autopsy. At the time of his death my sister lived in another state and didn't know that he'd died. I didn't want to call her with this news until a week had passed and later it was revealed why I even did that!

About 3 days after he died, my sister had a lucid dream in the middle of the afternoon and this man, this Teacher, was in her dream. She told me that he'd showed up in her dream to give her a special gemstone that she needed at that time to help her heal some body problems she'd been having. In this dream he gave her a gemstone and they talked a bit also. The dream ended and she woke up and wondered about the gemstone. After a bit she went back to sleep and had a second dream with him! In this second dream he just popped in and said to her, "Oh, I forgot to mention, I've died!" and with that, he left and she woke up a second time....very very upset. The next day she called me and told me about her 2 dreams with him and when she finished I had to tell her that indeed, he had physically died a few days earlier.

I've also had a couple of dreams with him many years after his physical death where he gave me some astrological information I needed about people's unknown birth times. Much of this is rather personal so I won't go into the details but just say that all of what he told me in the dreams, I've learned after-the-fact, to be correct.

There's much more but it's sooooo paranormal that many people simply wouldn't believe it and would probably then not believe what I have shared.

I remember hearing Dannion Brinkley (who's died twice himself) say that life on the other side makes this physical life seem like being dead! From what I personally remember, I totally agree.

[cweiters]

Without doubt there is an after life!

I have seen it!

Many attempts to describe life after death has left me feeling very foolish in the past.

Today with help from many of you, I realize no description could ever be sufficient
when there is very little to see with the natural eye.

IMHO that only those people who are open to spiritual ascension and / or have seen beyond the light will understand.

May I also add, those who have had a near death experiences have seen the light. I know for sure, there is so much more beyond the light.

Please forgive me if I have offended anyone by saying this.

:hug2:


Love to all
cw

[Roo]

I'm with cw on having seen it, so I know it's real.

No description could be sufficient, it's true, as each experiences it in one's own way. For me, it wasn't much different than dreaming. My consciousness remained pretty much as it was before, except that I knew a lot more. I remember not believing I was dead at first, because it didn't seem like anything had changed.

[Philip]

In one very important respect this question misses the mark.

For there to be an afterlife there must have been a determinate life before it. This can not be so. We have never actually left anything and therefore we cannot return to anything.

There is only one moment in which we exist and that is the eternal moment of NOW. This means that we can neither leave some previous life to come here, nor can we leave here to go somewhere else. Our apparent manifestation here is merely a way of consciously experiencing in terms of 'other' what we in fact we already know but only find fulfillment in our conscious awareness of that thing that we are.

If enlightenment brings us anything it is the experiential awareness that we have no beginning and we have no end. We are.

It is like one of those moments that I think we all have experienced of being lost to time and drifting off in a thought or image. For the duration of that process we may feel as though we have 'died' to our life and only 'live' again when it reaches its' conclusion. In that state someone may speak to us and it does not register (or apparently doesn't) -- like when some teacher in school was droning on about something and all awareness that they were even speaking was lost to us.

Such is our manifestation here, save in one important respect. Through a process of developing awareness we can, even in that stupor that most of us call life, begin to hear the voice of the spirit coming through. And, rather like tuning in a radio, we can with continuance 'tune' more and more clearly to our truth.

To speak of an "afterlife" is to negate the eternal quality of our being and will cause us to go seeking for a solution in 'other' when all the time we are in fact our own solution.

This does not mean that we are all in search of exactly the same aspect as everone else. Each of us has a different aspect as our goal and this means that we can each say:-

"Mine is not a better way. Mine is merely another way."

[Roo]

Thanks for the reminder, Philip. :D

[spiritalk]

Check out these studies:
http://www.survivalafterdeath.org
http://www.openmindsciences.com
http://www.iands.org
http://www.horizon-research.co.uk

God bless, J

[pokeyjo11]

Phillip,
WOW! Well spoken,
Thank You,
pj11

[Ascended Master]

Greetings..

We are not these aging bodies, we are the eternal energies that animate them.. it isn't an "after-life", it is a continuous eternal existence, punctuated as physical manifestations from time to time.. or so my experiences reveal to me.. there may be contrary experiences, but i am currently comfortable with my understandings as stated.. it is consistent with science and common sense..

Be well..

Very well said...

AM

[Ascended Master]

if you mean why i believed that life will go on after physical death? yea of course i have reasons, aside from gut feelings. one of the reasons is what i don't believed. i don't believe that consciousness is emergent to the brain. intelligence is a separate entity from matter and pre-existent. intelligence comes from the mind, mind is alive. it has the ability to organize matter to spawn life and make it self concious and aware. (through us of course.)


but the diggest reason is that to believe otherwise is to simply say that life is one big futily. which ain't INTELLIGENT.

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Very well said as well! :smile:

AM

[VelocityKendo]

I think that there is an afterlife because of the M Theory (String theory improved by Edward Witten) and the plurivers theory which is closely related to the M theory.

[cweiters]

Velocity would you please expand on these theories for us? I know nothing of nither one of them.

Love to all
cw

I think that there is an afterlife because of the M Theory (String theory improved by Edward Witten) and the plurivers theory which is closely related to the M theory.

[VelocityKendo]

With great pleasure cweiters. To sum up and to bring the M-theory into a general use (because it is a very complex theory ..a PhD in cosmology would be needed to fully understand it), it is a theory which says that there are many universes contained in what scientists call branes. Furthermore, according to some scientists, notably Dr. Crichton, it would be possible to be in several universes at the time if big-scale teleportation was mastered. Thus, from mathematical calculus which I have carried out, I have come to the conslusion that in a (o, vector(i), vector(j), vector(k), vector(l)) plane, a point x (which would stand for a human) would automatically end up either in the same universe, or in another one. It is hard to explain but easy to understand mathematically with calculations of probabilities.

[cweiters]

Please tell me this VelocityK., must teleportation be a skilled action or do you feel it possible to travel these universes throught faith alone?

Love to all
cw

With great pleasure cweiters. To sum up and to bring the M-theory into a general use (because it is a very complex theory ..a PhD in cosmology would be needed to fully understand it), it is a theory which says that there are many universes contained in what scientists call branes. Furthermore, according to some scientists, notably Dr. Crichton, it would be possible to be in several universes at the time if big-scale teleportation was mastered. Thus, from mathematical calculus which I have carried out, I have come to the conslusion that in a (o, vector(i), vector(j), vector(k), vector(l)) plane, a point x (which would stand for a human) would automatically end up either in the same universe, or in another one. It is hard to explain but easy to understand mathematically with calculations of probabilities.

[VelocityKendo]

It will be possible someday. In 1999, a teleported bactery covered a distance of about 250 miles (300 kilometers). The only problem is that during the re-forming of living things, some problems concerning the blocks of DNA happen. They are not fully re-formed. That is why they can not carry out this type of experience on human beings.

[kris]

The only way I can make reasonable sense of my present life is by attempting to get a clearer picture of life and the world I live in. This clearer picture I come up with has me living before this life. Only by assuming I have lived before my birth in this life can I explain why I was born this time around in my particular circumstance. The same logic suggests that I will be around after my death in this life.

[hybrid]

Please tell me this VelocityK., must teleportation be a skilled action or do you feel it possible to travel these universes throught faith alone?

Love to all
cw

i think a shift in consciousness would do the trick. from our dimension we see a person from baby to old age at one frame at a time. an observer in the fourth, the same person's life is observed from birth to death all at the same time. at a higher dimension an observer would see the same person all his posible life instantly, whether a person became a doctor or a lawer or what not. at a much higher dimension an observer would see the same person with all the possible lives he can possibly have, given all the other possible initial conditions that could possibly affect his life. in the highest dimension all the infinites possibilites are contained and observed by this conciousness.

back to our dimension, we can imagine all these possible worlds as a wave of potential probabilities. but only one probability can become an actuality by the observation of our consciousness. and that is our present life as we know it.

if we can somehow raise our consciouness to a higher dimension, we can collapse another world/life where we are of a different person. the shift could be seamless that when it happened all you feel is a glitch. some kind of a deja vu.

this is not entirely my idea. i just read it somewhere elese. i just think it's interesting to share.


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[spiritalk]

As a working medium, I communicate with the spirit realms (filled those that have left their physical existence behind and continue with the spirit body). To dismiss this as an aberrant mind, it begs the question of results.

God bless, J