The Discarnate Saints On The Approaching Dwarf Star‏

[Avadar]

Greetings From The Discarnate Saints In The Society Of Light,

The dwarf star that is on a trajectory path that will bring it close to Terra this fall will not result in the collapse of civilization. It will only mean a greater number of hurricanes, earthquakes, tidal flooding, and occasional electrical and communication disruptions. Terra has gone through this before. Society will not break down completely and the world will not be destroyed.

Most are not in a financial position to buy large quantities of food and supplies, and then trek over to a cave or underground bunker in order to wait it out.

Simply plan each day and do the best you can to cope with the environmental challenges that will occur. Use common sense. If an earthquake occurs, immediately go outside. If there is an approaching hurricane, get out of its path ahead of time. Avoid coastal areas.

Reference:

http://truthfrequencynews.com/?p=3146

To spiritually prepare for this, use Heart Chakra Radiance (HCR) daily with an emphasis on radiating compassion.

Reference:

http://69.175.29.26/~thesoci4/HeartChakraRadianceExplained.pdf

Then use radiant prayer for guidance and emotional healing, and meditation daily in order to improve upon and maintain a certain degree of spiritual centeredness, as well as to be receptive to guidance from above.

Love & Light,
TSOL

[mattie]

What is the ‘Discarnate Saints in The Society Of Light?’
Who are the saints & what is the Society?

In Googling ‘Discarnate Saints in The Society Of Light’ this page popped up.
http://www.aksworld.com/discus/messages/4/736.html, but I didn’t find any link to the site.

Is this the site for it? Is this your site? An article is signed ‘Avadar’ & it discusses Heart Chakra Radiance that is mentioned here.
http://69.175.29.26/~thesoci4/Latest_BOS.htm

When I used the HCR link it pulled up blank pages. I'm on a Mac. Anything I need to do to view this?

[Avadar]

Hi Mattie,

The discarnate Saints are people that are on the seventh plane and who have a stable Dominant Aura Color of white. The Society Of Light is a fellowship of discarnate Saints and the membership has fluctuated and changed over the years.

Copy and paste the following site address into another browser. That should help you pull up the page.

http://69.175.29.26/~thesoci4/HeartChakraRadianceExplained.pdf

Or just this...

SolistFellowship.com

Namaste

[Scibat]

I would love to see some actual scientific evidence of the existence of this dwarf star and its trajectory. Otherwise I think it's just another made up "doomsday" scenario.

No offense intended.

[mattie]

The discarnate Saints are people that are on the seventh plane and who have a stable Dominant Aura Color of white. ...

Copy and paste the following site address into another browser. That should help you pull up the page.

http://69.175.29.26/~thesoci4/HeartChakraRadianceExplained.pdf

Or just this...

SolistFellowship.com

The SolistFellowship.com link seems to be the same one that I referenced even though I didn't take the time to closely scrutinize the link to compare it,
http://69.175.29.26/~thesoci4/Latest_BOS.htm.

On that site & other link I also pulled up a blank w/ the HCR link. Just downloaded the Flip4Mac program that is supposed to let a Mac read Microsoft video. I usually don’t have issues w/ text though. This version of Mac’s OS reads Microsoft text easily.
Thanks for the tip about using another browser.

Who do the discarnate Saints channel to? Are these specific saints or a group? Are these discarnate Saints what is also called Ascended Masters?

[mattie]

I would love to see some actual scientific evidence of the existence of this dwarf star and its trajectory.


Is this dwarf star Nirubu?

It seems like this would be hard to keep under wraps w/ independent astronomy sites. Any links to sites that can confirm this would be useful.

[Avadar]

I would love to see some actual scientific evidence of the existence of this dwarf star and its trajectory. Otherwise I think it's just another made up "doomsday" scenario.

No offense intended.
None taken.

Do you believe that the scientific evidence from NASA is credible?

Here is the model that is taken from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory of NASA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi7wpEIGU0I

Namaste

[Spiritlite]

I think this is interesting I love any channeled info and discern whatever I want to discern from it, everyone is individual in this.
Spiritlite.

[Avadar]

Who do the discarnate Saints channel to? Are these specific saints or a group? Are these discarnate Saints what is also called Ascended Masters?
They are specific Saints that work in a fellowship as opposed to being combined into a Group Entity.

According to the discarnate Saints, technically there are no Ascended Masters in The Light at the present time. Those that are purported to be Ascended Masters are actually telepathically projected icons from Group Entities on the fifth or fourth planes. This is an intended deception in order to control and influence people in the flesh.

If there were any true Ascended Masters right now, their god powers in The Light would make them quite obvious to the incarnate populuation. There would be no guess work or speculation involved on our part. When that happens it will not be kept hidden. A somewhat disruptive scenario to many who follow one or more false Ascended Masters (Group Entity icons) but nonetheless highly illuminating for those who are spiritually focused.

The discarnate Saints represent the highest spiritual source currently available until true Ascended Masters emerge from their conscientious use of Heart Chakra Radiance (HCR) over a period of many years.

All of your questions regarding the Solist Teachings and discarnate Saints are pretty much addressed in our Solist Bible or BOOK OF SOULS. You can download that also in a PDF format FOR FREE at our site. Look at the link near the bottom of that page.

Namaste

[Avadar]

Hi Spiritlite,

I think this is interesting I love any channeled info and discern whatever I want to discern from it, everyone is individual in this.
Spiritlite.
The most important facet of our entire teaching is learning about and using Heart Chakra Radiance (HCR) daily.

For that represents the only way out of our current mess environmentally, economically, the Zetan menace, viruses, food shortages, widespread rape and murder, political corruption, etc.

With the eventual realization of improving upon the basic human condition with The Light of God.

Namaste

[Scibat]

None taken.

Do you believe that the scientific evidence from NASA is credible?

Here is the model that is taken from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory of NASA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi7wpEIGU0I (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3DQi7wpEIGU0I)

Namaste

If its from NASA yes, but the video is from some guy who claims NASA is hiding the truth. There is no evidence that NASA has any information about this, also there are many other astronomical agencies worldwide, and none of them with all the optical and radio telescopes out there have detected this or they are all hiding the "truth"? (NASA doesn't have say over what non-NASA scientists discover and report worldwide.) That sounds very far fetched.

To break it down further his model indicates that by June 2nd this object was 1.835 AU. (1 AU being the distance between the Earth and Sun or 93 Million Miles.) At that distance a brown dwarf star would be very detectable by radio telescopes, because even though a brown dwarf is a dead star it is still putting out a lot of energy in the form of X-Rays and Magnetic Fields.

Even if for argument's sake we are saying this object is not emitting these wavelengths, we have other means of detection:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf

We have detected Brown Dwarfs, up to 118 parsecs away:

Yet we cannot see one in our own solar system? OR there is a worldwide conspiracy to cover up the existence of this object, which includes every astronomer on the planet with access to equipment capable to seeing this object?

Neither of these seem very plausible.

[Avadar]

Scibat,

All you have to do is type in Elenin Dwarf Star or Comet Elenin in a search menu. There are a plethora of links that validate that it exists and that it is headed this way. NASA isn't hiding it. They just aren't advertising it either.

Here are some additional references:

http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/4024/comet-elenin-just-passing-by

http://news.discovery.com/space/will-earthbound-comet-fulfill-2012-prophecy.html

http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/06/comet-elenin-is-not-satellite-of-brown.html

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/comet-dwarf-star-elenin/

Here are a couple of related and interesting stories, not all of which I necessarily agree with, that will not help one sleep at night:

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/researcher-comet-elenin-and-brown-dwarf-star-are-part-of-et-reptilian-invasion

Scroll down the page to see this one...

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1475.htm

Cheers!

[Scibat]

Scibat,

All you have to do is type in Elenin Dwarf Star or Comet Elenin in a search menu. There are a plethora of links that validate that it exists and that it is headed this way. NASA isn't hiding it. They just aren't advertising it either.

Cheers!
It's a comet. Not a dwarf star, HUGE difference amigo. They aren't remotely related to one another. According to the actual links that are scientific, (The first 3) its a big cosmological nothing. It will be barely visible to the naked eye in August.

A comet this size, doesn't have the significant mass to create any sort of disasters or really any effects on the planet and this one isn't going to come close enough to the earth to be dangerous as an impact hazard.

In fact, this link you kindly provided sums up the situation nicely:

http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/06/comet-elenin-is-not-satellite-of-brown.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fastroblogger.blogspot. com%2F2011%2F06%2Fcomet-elenin-is-not-satellite-of-brown.html)

While this one explains how little it will affect us:

http://news.discovery.com/space/will-earthbound-comet-fulfill-2012-prophecy.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.discovery.com%2Fs pace%2Fwill-earthbound-comet-fulfill-2012-prophecy.html)

Here is a quote for those not inclined to read the whole article:

The effects of the comet on Earth at closest approach will be as inconsequential as that of a mosquito slamming head-on into an ocean-going supertanker.

[Spiritlite]

Thankyou Avadar.
Spiritlite.

[Avadar]

Scibot,

A little while ago you couldn't accept the fact that there was a large object that was headed near this planet and that you didn't know about it because there wasn't a big announcement from NASA and other astronomical organizations. Now you want to quibble over whether or not the object is a dwarf star or a comet.

Some think it is a dwarf star. Others think it is a comet. That is why I suggested that you try both in a search menu.

Regardless, it is headed our way and interpretations do vary as to its environmental impact.

Cheers!

[Avadar]

Hi Spiritlite,

Thankyou Avadar.
Spiritlite.
You're most welcome. :hug3:

Namaste

[Scibat]

Scibot,

A little while ago you couldn't accept the fact that there was a large object that was headed near this planet and that you didn't know about it because there wasn't a big announcement from NASA and other astronomical organizations.
No I asked for proof, in my first post: I would love to see some actual scientific evidence of the existence of this dwarf star and its trajectory.

Now you want to quibble over whether or not the object is a dwarf star or a comet.
It's hardly a "quibble". There is a vast difference between the insignificance of a comet, verses what a dwarf star would do within the solar system. As you initially claimed this object was.

Some think it is a dwarf star. Others think it is a comet. That is why I suggested that you try both in a search menu.
Astronomers who can see the object, call it a comet (which it is). A big dirty snowball in space. A dwarf star is the remains of a dead STAR. It would have been affecting the orbits of planets in our solar system as far back as three years ago.

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/06/03/what-if-we-replace-comet-elenin-by-brown-dwarf/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fspa ceobs.org%252Fen%252F2011%252F06%252F03%252Fwhat-if-we-replace-comet-elenin-by-brown-dwarf%252F)

Regardless, it is headed our way and interpretations do vary as to its environmental impact.
Interpretations may vary, that doesn't mean they are correct. I can interpret the sky as chartreuse, that doesn't make it true or correct. It's environmental impact is nil according to scientific data.

Why do people insist on believing nonsense over scientific fact and hard data? Because some guy claimed it came from discarnate spirits? Would my statements be taken as accurate if I claimed they came from some supernatural source instead of science? Are people really that gullible? Or is it dismissed because I invoke science instead of hocus pocus so I get labeled as the bad guy by people who want to believe in the outlandish? (Mostly rhetorical questions as I don't expect any real helpful replies.).

Oh here is the NASA article on comet Elenin, hardly a big secret just not that newsworthy (Unless you are an astronomer):

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-135 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .jpl.nasa.gov%252Fnews%252Fnews.cfm%253Frelease%25 3D2011-135)


(http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .jpl.nasa.gov%252Fnews%252Fnews.cfm%253Frelease%25 3D2011-135)

[Avadar]

Scibat,

So you went from not believing in the object at all into believing that it is a comet.

And your proof that it exists and that it is a comet is....?

Tada...

One or more of those websites that I referenced.

<< There is a vast difference between the insignificance of a comet, verses what a dwarf star would do within the solar system. As you initially claimed this object was. >>

Comets as well as dwarf stars can cause environmental disasters. It all depends on proximity.

TSOL and others say it is a dwarf star. You and others say it is a comet.

Sorry...but I side with the former. They simply have more creditiblity than you do.

You know, I'd be willing to bet that the sources you side with that say it is a comet also don't believe in UFO's and aliens either. *LOL*

Just as NASA's official stance that extraterrestrials have yet to visit and that there are no underground and underwater bases in existence (in contrast to what has been said by various former governmental insiders in The Disclosure Project), so there will always be varying interpretations of celestial events.

Just like with Elenin.

The Society Of Light's interpretation is on the side of moderation. Some espouse that Elenin's emergence near Terra will be much worse, i.e., have a much greater impact on the environment, and that it could end our current civilization. Again, do a search.

So you went from not believing in any approaching celestial object at all to now believing that it is a comet.

Good for you.

You've learned something today.

And you learned it from reading about a channeled prediction thread that opened your eyes about an approaching celestial object.

Again...good for you!

Maybe if you keep checking these mystical threads other areas of illumination will open up for you too! :smile:

[Scibat]

Scibat,

So you went from not believing in the object at all into believing that it is a comet.

Incorrect. I asked for proof, you demonstrated proof that something is out there, not the dwarf star your original post claimed, but a comet.

And your proof that it exists and that it is a comet is....?
Right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gd_xazysDs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253D2gd_xazysDs)

Tada...

One or more of those websites that I referenced.
So you posted an actual scientific link in addition to the drivel about a dwarf star, and that proves what exactly?


There is a vast difference between the insignificance of a comet, verses what a dwarf star would do within the solar system. As you initially claimed this object was.
Comets as well as dwarf stars can cause environmental disasters. It all depends on proximity.
If a comet hit the earth or was of near planetary size and came close enough then yes. This object is neither large enough nor coming close enough.

You like quotes, here is one from NASA:

"Comet Elenin will not encounter any dark bodies that could perturb its orbit, nor will it influence us in any way here on Earth. It will get no closer to Earth than 35 million kilometers [about 22 million miles]. "


TSOL and others say it is a dwarf star. You and others say it is a comet.
Well they're wrong. Science says its a comet, NASA says its a comet, the video and pictures available all over the net show that it is clearly a comet.

Sorry...but I side with the former. They simply have more creditiblity than you do.
Maybe more than me personally. What about NASA, Discovery and all the astronomers that say its a comet? What about Russian astronomer Leonid Elenin who discovered and named it? Who viewed with a telescope and says its a comet? They're all wrong? The guy who discovered it is wrong? :rolleyes:

You know, I'd be willing to bet that the sources you side with that say it is a comet also don't believe in UFO's and aliens either. *LOL*
I don't know what they believe, I don't care honestly. It's irrelevant to the current discussion.

Just as NASA's official stance that extraterrestrials have yet to visit and that there are no underground and underwater bases in existence (in contrast to what has been said by various former governmental insiders in The Disclosure Project), so there will always be varying interpretations of celestial events.

Just like with Elenin.
Nasa's stance on extraterrestrials is also irrelevant to this discussion. This is about false claims about a dwarf star supposedly going to wreak havoc on the world, when in fact it's just a comet that isn't even going to come that close to us. There are pictures of it, proving it's a comet. The guy who discovered it says it's a comet.

The Society Of Light's interpretation is on the side of moderation. Some espouse that Elenin's emergence near Terra will be much worse, i.e., have a much greater impact on the environment, and that it could end our current civilization. Again, do a search.
No search will provide a shred of scientific data to back that up.

So you went from not believing in any approaching celestial object at all to now believing that it is a comet.
Did you read my initial post, or anything I said since? I asked for proof, I never said I disbelieved in any approaching celestial object. There is a comet, not a dwarf star as you claimed. The two objects are vastly different, and would have vastly different affects on Earth. Not to mention (for the umpteenth time) a dwarf star would already be creating noticeable disruptions to the solar system which would not have gone unnoticed by astronomers.

Good for you.

You've learned something today.
Maybe I have. You obviously haven't though.

And you learned it from reading about a channeled prediction thread that opened your eyes about an approaching celestial object.
A prediction about the wrong object (A dwarf star). That couldn't possibly have gone unnoticed in our solar system and how its going to wreck the Earth. Had your initial post referenced a comet instead of a dwarf star I would have checked it out before posting and probably not given this thread a second glance.

Again...good for you!

Maybe if you keep checking these mystical threads other areas of illumination will open up for you too! :smile:
This kind of illumination, I call irresponsible fear mongering. It's the kind of illumination I can do without. :rolleyes:

[Asrais]

This kind of illumination, I call irresponsible fear mongering. It's the kind of illumination I can do without. :rolleyes:

I'm with Scibat on this one - I think if there was going to be a near earth event, we'd know by now.

[Avadar]

I'm with Scibat on this one - I think if there was going to be a near earth event, we'd know by now.
That all depends on who you ask and if you are well informed with the latest information that is freely available on the Internet, channeling notwithstanding. The same message is coming from many sources. Environmental changes have been occurring all around us and they will continue to do so. It is not fear mongering to embrace the truth of that occurring. Quite the contrary, it is better to live objectively and wisely in facing said challenges with courage instead of with paralysis through fear and ignorance.

[Scibat]

That all depends on who you ask and if you are well informed with the latest information that is freely available on the Internet, channeling notwithstanding. The same message is coming from many sources. Environmental changes have been occurring all around us and they will continue to do so. It is not fear mongering to embrace the truth of that occurring. Quite the contrary, it is better to live objectively and wisely in facing said challenges with courage instead of with paralysis through fear and ignorance.

Truth? Lets address that it is in fact a comet, not dangerous, identified by many astronomers including the person who found the object: Dr. Leonid Elenin. There is no doomsday object, no dwarf star, no challenges to face from this.

I can find plenty of fear mongering garbage on the internet that patently isn't true, it being freely available doesn't make it true nor scientific. I have linked credible scientific sources (Including NASA) that state this is a harmless celestial phenomena.

You have provided no evidence to back up this claim about a dwarf star or any kind of doom that will come from the object and your assertions are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2010_X1

[Asrais]

I have done my research, my friend. I have considered both side of the story.

There are no certainties in this world, and I do not think that the scientists have all the answers, but on this subject, I think they are right.

I don't see why NASA (along with all the other scientists in the world) would hid this from us - after all, they have released information about another near earth object coming for us in 2029/ 2036, which is a possible impact risk.
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/

[mattie]

...
According to the discarnate Saints, technically there are no Ascended Masters in The Light at the present time. Those that are purported to be Ascended Masters are actually telepathically projected icons from Group Entities on the fifth or fourth planes. This is an intended deception in order to control and influence people in the flesh.

If there were any true Ascended Masters right now, their god powers in The Light would make them quite obvious to the incarnate populuation. ...

By Ascended Masters I meant those who were nonphysical & communicating to channelers rather than AMs who were existing in physicality.
Sorry about not specifying that.

[mattie]

...
According to the discarnate Saints, technically there are no Ascended Masters in The Light at the present time. Those that are purported to be Ascended Masters are actually telepathically projected icons from Group Entities on the fifth or fourth planes. This is an intended deception in order to control and influence people in the flesh.

If there were any true Ascended Masters right now, their god powers in The Light would make them quite obvious to the incarnate populuation. ...

By Ascended Masters I meant those who were nonphysical & channeling to channelers rather than AMs who were existing in physicality w/ us.
Sorry about not specifying that.

[Avadar]

Hi Mattie,

By Ascended Masters I meant those who were nonphysical & communicating to channelers rather than AMs who were existing in physicality. Sorry about not specifying that.
That's fine.

I find the need to define some metaphysical terms for you and will send you a private message about that, as they really are not applicable to this thread topic.

Namaste

[mattie]

For some reason this posted twice.

[mattie]

Hi Mattie,

I find the need to define some metaphysical terms for you and will send you a private message about that, as they really are not applicable to this thread topic.

The PM was interesting. I appreciate your explaining your understanding of these issues & terms. I’m posting it as I thought it might be of interest to others who are reading through this thread.

‘We define Ascended Masters as those who are God Realized and who are expanded to their respective Godhead in The Light of God.

According to the discarnate Sants, there are no Ascended Masters right now but there are people who have the potential to become Ascended Masters after they transition.

To be Post Ascended means to have an Ascended Master who has created a Secondary Godhead Sun (SGS), then an upscale humanoid body (typically defined as an Avataric Form), and then has descended back into that AF, channeling the energies of his or her respective SGS.

Secondary Godhead Sun (SGS) technology, which has yet to emerge just like Ascended and Post Ascended Masters have yet to emerge, entails computerized batteries of energy that are parked in The Light above the seventh plane. Which means that discarnate Saints, much less Group Entities on the fifth or fourth planes, cannot even see them, much less get to them.

An SGS is designed to embrace many functions, not the least of which is to provide powerful Gifts of the Spirit - that go way beyond that of mentalists and angel prophets - to a Post Ascended Master. SGS' are holographically designed to be spherical and/or ring-shaped and intense white in color. There is also a secondary color emitted that varies depending on the particular focus of the respective SGS creator.

By definition, an SGS of even an Ascended or Post Ascended Second Stage Master is more spiritually-telekineically powerful than the largest Group Entities that ever existed, e.g., the GE that provided Issa/Jesus his Gifts of the Spirit.

All this, including more specifics about an Avataric Form, is explained in our BOOK OF SOULS.’

In a subsequent reply I noted, 'By Ascended Masters I meant those who were nonphysical & communicating to channelers rather than AMs who were existing in physicality.'

[mattie]

Thanks for providing more information about this group & their beliefs.

They are specific Saints that work in a fellowship as opposed to being combined into a Group Entity. ...

Who are these discarnate ‘specific Saints’ that are being channeled by the SolistFellowship.com?

The discarnate Saints are people that are on the seventh plane and who have a stable Dominant Aura Color of white. The Society Of Light is a fellowship of discarnate Saints and the membership has fluctuated and changed over the years.
...
SolistFellowship.com

In Googling ‘SolistFellowship.com’ it shows the name being registered on 12/8/10.

http://daily.domain-name-registered.com/2010-10-8-p81.html

Is there a link or information about them prior to 12/8/10?

In exploring the site it seemed to say that Jesus was a negative entity (yellow light as opposed to white light) sent by a group entity in the 4thD. It seemed to equate Chris Angel & Jesus w/ Chris Angel being a lesser form of the Jesus energy.

Additional information about Jesus being sent by this 4D group & the type of energy it was would be interesting.

http://solistfellowship.com/. Click on heading, ‘Criss Angel Group Entity Representation - In The BOOK OF SOULS.

The site states, ‘The infinite god personality concept found in Judaism, Christianity and Islam is false. There is no infinite god personality and this is confirmed by the fact that the Universe has been mathematically and scientifically found to be finite, not endless. A finite yet rarefied Space God created a finite universe with The Light. That rarefied Space God was not and is not the god of any traditional religion but a completely alien one.

The infinite god personality paradigm is promoted by inferior spirits in discarnate communities or Group Entities on the fourth plane in the traditional seven plane or seven heaven paradigm found in various religions and metaphysical philosophies around the world. Those who are psychically aware can discern the typical yellow energies of Group Entities as no soul in The Light can hide their Dominant Aura Color.

Group Entities and their characteristic yellow energies promote the infinite god personality paradigm because they wish to control those in the flesh and so that they can be worshiped as "God." But the "God" they espouse does not exist and they are therefore promoting a deception.

... That is the core essence of what hell is all about, and it has absolutely nothing to do with false god icons like Jesus, Allah, and Yahweh, or any other false god.
...
~ Avadar/Paul Richard ~
12/1/10’

Further down in the site,

‘There is no infinite God personality as is taught in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
The Universe is very large but not infinite, indicating that The Original Creator was vast
but not endless in spiritual development.
Discarnate communities or Group Entities on the fourth plane that by definition have a Dominant Aura Color of yellow:
have distorted the truth for eons so that they could further their respective god icon, be worshiped,
and gain more power and influence over the incarnate population from their collective energies in The Light.
They deceive constantly.’

This seems to say that Jesus & God are false entities promoted by ‘inferior spirits.’

[Avadar]

Hi Mattie,

The reason why I sent you a PM about that material is because it really wasn't pertinent to the thread topic. So if any moderator takes offense, I wish it be known that I did my best to stay on topic.


Who are these discarnate ‘specific Saints’ that are being channeled by the SolistFellowship.com?
The membership fluctuates. If I give you specific names, they may not be valid in a month's time. So I prefer not to do that.

You can contact discarnate Saints through what we term Spiritual Correspondence. You do this basically by using Heart Chakra Radiance (HCR) daily - for proper spiritual alignment - and allocating time to meditate in order to be receptive to their messages.

We have no monopoloy on channeling discarnate Saints. Anyone who uses HCR regularly can do it on their own and we encourage people to do so.

If you used HCR daily for a period of weeks and also started meditating regularly, and then asked the discarnate Saints to confirm everything that is stated in our BOOK OF SOULS, then they will provide you with your own personal validation.

We are all sexual beings and the following also needs to be addressed...

As one progresses in radiance, one eventually comes to embrace what we term the Sacred Erotic. This is difficult to explain unless you experience it for yourself. But what I can state is that we have had two middle-aged Solist women at different times in recent years - one in Canada and one in the UK - who have conveyed to us that their radiance of purified love, purified affection and purified sensuality (in also learning how to avoid lusting after their own body in the process), led them to channeling love from above like never before. They both stated to me that it resulted in them "having the best sex in their lives." THAT is what it is like to embrace the Sacred Erotic. But you are not going to understand what that means unless you significantly improve your ability to love genuinely and deeply from using HCR regularly. Some progress faster than others.


In exploring the site it seemed to say that Jesus was a negative entity (yellow light as opposed to white light) sent by a group entity in the 4thD. It seemed to equate Chris Angel & Jesus w/ Chris Angel being a lesser form of the Jesus energy.

Additional information about Jesus being sent by this 4D group & the type of energy it was would be interesting.
You ask some direct questions. So I will give you some direct answers. If this is offensive to a moderator because it is off topic, please feel free to delete this post.

Jesus/Issa was part of a large discarnate community or large Group Entity on the fourth plane prior to his birth. He was elected by his GE to be their angel prophet. He wanted and they wanted him to fulfill Old Testament messianic prophecy with the help of the Gifts of the Spirit from his Group Entity.

Jesus/Issa was only basically spiritual as an angel prophet. He was not a saint, not a god, and not a son of a god. His Gifts of the Spirit over-inflated him among the incarnate population - which has happened many times before and since with prophets who have had impressive telekinetic gifts - to be more than he actually was in the spiritual sense.

With the help of his gifts, Issa/Jesus completely escaped crucifixion and settled in India. He was revered and wealthy, and for a time he was also married to Mary Magdelene. They divorced. Before he died at the age of 80, he made a declaration that he was the Galilean messiah.

His tomb in India is online:

http://www.tombofjesus.com/

There are also Jewish Group Entities, Muslim Group Entities, Hindu Group Entities, etc. All of them have the characteristic Dominant Aura Color (DAC) of yellow. They cannot hide that. Even today, if you were to tune into the Dominant Aura Color of Christian energies for example, as in faith healing, you would know experientially that their predominate discarnate energy color is yellow. In contrast, if their Dominant Aura Color was intense white, indicative of the eighth plane or higher in spiritual vibration, then one could accurately assume that that energy is coming from one or more Ascended Masters.

There are no Ascended Masters at this time. A God Realized aristocracy is still in its formative stages. Those in the running to be part of that use HCR daily, with the more advanced practitioners thereof having done so for years.

According to the discarnate Saints, presently, the two largest Group Entities in operation around this planet are that of Criss Angel (formerly Simon Magus and Simon the Magician in biblical times - who channeled a Group Entity back then too), and the Group Entity that works to heal people surrounding and through John of God in Brazil. Muslim Group Entities are on the rise in energy and membership because more and more people are converting to Islam. They are expected to be a major pain to Solists - until one of us ascends into The Light - in the not too distant future. The Group Entity of Sai Baba was a problem to Solists years ago. It weakened through the years and then Sai Baba himself died in April. They are no longer a problem to us like they once were.

As stated previously, the Spirit World consists of a large collection of special interest groups. Each vying for more power and control through increased membership. Only the discarnate Saints can see through them and offer an objective overview of the situation.

Namaste

[mattie]

The reason why I sent you a PM about that material is because it really wasn't pertinent to the thread topic. So if any moderator takes offense, I wish it be known that I did my best to stay on topic.

I would think it would be fairly obvious who posted it.

But you are not going to understand what that means unless you significantly improve your ability to love genuinely and deeply from using HCR regularly. Some progress faster than others.

Fairly omniscient to assess what others understand as well as what they need for their journey.
Certain methods that work flawlessly for one person may not do anything for another.

As I've not yet read the HCR link not having time thusfar to downloading another server to try to access it, I can't comment if it is already a technique that I know &/or have used.

There are no Ascended Masters at this time. A God Realized aristocracy is still in its formative stages. Those in the running to be part of that use HCR daily, with the more advanced practitioners thereof having done so for years.

'God Realized aristocracy' !!!!!!!!!!!!!? Wow.
Never heard it put that way. It's also the first time I recall running into information that advises that those who are 'in the running to be part of' the 'God Realized aristocracy' had to use a specific energy technique.

As stated previously, the Spirit World consists of a large collection of special interest groups. Each vying for more power and control through increased membership. Only the discarnate Saints can see through them and offer an objective overview of the situation.

This view of the 'Spirit World' sounds quite divisive. Reminds me of organized religion vying for paying members.

As the 'discarnate Saints' have such valuable information it would be interesting to know more about them, but I understand if you have some sort of constraints in providing more information.
Googling 'discarnate saints'- http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=discarnate+saints&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=%22discarnate+saints%22&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivnsfdb&ei=Lhb7Td-dL6rt0gHQhMTEAw&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=2ed6881790fdf281&biw=1543&bih=890 didn't pull up all that much information outside of discussion type forums.

Thank you for further elaborating on this & the other areas of interest.

[Avadar]

Hi Mattie,

I would think it would be fairly obvious who posted it.
Just covering all bases of diplomacy, as needed. I am new here and I don't want to accidentally break the rules.


Fairly omniscient to assess what others understand as well as what they need for their journey. Certain methods that work flawlessly for one person may not do anything for another.
It has nothing to do with omniscience and everything to do with many years of experience with many people around the world. If I just convey to you my own experience it would not be enough and you would just claim that I am prejudiced or something. So I also occasionally add the experiences of others that I have guided along the way.

An early version of Heart Chakra Radiance (HCR) was taught to people way back in the 1980s. It is "true and tested." It has been compared to every single other consciousness-raising technique and approach out there and none of them come even close in its effectiveness to improve upon the core essence of spiritual development: the ability to love genuinely and deeply.

Thus, HCR DOES IN FACT work FLAWLESSLY if one uses it correctly and conscientiously. Two plus two equals four - not one, five, six, or seven.

The reason why HCR is so important and so effective is because it was not invented but discovered in The Light on the seventh plane, within the Akashic Records centuries ago. It is literally the technique and approach that The Original Creator used (the rarefied Space God that used The Light to orchestrate The Big Bang and, being totally alien, had nothing to do with any traditional religion on any world) to evolve into God Realization and to learn how to stay there. This is addressed in the online BOOK OF SOULS.


'God Realized aristocracy' !!!!!!!!!!!!!? Wow.
Never heard it put that way.
This will also entail a period of turmoil which has already started in the Spirit and which we refer to as the Evolution Revolution. Many do not want this to happen. They wish for things to stay the same. For the center of power and control to remain with Group Entities and for people to not have the opportunity to become a Light Onto Oneself, to grow into stable God Realization and greatly improve upon the basic human condition. They want the old false gods to remain in power so that the Group Entities can maintain the status quo of control and influence. There is also a great deal of jealousy of the new master and what they will be able to do after they return to The Light. Which is why the more one works on HCR and progresses on the Higher Stages of God Realization, the harder it is to get a Gift of Astral Projection.

Imagine if you will one of the dozens of new masters leaving the flesh, even one of the lesser gods (Magi), creating his or her own SGS and then coming back from the dead with Gifts of the Spirit that are more powerful than that of Criss Angel (with his high levitations, walking on water, teleporations, changing water into beer, etc.), Sai Baba (when he did his food and candy manifestations, healings, etc.), Jesus/Issa (when he did his food and healing manifestations, changing water into wine, walking on water, teleporation, etc.), and every other prophet or mentalist that has ever been on this or any other planet. Many on both sides are very opposed to this. They don't want to have to take responsiblility for their growth in a major way and they are insanely jealous of the god powers of the new masters when they are actualized in The Light.

To be in a Group Entity and only basically spiritual at best, is likened to being a rock star - like being on a narcotic. You are overly praised, revered, the rave of beautiful people, sexually adulated, and in some cases worshiped as a god or The God (which doesn't really exist) and you do it without having to go though the trouble of actually being noble and selfless enough to slowly and arduously evolve into God Realization. Those who are a part of that do not want to lose it to people who actually have the ability to become gods after they leave their bodies, prove God Realization, expose Group Entities for what they are, and wake up people to that fact that "Jesus," "Allah," "Yahweh," and all the other traditional gods are all false god icon projections from Group Entities.

It has been said that the Luciferian energies are really not demonic or evil at all but that they are interpreted to be by many who are in or who channel a Group Entity. Technically, there is no infinite god personality above us but Group Entities want us to think that there is so they can use that to control us. The Luciferian energies are not evil at all but entail the pursuit of becoming God Realized and breaking free of Group Entity domination. Those who wish to control with their Group Entities do not want people to become gods for it would take the power and control away from them and put it in the hands of the individual. So they label it demonic when it really is the complete opposite and THEY are the ones who are being evil and demonic.

With the Judeo-Christian-Islamic god being false, then what exactly is being worshiped?

Group Entities.

The ones who have the most to lose if people become their own gods and that is proven in The Light.


This view of the 'Spirit World' sounds quite divisive. As the 'discarnate Saints' have such valuable information it would be interesting to know more about them.
When people transition to the Other Side, their personalities do not just change to become spiritual and harmonious. They bring with them all their faults, prejudice, competiveness (egotism), and lust. That is why the Spirit World is so divisive. The vast majority on the Other Side, as with This Side, are not devoted to The Light.

I can tell you that one of the Saints currently in The Society Of Light is the soul of Eva Markvoort. Her self-chosen Spirit Name is Aylah. Saint Aylah is also the soul of Mary Magdalene. Eva Markvoort led a heroic life and was an advocate of lung transplants for cystic fibrosis patients. She herself suffered from CF and eventually succumbed to it when she was only twenty-five years old, transitioning on March 27, 2010. She made her official entrance into The Society Of Light in December of that year.

There is a film about Eva Markvoort which many in the United States are waiting for the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN) to air. The documentary is called 65 Redroses. Distribution rights prevent Americans from purchasing the DVD from Canada but OWN, who announced that it would be aired last spring, is dragging its feet in showing it, despite various messages (including mine) from Americans to that network at their website.

Perhaps if there is a Canadian among us who can purchase it online. If so, I would pay that person DOUBLE to have it sent to them, and then for them to send it to me. Obviously, Canadian compaines cannot send it to any American directly. For those applicable person or persons, please contact me about this in a private message. Thanks.

http://www.65redroses.com/

http://www.hellocoolworld.com/store/product.php?productid=17514

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-AmSZV3Jbo

Saint Aylah has done the most out of all the discarnate Saints to help the ministry, movement, and higher awareness of Solist Mysticism.


Thank you for further elaborating on this & the other areas of interest.
Sure...you're welcome.

Namaste

[Azlore]

Its mainly a mix of panic and hype that lead people to jump to a conclusion such as a collision with Terra which unfortunately gets people so worked up that they dont study what is really projected to happen.

It is projected to be a close call and it will stir things (like weather here on Terra) with a higher occurrence rate than we have seen but most importantly it is not projected to hit, rather pass us by.

[Avadar]

Hi Azlore,

Its mainly a mix of panic and hype that lead people to jump to a conclusion such as a collision with Terra which unfortunately gets people so worked up that they dont study what is really projected to happen.

It is projected to be a close call and it will stir things (like weather here on Terra) with a higher occurrence rate than we have seen but most importantly it is not projected to hit, rather pass us by.
Exactly.

Thank you for your insightful and succinct summary.
:occasion14:

Namaste

[Scibat]

Its mainly a mix of panic and hype that lead people to jump to a conclusion such as a collision with Terra which unfortunately gets people so worked up that they dont study what is really projected to happen.

Yep, this is true. I think people like the hype and there is a segment of humanity want there to be some kind of global event. I won't speculate why they would want this, I'm not a psychologist, but there seems to be some need for at least the fear of a doomsday event.

It is projected to be a close call and it will stir things (like weather here on Terra) with a higher occurrence rate than we have seen but most importantly it is not projected to hit, rather pass us by.

If you mean Comet Elenin, its not going to be that close. At its closest(In October) it will be 22 million miles away (According to NASA) by comparison the moon is approx. 240,000 miles away. So Elenin will be much farther out than lunar orbit, and will have no noticeable effect on earth.

[Avadar]

Hi All,

The discarnate Saints in The Society Of Light do not predict that Elenin will collide with Terra this coming fall.

But apparently there are those in NASA who feel the need to warn their employees of that strong possibility.

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/05/comet-elenin-white-house-letter.html

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/06/nasa-sent-out-familypersonal.html

Sorry NASA...

I side with the discarnate Saints on this issue. :cool:

Namaste

[Scibat]

Hi All,

The discarnate Saints in The Society Of Light do not predict that Elenin will collide with Terra this coming fall.

But apparently there are those in NASA who feel the need to warn their employees of that strong possibility.

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/05/comet-elenin-white-house-letter.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .ufo-blogger.com%252F2011%252F05%252Fcomet-elenin-white-house-letter.html)

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/06/nasa-sent-out-familypersonal.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .ufo-blogger.com%252F2011%252F06%252Fnasa-sent-out-familypersonal.html)

Sorry NASA...

I side with the discarnate Saints on this issue. :cool:

Namaste
Here we go again, more fear mongering. Can we see a legitimate source for that letter? From a government website? From NASA? A legitimate news service? I searched and cannot find a government or legitimate news page that mentions that letter anywhere. It only seems to show up on conspiracy websites.

Here are some actual data though:

Comet Elenin hitting Earth? It is going to pass at 34,000,000 km that is 88.5 times further than the Moon.

It is about 1/4th the distance of the Earth to the Sun. To put it in perspective, Venus is 38,000,000 km at its closest and no collisions there.

Sorry discarnate spirits, check your facts and try again. :glasses3:

[Avadar]

Scibat,

Did you bother to check the references?

Did you see the White House letter?

Did you see the video from the NASA official?

It is NASA and the White House that say there is a problem with Elenin colliding with the planet, not the discarnate Saints.

What part of that don't you understand?

[Avadar]

<< Interestingly, Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) was only “discovered” by civilian Leonid Elenin on December 10, 2010, in the official White House letter below, written back in late October 2010, the White House addressed the possibility of a Comet/Asteroid striking the Earth. >>

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/05/comet-elenin-white-house-letter.html

White House letter that contains the warning:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/40067765/Ostp-Letter-Neos-House-1

[Scibat]

Scibat,

Did you bother to check the references?

Did you see the White House letter?

Did you see the video from the NASA official?

It is NASA and the White House that say there is a problem with Elenin colliding with the planet, not the discarnate Saints.

What part of that don't you understand?
I checked the references. For argument's sake let's say it is a real letter.

So what?

NASA has been pushing the government to prepare for NEO collisions for over a decade now, this is nothing new or alarming. The letter, is a general briefing not a warning, again nothing out of the ordinary. The letter was allegedly circulated in October 2010, right around when the comet was discovered, so what does that mean? Absolutely nothing, it's called a coincidence, they do happen (And Elenin was discovered in December, so not much a coincidence at all really.)
Yes, we need to be prepared for something possibly hitting Earth, because someday an asteroid or comet will be on a collision course with our planet.

But it won't be Comet Elenin.

As for the video, it's a safety awareness video reminding employees to go over the company emergency preparedness plans. This again is nothing special, the main NASA facilities are in coastal areas and have been hit by hurricanes in the past, furthermore NASA would be a prime target for terrorists (Both are mentioned in the video supporting that is what this video is about and NOT an impact event.). Most large companies and civilian agencies have emergency preparedness plans (I used to work for one such, so the video looked very familiar to me.) Once more there is nothing alarming, shocking, or out of the ordinary here.

This is just more fear mongering nonsense, two unrelated things from NASA, taken out of context and woven together to support a supposed government conspiracy to cover a doomsday event.

[Avadar]

Obviously Scibat, many people disagree with your appraisal that absolutely nothing will happen at all with Elenin.

[Scibat]

Obviously Scibat, many people disagree with your appraisal that absolutely nothing will happen at all with Elenin.

Fear mongering conspiracy theorists always will. Even in the face of overwhelming facts, rational arguments and scientific data they will cling desperately to their doomsday scenarios and conspiracy theories.

You haven't even addressed any of the facts I have presented, wherein I have actually addressed your assertions and provided evidence that they are wrong. (I would say mistaken, but you have repeatedly shown willful ignorance of the data and one can only assume you will continue to cling to your own version of things regardless of what I say or information I provide.)

[Azlore]

Fear mongering conspiracy theorists always will. Even in the face of overwhelming facts, rational arguments and scientific data they will cling desperately to their doomsday scenarios and conspiracy theories.


I would say that if information creates fear than that should be enough to look into the subject to inform and prepare yourself, not hide in a corner just because the information maybe too much to take in.

[Avadar]

Since 2010, NASA and the White House officially addressed the possiblity of a major comet impacting the planet and that it would have a devastating effect. That is not fear mongering. Those that feel that it is should complain to NASA and the White House for doing so.

Now there is a significant celestial body approaching, Elenin, to come into this system and be between the Sun and Earth/Terra this fall. Recently, NASA just happened to release emergency preparedness information to its employees in the event of a disaster which they did not spell out directly.

It is widely understood that no federal agency, including FEMA, NASA and the White House, will openly and officially declare ANY emergency from space because they do not desire to cause a panic. We can't even get the government to come clean about aliens and UFO's, so it is not much of a stretch that they won't declare an official emergency from space, even if there was one as they percieve it. Unless of course, they have no choice, as with 9-11.

In using simple deduction, many have read between the lines of the recent events and official declarations, as they have unfolded, and have come to the conclusion that the government is concernd and that therefore they should be concerned as well.

[Avadar]

Hi Azlore,

I would say that if information creates fear than that should be enough to look into the subject to inform and prepare yourself, not hide in a corner just because the information maybe too much to take in.
Which takes objectivity, courage and conviction. :wink:

Namaste

[Miss Hepburn]

I don't think this link has been posted here yet:

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com:80/videos/comet-eleninnibirubrown-dwarf-twin/comet-elenin-is-definitely-not-planet-x-or-nibiru.html (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com:80/videos/comet-eleninnibirubrown-dwarf-twin/comet-elenin-is-definitely-not-planet-x-or-nibiru.html)

Enjoy! :smile:

[Avadar]

Hi Miss Hepburn,

That is a good reference site which illuminates the important point that Elenin is not Nibiru/Planet X, and that it is much smaller by comparison.

Nibiru was discovered by NASA in 1983 and it is estimated to be 5 times the size of earth. Elenin was discovered just last year and it is a mere four miles in diameter.

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/comet-eleninnibirubrown-dwarf-twin/comet-elenin-is-definitely-not-planet-x-or-nibiru.html

Thanks. :smile:

Namaste

[Scibat]

Since 2010, NASA and the White House officially addressed the possiblity of a major comet impacting the planet and that it would have a devastating effect. That is not fear mongering. Those that feel that it is should complain to NASA and the White House for doing so.

Now there is a significant celestial body approaching, Elenin, to come into this system and be between the Sun and Earth/Terra this fall. Recently, NASA just happened to release emergency preparedness information to its employees in the event of a disaster which they did not spell out directly.

It is widely understood that no federal agency, including FEMA, NASA and the White House, will openly and officially declare ANY emergency from space because they do not desire to cause a panic. We can't even get the government to come clean about aliens and UFO's, so it is not much of a stretch that they won't declare an official emergency from space, even if there was one as they percieve it. Unless of course, they have no choice, as with 9-11.

In using simple deduction, many have read between the lines of the recent events and official declarations, as they have unfolded, and have come to the conclusion that the government is concernd and that therefore they should be concerned as well.
It's not deduction it's wild speculation based on several unrelated events. In the past there have been several objects come much closer than Comet Elenin. Since NASA has been studying and cataloging them it has been trying to get a plan of action in the works (For many years now).

Here is a huge public list, provided by NASA of close approach NEO objects, including ALL relevant data about them (So much for big NASA cover-ups.). You can even watch a model of the objects in question in a small simulation.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=Elenin;orb=0;cov=0;log=0;cad=1#cad (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fssd.jpl.nasa.gov%2Fsbd b.cgi%3Fsstr%3DElenin%3Borb%3D0%3Bcov%3D0%3Blog%3D 0%3Bcad%3D1%23cad)

If you look at that list, there are lots of things out there that come even closer than Comet Elenin will, and would do very bad things if they hit the Earth. Elenin data is there too, just type "Elenin" in the search box.

As for the White House letter (If its genuine), is simply NASA trying to lay out a plan of action for an impact event, because someday, one could occur. This is not new, as I said before NASA had been trying to get the Government to take the threat seriously and give them funding to do something about it for about a decade. The letter happened to go out two months before Elenin was discovered, so what? That means nothing (Unless you are a conspiracy theorist.).

The video, is even less interesting. It's a reminder to go over emergency preparedness plans, most NASA facilities are in hurricane prone areas, and its... wait for it... Hurricane season. So let's think here for a moment, what is the more likely scenario:

NASA has sent out a video to ask its employees to go over emergency preparations because it's the start of hurricane season.
NASA has sent out a video to ask its employees to go over emergency preparations because a comet is going to unleash havoc on the Earth soon.Here is a hint for the clueless, in that video the NASA director mentions hurricanes specifically. Not really rocket science here (Pun intended).

Also, Nibiru is another myth. It has not been discovered (Show me NASA data) it does not exist. If there were such a body in the solar system, it would have been discovered by the way it's gravity would affect other objects in the solar system. Or it would have been seen by astronomers. The brown dwarf theory falls apart as well because we have discovered (As in can see) brown dwarfs as far away as Pleiades. One would not go unnoticed in our own solar system, it would also seriously affect the orbits of other bodies in the system.

[Avadar]

Scibat,

In the emergency preparedness video from NASA, which you apparently did not listen to at length (is "selective memory" the problem?) he mentioned earthquakes, hurricanes, 9-11 type attacks from outside forces, and natural disasters in general.

Not just hurricanes.

Secondly, the government has lied to us many times about many things, and we have no reason to believe that they would not lie - or at least not inform us of the entire situation - about Elenin as well. Or for that matter, any other celestial object that could cause a disruption.

What is the problem with being prepared for the unexpected?



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[Scibat]

Scibat,
In the emergency preparedness video from NASA, which you apparently did not listen to at length (is "selective memory" the problem?) he mentioned earthquakes, hurricanes, 9-11 type attacks from outside forces, and natural disasters in general.

Not just hurricanes.
Re-read what I said. I said hurricanes are specifically mentioned, not solely mentioned, not just mentioned. Also the video coincides with the start of hurricane season, which I feel explains the timing of the video's release.

Secondly, the government has lied to us many times about many things, and we have no reason to believe that they would not lie - or at least not inform us of the entire situation - about Elenin as well. Or for that matter, any other celestial object that could cause a disruption.
The government does engage in disinformation, I won't deny that. However there is no valid reason to assume they are here, the argument "the government lies" just doesn't hold any water in this case as the data in question can easily be verified by private astronomers and academic institutions. If NASA were wrong or "lying" one of these other groups I mentioned would have come forward with verifiable data by now. Unless of course they are in on the conspiracy too.

What is the problem with being prepared for the unexpected?
Nothing whatsoever, exactly what NASA is doing. What most large organizations do yearly. The problem in this case stems from making up outlandish stories about comets wreaking havoc on the earth, dwarf stars in our solar system and other such nonsense, and without proof (Just your discarnate spirits word on the matter.) asking people to prepare for for a disaster that won't even happen.

Do you know another guy did the same thing, not too long ago. His name is Harold Camping. His big disaster was the rapture, yours is this Comet Elenin (Or is it a dwarf star, since you said that initially?).


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[Avadar]

Scibat,

Your conclusion is that the timing of the NASA video release is primarily due to hurricane season.

That is incorrect.

If that were the case, then he would have said that directly. There would be no reason for him not to say that. Moreover, there were other potential problems that were mentioned point blank in the video. Namely, 9-11 attacks from an outside source, earthquakes, natural disasters, etc.

Thus, the NASA video was not produced and released solely for the purpose of warning people about the potential problems of hurricanes.


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[Scibat]

Scibat,

Your conclusion is that the timing of the NASA video release is primarily due to hurricane season.

That is incorrect.

And you have what data to support that assertion? Just more speculation.

If that were the case, then he would have said that directly. There would be no reason for him not to say that. Moreover, there were other potential problems that were mentioned point blank in the video. Namely, 9-11 attacks from an outside source, earthquakes, natural disasters, etc.

And hurricanes. Again I never said hurricanes were the only threat, but that the start of hurricane reason would explain the timing of the video. The truth is, unless NASA comes forth with an explanation as to the timing of the video no-one will ever know for certain. Not that I feel they owe anyone an explanation as the video is nothing extraordinary or alarming.

Thus, the NASA video was not produced and released solely for the purpose of warning people about the potential problems of hurricanes.

This is the second or third time in this thread you have misrepresented what I said, twisted it, then glued your statements to it as proof of my being wrong.

I will quote a previous post as proof:


As for the video, it's a safety awareness video reminding employees to go over the company emergency preparedness plans. This again is nothing special, the main NASA facilities are in coastal areas and have been hit by hurricanes in the past, furthermore NASA would be a prime target for terrorists (Both are mentioned in the video supporting that is what this video is about and NOT an impact event.). Most large companies and civilian agencies have emergency preparedness plans (I used to work for one such, so the video looked very familiar to me.) Once more there is nothing alarming, shocking, or out of the ordinary here.

Look, I mentioned terrorism as well (And highlighted that section so it can't be missed), thus I never said the video was solely about hurricanes. I did say I FEEL (Note the word) that based on June 1st being the start of Hurricane season, that is the most logical reason for the release of the video.


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[Kaere]

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[Avadar]

Unusual environmental disruptions are often caused by unique celestial conditions.

Wildfires run rampant from drought and rising flood waters are resulting in a crisis mode situation regarding three nuclear power plants in the United States and the population that lives around them, currently being evacuated.

Here is a timely report from MSNBC, aired just yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qqHyDcns7Hg

Cheers!

[Scibat]

Unusual environmental disruptions are often caused by unique celestial conditions.
These events have nothing to do with any celestial objects, or even each other. Unless there is proof otherwise, which I have yet to see, this is just more wild speculation.

Wildfires run rampant from drought and rising flood waters are resulting in a crisis mode situation regarding three nuclear power plants in the United States and the population that lives around them, currently being evacuated.

Here is a timely report from MSNBC, aired just yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qqHyDcns7Hg (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Ffeature%2525253Dplayer_embedded%252 52526amp%2525253Bv%2525253DqqHyDcns7Hg)

Cheers!
The news story is about separate events, one of which is due to flooding that started back in the spring. If you believe in Global Warming, that is more likely the culprit in the floods than anything in space. However here is an interesting article about the reason for the floods, and its man made, not from space:

http://www.aim.org/on-target-blog/are-midwest-floods-caused-by-global-warming-or-radical-environmentalists/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aim.org%2Fon-target-blog%2Fare-midwest-floods-caused-by-global-warming-or-radical-environmentalists%2F)

But the flooding has been going on for months, attaching it to some celestial event is just ludicrous.

As for the Los Alamos fire, its summer time in the Southwest, wildfires are not uncommon at all. (The one near Los Alamos is 1 of 3 that started in Arizona, and of those investigated 2 were man made, the current Los Alamos fire is under investigation.) The wind is taking it close to the nuclear facility, so they are evacuating people, smart move. This has nothing to do with any celestial objects, again wildfires happen at this time of year in that region.

[Azlore]

Scibat, your looking too deep into a video that is basically saying "get out of these areas" to anyone with common sense, that is the most important part to take from the video.

We cant alter celestial objects but we can make ourselves aware and prepare for what is happening in different locations in the US for example.

[Scibat]

Scibat, your looking too deep into a video that is basically saying "get out of these areas" to anyone with common sense, that is the most important part to take from the video.

We cant alter celestial objects but we can make ourselves aware and prepare for what is happening in different locations in the US for example.

My statements were based on this:

Unusual environmental disruptions are often caused by unique celestial conditions.

Based on the above statement and the topic of the thread, it implies that the OP believes there is some celestial body (Comet Elenin/Brown Dwarf Star) causing these events. I find that, highly implausible to put it politely and refute the assertion some celestial object is influencing let alone causing these events.

However, If the topic has now become about disasters in general then perhaps a new thread is in order. :glasses3:

[mattie]

...
This will also entail a period of turmoil which has already started in the Spirit and which we refer to as the Evolution Revolution. Many do not want this to happen. They wish for things to stay the same. For the center of power and control to remain with Group Entities and for people to not have the opportunity to become a Light Onto Oneself, to grow into stable God Realization and greatly improve upon the basic human condition. They want the old false gods to remain in power so that the Group Entities can maintain the status quo of control and influence. There is also a great deal of jealousy of the new master and what they will be able to do after they return to The Light. (My bolding of 'There is ...'.)

Who is this ‘new master.’ What will this ‘new master’ control about us & is this part of what you said was the emerging ‘God Realized aristocracy?’ (6-16-11, 7:54 pm post)
All information that can be provided about this ‘new master’ & this emerging 'aristocracy'would be useful.

I’m a little confused about what you mean by ‘God‘ in these explanations.

You stated, ‘To be in a Group Entity and only basically spiritual at best, is likened to being a rock star - like being on a narcotic. You are overly praised, revered, the rave of beautiful people, sexually adulated, and in some cases worshiped as a god or The God (which doesn't really exist) and you do it without having to go though the trouble of actually being noble and selfless enough to slowly and arduously evolve into God Realization. Those who are a part of that do not want to lose it to people who actually have the ability to become gods after they leave their bodies, prove God Realization, expose Group Entities for what they are, and wake up people to that fact that "Jesus," "Allah," "Yahweh," and all the other traditional gods are all false god icon projections from Group Entities.’ (6-17-11, 4:43 pm) (My bolding.)

The ‘new master’ & ‘God Realized aristocracy’ seemed to be described as a positive development??? You stated, ‘The God (which doesn't really exist).’ Is the ‘God’ that is creating this ‘aristocracy’ & the ‘new master’ a different ‘God’ than the one described above as being a projection of the GE? If not, how is this new 'God' seen to be the real one?

I appreciate you providing further context about your POV.

[Avadar]

The heat index for Washington DC, Maryland, and Virginia over the next few days is higher than anywhere else in the continental United States. Meteriologists report this occurrence as highly unusual.

One can only wonder if this is at least in part due to the influence of Elenin in disrupting solar winds. :icon_eek:

<< A potentially deadly combination of heat and humidity is upon us. We have not seen a combination of heat and humidity this intense in a number of years. Excessive heat warnings are in effect from noon to 8 p.m. both today and tomorrow, when heat indices may near or exceed 110 degrees. If you must be outside for extended periods of time (e.g. folks attending the Civil War festivities in Manassas), hydrate frequently and take indoor breaks. We have the chance to challenge high temperature records and may also set record high minimum (night time) temperatures. This heat and humidity fest only slowly fades into early next week. >>

<< Today: Sunny and extremely hot and humid. 97-102. | Tonight: Clear and muggy. 74-80. | Tomorrow: Excessive heat and humidity, isolated p.m. t-storms. 97-104. >>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/forecast-dangerous-heat-through-saturday/2011/05/01/gIQAHrivQI_blog.html

That's 102 and 104 degrees Fahrenheit, not Celsius. (Conversion: http://www.metric-conversions.org/temperature/celsius-to-fahrenheit.htm[B])

Stay Cool! :smile:

[Avadar]

I appreciate you providing further context about your POV.
Mattie,

As this really has nothing to do with the thread topic, I will answer you in the thread about Solist Mysticism.

:angel8:

[mattie]

As this really has nothing to do with the thread topic, I will answer you in the thread about Solist Mysticism.

As you mentioned the ‘new master’ in your response it isn’t off the thread topic at all, but requesting a clarification of your response.
I just read your ‘Primer On Solist Mysticism’ & didn’t see where it discussed this ‘new master.’ It may well have been inferred in some way, but I didn't get what is meant by our 'new master.' 'New master' implies that we are to be controlled by someone or something as well as that we are currently being controlled by a current master.

They want the old false gods to remain in power so that the Group Entities can maintain the status quo of control and influence. There is also a great deal of jealousy of the new master and what they will be able to do after they return to The Light. (My caps.)

What or who is our ‘new master?’

[Time]

SO how close is "close"? BEcause if a star came anywher enear our solarsystem, we would all be done for, no and if or buts.

[mattie]

http://www.home-weather-stations-guide.com/heat-waves.html

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Heat_wave

http://news.yahoo.com/heat-dome-traps-much-us-pressure-cooker-093241732.html

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_causes_a_heatwave

[Avadar]

As you mentioned the ‘new master’ in your response it isn’t off the thread topic at all, but requesting a clarification of your response.
I just read your ‘Primer On Solist Mysticism’ & didn’t see where it discussed this ‘new master.’ It may well have been inferred in some way, but I didn't get what is meant by our 'new master.' 'New master' implies that we are to be controlled by someone or something as well as that we are currently being controlled by a current master.

(My caps.)

What or who is our ‘new master?’
That was simply a typo. It should have read "new masters."

New masters was a reference to those who have already progressed on the Higher Stages of God Realization, the Magi and Elders thereof. Group Entities are insanely jealous of anyone who is on the Higher Stages. Simply because those people, once they cross over to the Other Side, will have more energy individually in The Light than Group Entities or discarnate communities have collectively in The Light. A LOT more energy.

There are no messianic or savior figures, or ascended masters for that matter, in Solist Mysticism. Everyone is expected to use HCR and become a Light Unto Oneself. This is in stark contrast to traditional scripture and archaic notions whereby we are all expected to wait for a messianic figure or ascended master to save us in some way - which never happens. This reminds me of the historical event known as the Black Death in Europe during the fourteenth century. A consequence of which was that a belief in angels and God greatly lessened.

Henceforth, please direct all inquiries of this nature in the Primer on Solist Mysticism thread, as I will not address them in here again.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18060

Thank you.

[Avadar]

Hi Time,

SO how close is "close"? BEcause if a star came anywher enear our solarsystem, we would all be done for, no and if or buts.
I don't think that we would be automatically destroyed if a star or comet enters our solar system. Not unless there is a direct collision with Terra. Even then it might not cause total destruction.

In Elenin's case, whether you label it a comet or a dwarf star, in October it will come as close as 22 million miles to us.

But the key point about that is its trajectory. It will pass in-between Terra and Sol (our star). Any gravitational disruption from it passing by could temporarily alter the solar winds and that in and of itself could cause a heat wave here, among other environmental disruptions.

No destruction, only disruption.

Opinions vary but that is mine. I don't think the current heat wave and flooding is due to global warming. :smile:

[LadyVirgoxoxo]

Hmm I do believe that Elenin has a lot to do with what's been going on here on our planet, yet I don't believe it will be the end of days as some people are claiming when it comes close to our Earth. There will be catastrophes though. :confused1:

[Avadar]

Hmm I do believe that Elenin has a lot to do with what's been going on here on our planet, yet I don't believe it will be the end of days as some people are claiming when it comes close to our Earth. There will be catastrophes though. :confused1:
Exactly what the discarnate Saints in The Society Of Light espouse!

An environmental disruption, not an end of civilization.

Like the 6.0 earthquake that occurred yesterday on the East Coast of the US, centered in Mineral, Virginia, as well as the other recent earthquakes around the world, e.g., in Southern Colorado.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPWJ_SBWr1U

A number of astronomical analysts espouse that it is supposed to get even worse environmentally this fall. If we can make it to the January-February time frame, we'll have survived Elenin's influence on the solar winds and gravitational fields which cause the current disruptions.

All we have to do is ride out the storms, tsunamis, and earthquakes!

Cheers!

[Time]

OK, i just dealt with this in another forum, and Im going to post it here, slightly edited for the purpose of this thread...



irst off, dont take this the wrong way. I dont agree with the whole ANNUNAKI ARE COMMIN TO RAPE MEH BAYBAYS!!. And I also disagree with not sharing proper sources. There has been lots of talk about this section, and I think an example of a proper conspiracy therad needs to be done... Weve all seen so many of the niburu movies, so I dont think I will post one.... The general story goes as follows:

So many millions of years ago, the annunaki came to earth, and enslaved humanity.

They left, leaving us to ourselves, but most couldnt leave, so they "body snatched" people, and have been in the ruling elite ever since.

The planet niburu is comming back around in its odd orbit, and the annunaki are comming back to take back the planet....

Now all of a sudden, its comming on a collision course with earth??

This was created by a man named Zecharia Sitchin, who read the sumarian tablets himself, and determined that they were a warning...


Here are some of the "sources" of this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision ( i liek wikipedia, especialy if the pages are well sourced, but this gives a good quick read)
http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html ( this one always pops up on religious forums)
http://planetnibiru.org/


Ok Now lets take a step back into reality...


First things first.... Sitchen, couldnt read Sumarian to save his life. It would be the equivalent of me going to the pyramids, and "decyphering" the hyroglyphics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm

That alone, ****s on the conspiracy. He cant read sumarian, he cant have interpreted the texts right, hes a douche... But lets go a bit deeper:

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

So how the hell did he get mixed up? You need to understand a bit about religion, as the texts used were religious/astrological texts...

Niburu - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_(Babylonian_astronomy)

anninaki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annunaki


So, they were basicaly a planet (yes), and gods (yes), but the context Sitchan, and Ike go into is over assumed. The babylonians, and all other pagan civs, studied the stars above almost all else. Their rituals, calenders, and the like were all bound to astrological cycles and movements. They named certain points as markers for certain things, and used certain stars as guides to find others. The Enuma Elish, is a giant astrological aligory. They humanized, or anthropimophised the gods to better understand them, but the stories are based in actual scientific observation of the sky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamian_pantheon
http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Enuma_Elish.html

So why all the hubbub? Because one man, decided to "read" the texts, that couldnt read the language it was written in, and he took the texts literally, instead of their own aligorical intention. A simple yahoo search of "anninaki" brings you to the wikipedia page, with a host of sources to start looking. Instead most people take the peoples info like Sitchen as gold because "he already did the research himself"....

If you really want to learn about niburu, and the Anninaki, go to your local museum, im the ancient world section, and ask about Babylonian mythology.

The way I see it is, we dont think zeus, or appolo, Thor, or Odin is real. So why should we take the babylonian myths as truth?

Here are some inputs from fellow forum members in regards to planet x hitting earth..


A friend, whom is a astrophysisist major stated:

Ok here's the simplest debunk you've ever heard.

If a planet or comet of such size that it's gravity actually effected our tectonic plates it would now be visible to the naked eye for all to see.
Also gravity is one the the four fundamental forces of our universe, it's also the weakest. The farther you get from something, the less influence gravity has. The dwarf planet or comet would have to be made of such dense material for it to effect us that far out it would literally such the sun towards it, much like a black hole.

Source: Astrophysics is my major."""

This goes with it..

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newtongrav.html

Now as far as the earthquakes and what not.... The earths magnetic pole is moving. IT has happened many, many times in our planets history. Not to mention the earths crust is unstable, and unpredictable. Old fault likes that are "inactive" can randomly become active again... this may be cause by some sort of astrological cycle, with the sun etc, but not a planet... It is nothing new.

Yeah, its weird that its happening before a time in which many people say old civs say there will be a shift of some sort. Does it prove it? No, does it disprove it? No....

The main thing is, if its a comet, it was seen by the babylonians, and recorded in their records by their astronomers. Thats it. A planet, or a star that would come even close to the solar system, would wipe out the entire solar system in a very, very shot time. Ask nasa about that one, because they will tell you the same thing...

No 'ascended" people, that only you can hear (no offence), will ever, ever debunk what is happening, and PROVEN to be happening. IF the message was so clear, those ascended people will have told everyone, not one person. There would be no point in that at all...

[Avadar]

Hi Time,

Can we assume then, at least from your "avatar" that you are a Christian mystic?

Let's start with this point you made...

No 'ascended" people, that only you can hear (no offence), will ever, ever debunk what is happening, and PROVEN to be happening. IF the message was so clear, those ascended people will have told everyone, not one person. There would be no point in that at all...
First, most of the people on the Other Side are like most of the people on This Side, i.e., not devoted to The Light. Which means that higher awareness is very hard to come by. You only truly and consistently get it from those on the sixth and seventh planes where the discarnate Saints reside. Seventh is best. You know it is from the seventh plane by seeing and/or sensing the Dominant Aura Color behind any channeled message; it must be white in color.

Secondly, there are no Ascended Masters at present. If there were, they would be here now - on international television - inspiring, teaching, and performing miracles of healing and telekinesis all over the place.

Why?

Because...

COMPASSION IS THE LITMUS TEST OF BEING HIGHLY EVOLVED.

To be in the Spirit as a God Realized soul and then not being around physically (i.e., as a Post Ascended Master) means there aren't any Ascended Masters right now!

[This is a very strong argument in itself as to why Jesus/Issa is also not an Ascended Master. But I digress.]

The best we got right now until one of the stable Pre-Ascended masters ascends into The Light are the discarnate Saints.

Third, various people have had similar messages given to them intuitively. But the message immediately butts heads with all the other interpretations of what is happening.

Fourth, I am not the only person on this planet who channels the discarnate Saints in The Society Of Light. A couple of other examples are Alandra and Azlore. Read our Solist Bible, linked at the bottom of our home page to get an idea. Over the years, others in the Solist Fellowship have also channeled one or more discarnate Saints.

Frankly, anyone can channel discarnate Saints if he or she uses Heart Chakra Radiance daily and conscientiously. The Saints then slowly begin to work through and around HCR practitioners in service to others and The Light.

Since the 1970s, I've done my own independent investigations on the issues you have raised. As an award-winning Ufologist as well as a very experienced Metaphysician and Spiritual Medium, here are some of my conclusions:

1. Zecharia Sitchin has said publicly that he expects Nibiru/Planet X/Marduk to return but not for a long time, and certainly not in the near future. So much on that topic.

2. The Anunnaki, which means "Those Who From Heaven To Earth Came" were essentially Reticulan Reptilians. Their civilization never left. As is verified by various members of The Disclosure Project under Dr. Steven Greer (whose New Age conclusions I don't agree with): there are various Reticulan-alien underground and underwater bases around the world and one large one in the Moon.

3. The Reticulan Empire, with the Reptilians and Preying Mantis aliens representative of the Zetan ruling elite, and the tall and short Greys, Hybrids, and Nordics all serving under them, are parasitic in nature. They prey upon humanoid worlds that are too weak to defend themselves against their advanced physically-based technology. They are not spiritually focused or Service-To Others (STO) oriented, but harbor the Service-To-Self (STS) mindset.

4. Various former governmental insiders, like Ret. US Army Sgt. Clifford Stone and physicist and engineer Robert Lazar who worked at S4 in 1989 to reverse-engineer confiscated Zetan spacecraft: have both said publicly that they have seen governmental briefing documents that state point blank that the aliens stem from Reticulum 4 in the Zeta 2 Reticuli System. The classic UFO abduction story of Betty and Barney Hill and the star map that was eventually deciphered by a brilliant astronomer named Marjorie Fish, also confirm that the aliens are based not on Nibiru but on Reticulum 4.

http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Zeta_Reticuli_Incident.htm

5. Not only do the archaeological conclusions of Zecharia Sitchin point to the Anunnaki/Reticulans tampering with hominid DNA hundreds of thousands of years ago in order to produce a slave race of Homo sapiens to work the mines (because they found them to be cheaper than using robots), but it is also confirmed, albeit unofficially, by the United States Air Force through journalist, author, and television producer Linda Moulton Howe - as she testified in the Companion Tape of the documentary known as The Mysterious Origins of Man.

http://bcvideo.com/bmom12.html

6. A logical extrapolation of the above: the Anunnaki lied to the Sumerians when they told them that they came from Nibiru. If you are spiritually indifferent, high-tech humanoids on a venture of conquest, it is not much of a stretch that you neglect to inform your slaves about your true home world. At best, Nibiru was only a stopping point or base between here and the Zeta 2 Reticuli System.

7. The Anunnaki/Reticulans never left and they prefer to continue their subtle subjugation or harvesting of this world for as long as possible. (Abductees have asked their Zetan captors why they do what they do in the first place. The answer: this planet is rich in raw genetic material.) It is therefore in the best interest of the Reticulans to not pursue open disclosure. They perform light shows in our skies in order to indirectly prove that it is they, not our own air forces or space programs, who are the ones who truly dominate space.

8. Many Ufologists believe that the ongoing, long-term breeding program to produce a large race of Hybrids, is ultimately geared to have an occupational army for an official overthrow of Terran governments. However, the Reticulans do not see a rush for this to occur unless they feel that this "large farm" is somehow in major danger, which technically it is not.

http://www.ufoabduction.com/straighttalk.htm

9. Terran physically-based technology will not defeat The Reticulan Empire or any other Space Race empire. The Anunnaki/Reticulans have a much larger arsenal of antimatter weapons and these are far more powerful than traditional nuclear variations. Physicist and engineer Robert Lazar explains this in his free, online documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3LbkAbmJQw

10. The Reticulan Empire spans hundreds of systems and their interstellar manufacturing base out-produces Terra many times over.

11. The Anunnaki/Reticulans are the ones who defeated the ancient nuclear power of Atala (aka Atlantis). This occurred about twelve thousand years ago. The nuclear holocaust from that also resulted in global earthquakes, the tilting of the planetary axis, and The Great Flood which is documented in various ancient cultures. The Original Creator, the rarefied Space God that used the non-living and infinite Light to orchestrate The Big Bang, who had nothing to do with the formation of any religion, and who has yet to come into this space-time continuum: did not cause The Great Flood to punish humanity. A nuclear war caused that to happen. The Reticulans nuked us before and if they see the need for it they will do so again.

12. The ONLY way to defeat advanced physically-based technology is with advanced spiritually-based technology. Not witchcraft or Christian-Jewish-Islamic voodoo, but Godcraft from using the disciplined approach Heart Chakra Radiance over a period of years, and then transitioning and becoming a Co-Creator or Ascended Master in The Light.

http://69.175.29.26/~thesoci4/HeartChakraRadianceExplained.pdf

Cheers!

[LadyVirgoxoxo]

Who is Issa? Who calls jesus Issa? Your last link doesn't work by the way.

[Avadar]

Who is Issa? Who calls jesus Issa? Your last link doesn't work by the way.
The link works fine. Just checked it myself. Your Windows program and/or browser may be the problem. Try the Google Chrome browser as it is the fastest and works the best.

The Islamic name for Jesus, as it is stated in the Quran, is Isa or Issa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/quran-jesus.html

More...

<< Issa is the Arabic name of Jesus. >>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_years_of_Jesus

More still...

<< Kersten claims that there are more than twenty-one historical documents that bear witness to the existence of Jesus in Kashmir, where he was known also as Yuz Asaf and Issa. >>

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm

Carpe Diem!

[Mind's Eye]

I'm sorry folks... but many people have made doomsday predictions before. There have even been individuals who say they channel all of these "light beings" and "high spiritual societies" who have told of coming earth changes. None have ever come to pass. I have read many of these books in the past.. some are still in my library as out of print keepsakes of an era gone by.

I suspect that this autumn season will come and go, and nothing will happen. Will we then get another message that tells us that we were spared because mankind was ill-prepared and a bunch of non-believers? Or will we be told that the changes were spiritual and not physical after all? We have gotten many such, "after the fact" messages before; both from New Age gurus and modern Christian prophets.

I mean no disrespect and I know we all have our cherished beliefs. But what happenes when this event does not occur? What will this say of the messangers who supposedly handed this prophecy down to mankind? These questions should be considered.

Blessings.

[Avadar]

...many people have made doomsday predictions before.
Yep, and TSOL is not predicting anything more than what we have and are already experiencing: flooding, storms, tsunamis, and earthquakes.

With more of the same to come.

[Time]

Sorry, you didnt even read wht I wrote, because everything you wrote is everything that I stated is wrong historicaly and astrologicaly. And I have to say, I very rarely state such things.

There are no such things as reptilians, and if there WERE, they would be earthbound, because reptiles are specificaly evilved here, and teh eodds of them evolving anywhere else in teh universe, are slimmer then life being created...

I know i sound like im being hard on you, but its the truth. Someone who cannot even read the tablets he "translated" wrote the theory on annunaki. Anything other then that is taken literal. The texts were not meant to be taken literal in any way shape or form.

IF you did channel something, whoever you channeled is wrong, im sorry. Do the research yourself, I provided enough links. IT will be more enlightening then 1200 golden chocolate virgins of teh acended reptilian masters, i promise

[Avadar]

Time,

I clarified my take on the Anunnaki and related in response to you bringing up that and other issues which are off topic to this thread.

Maybe you should start a new thread.

Continue your search for the truth. If you do you will eventually confirm for yourself that everything I stated is absolutely correct.

:smile:

[Time]

I cant, because Ive looked up this sort of thing for half my life. And, as well, you cant expect everyone to agree with you either, and expect them to not say something, if they know that you are wrong, that wouldnt be fair to you now would it? Im telling you the truth, and it will set you free

[Avadar]

...Ive looked up this sort of thing for half my life.
Learn to look deeper and without the blinders of prejudice.

[innerlight]

Continue your search for the truth. If you do you will eventually confirm for yourself that everything I stated is absolutely correct.

:smile:


Harold Camping said the same thing about May 2011. :wink:

Blossom Goodchild said the same thing about 2010.

The Mayans said their long form calender ended and people took that to mean a leap in consciousness would happen. I'm sure such things are easy to get mixed up.

[Avadar]

Harold Camping said the same thing about May 2011. :wink:

Blossom Goodchild said the same thing about 2010.

The Mayans said their long form calender ended and people took that to mean a leap in consciousness would happen. I'm sure such things are easy to get mixed up.
The difference being that the changes are and have been occurring, while in the other cases you referenced, it never happened at all. :wink:

The Mayan cyclical calendar predicts great changes happening in this general time frame, not the end of civilization.

Same idea.

We have great environmental changes, already occurring, not the end of this world.

[innerlight]

The Mayan cyclical calendar predicts great changes happening in this general time frame, not the end of civilization.



The Mayan calendar does not predict changes. It predicts the end of a cycle....

The rest was added on to make it seem more "special" for others. Eventually people start to believe what they want to believe.

Most astronomers agree that the Mayans did not even know that their would be an alignment of the planets at that time.

[Avadar]

The Mayan calendar does not predict changes. It predicts the end of a cycle....
The end of any cycle entails a period of turmoil, i.e., great change.

[innerlight]

The end of any cycle entails a period of turmoil, i.e., great change.

Does it? Or does it mean the end of a period of time and nothing more.

[Avadar]

Does it? Or does it mean the end of a period of time and nothing more.
By definition: the end of every period or cycle always means big changes. Otherwise, it would not be the end of a cycle.

We are entering an astronomical and astrological situation whereby The Sun is aligned with the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. This cosmic configuration occurs only once every twenty-six thousand years.

The result is drastic changes on every level: politically, environmentally, geologically, spiritually, etc., all of which are happening and have been happening for months.

To All...

Here is an interesting and independent video appraisal on this and related topics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzz0V2GwMvI&feature=player_embedded#!

Cheers!

[innerlight]

The result is drastic changes on every level: politically, environmentally, geologically, spiritually, etc., all of which are happening and have been happening for months.

To All...

Here is an interesting and independent video appraisal on this and related topics:

Cheers!

Those are all speculation and have no actual factual basis that any of that will happen. As there is no recorded evidence of it ever actually happening during such an alignment.

[Avadar]

Those are all speculation and have no actual factual basis that any of that will happen. As there is no recorded evidence of it ever actually happening during such an alignment.
You mean like the Solar Storm of 1859 that is referenced in the video?

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/23oct_superstorm/

Some are simply better at putting the dots together than others. :D

[innerlight]

You mean like the Solar Storm of 1859 that is referenced in the video?

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/23oct_superstorm/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fscience.nasa.gov%252 52Fscience-news%25252Fscience-at-nasa%25252F2003%25252F23oct_superstorm%25252F)

Some are simply better at putting the dots together than others. :D

You're math is about a few thousand years off.

"occurs only once every twenty-six thousand years."


1859 misses that by just a tad. It's not about just putting the dots together...



People create what they want to see. The take what they see and exaggerate it into something bigger than it actually is. With no actual proof of such things. For instance your Harold Campings, and Blossom Goodchilds. Then when nothing happens they redouble their efforts come out with excuses that we weren't ready for such an event, or they forgot to carry the two. Disappear for a few months and then come out with their videos on youtube, and their blogs that they wrote with the evidence they scoured the net to find from "experts" that are better than normal experts because they hide the truth, or distort the truth. Yet offer no actual proof of anything. *not saying you are doing such things, just using an example*

[Time]

Im not being prejudice. Im speaking of what we know as truth. Nothing in our known science corrobarates what you are saying... Thats the thing. Nothing that has been said makes any sence at all, in our entire 10000 year history with science. IT doesnt make sence.......

[Avadar]

The term that one is searching for is Galactic Alignment.

Not to be confused, at least not by those who are objectively looking at this, with the already referenced Solar Storm of 1859. *LOL*

http://alignment2012.com/whatisga.htm

http://2012thetruth.com/2012ApocalypseD.php

http://www.squidoo.com/galactic-alignment

[Animus27]

The term that one is searching for is Galactic Alignment.

Not to be confused, at least not by those who are objectively looking at this, with the already referenced Solar Storm of 1859. *LOL*

http://alignment2012.com/whatisga.htm

http://2012thetruth.com/2012ApocalypseD.php

http://www.squidoo.com/galactic-alignment
Are you using the dictionary definition of 'objective'? Because the way you're using it doesn't fit with how I've always seen it used...

All three of those sites are completely unreliable. Every **** and Jane this side of the Mississippi can create a website with no facts, and just use wild speculation. People will believe them because it fits with their preconceived notions, or it appeals to their emotion.

http://www.dailycommonsense.com/2012-galactic-alignment-hoax/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon#Galactic_alignment

From the Wikipedia link: "here is no significant astronomical event tied to the Long Count's start date. However, since the mid 1990s, esoteric author John Major Jenkins has asserted that the ancient Maya intended to tie the end of their calendar to the winter solstice in 2012, which falls on December 21. This date was in line with an idea he terms the galactic alignment."

Esoteric authors, while fascinating to read from a spiritual perspective, tend to be atrocious with their science. Just sayin'.

If you want to back up this whole idea of dwarf stars, galactic alignment and so forth, you'll have to come up with better evidence besides Youtube videos and baseless speculation. That aside, I think all of the theories are fascinating; but the moment anyone says anything is going to happen I think of, like Innerlight did, of Harold Camping and other such individuals who dislike science because it conflicts with their opinions.

[Avadar]

Animus27,

You're using Wikipedia, largely recognized in colleges and universities as not very credible, as your main argument against the sites I referenced?

I think you need to re-read the definition of "objective" and also do A LOT more research. *LOL*

[Avadar]

Hi All,

Natural disasters are indeed happening more now than ever before in modern history. This is cyclic in nature.

The Mayans described what they referred to as the dark rift or galactic plane and that the end of each age or cycle brings about worldwide devastation.

The following is yet another independent reference site, a documentary on the Galactic Plane, astronomical insight, and Mayan understanding:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziEUzvmXJs

The time frame of 2008 to 2015 is said to be when all the major changes will occur. Of course, we see them happening all around us and right now.

Cheers!

[Animus27]

Animus27,

You're using Wikipedia, largely recognized in colleges and universities as not very credible, as your main argument against the sites I referenced?

I think you need to re-read the definition of "objective" and also do A LOT more research. *LOL*
If you actually cared to try some actual research you would've noticed that the reference to the thing I posted from wikipedia comes from a book published by a university press. Nice try to discredit it though, really :wink: But you'll have to try harder.

Hi All,

Natural disasters are indeed happening more now than ever before in modern history. This is cyclic in nature.

The Mayans described what they referred to as the dark rift or galactic plane and that the end of each age or cycle brings about worldwide devastation.

The following is yet another independent reference site, a documentary on the Galactic Plane, astronomical insight, and Mayan understanding:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziEUzvmXJs

The time frame of 2008 to 2015 is said to be when all the major changes will occur. Of course, we see them happening all around us and right now.

Cheers!

Avadar, you're using youtube; which is generally recognized by everyone as completely unreliable. So again, you'll have to try harder if you want to find scientific evidence to support such... fantastic? ideas.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -Carl Sagan.

So far that's something you haven't provided, Avadar. :smile:

[Time]

The thing about wikipedia.. is if the info is inreliable or not resourced, its shows an (citation needed), other then that, everything is sourced properly.

Since you think youtube is a more reliable source... heres a whole list of "niburu is a hoax" vids, since you dont seem to want to read all the evidence Ive shown..

Where is your evidence that isnt made by some stoner 30 year old still living in his parents basement?

[Time]

hhttp://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nibiru+is+a+hoax&aq=0s&oq=niburu+is+a+h

[Avadar]

I have cited Wikipedia too but generally only for aspects of information that are relatively common knowledge. Like for example, the fact that Jesus is also known as Issa. Anyone who does even a little research outside of Christian church dogma comes to find that information.

As to Youtube, it all depends on the documentary. Some are better than others. The ones I reference, e.g., the Robert Lazar video, is of the better ilk.

As to Nibiru, I have explained my stance and it is a non-issue. Elenin is not Nibiru and the latter was not the home world of the Anunnaki/Reticulans, only a base at best.

[Time]

I have cited Wikipedia too but generally only for aspects of information that are relatively common knowledge. Like for example, the fact that Jesus is also known as Issa. Anyone who does even a little research outside of Christian church dogma comes to find that information.

See that is right, but why cant you apply this to the whole niburu thing? Except stepping outside of chruch dogma, you have to step outside of moonbat dogma?

s to Youtube, it all depends on the documentary. Some are better than others. The ones I reference, e.g., the Robert Lazar video, is of the better ilk.

See, I do agree with yout here, but ANYONE can put a vid on youtube, hence why theres so much **** on there... All you have to do is look up the person making, or that the informatin is from..

A simple websearch on Lazar shows that he is a liar, who states all these diplomas and cuch, yet none of thsoe schools have any documentation on him? Check the sources, not the information on the vids..

[Animus27]

I have cited Wikipedia too but generally only for aspects of information that are relatively common knowledge. Like for example, the fact that Jesus is also known as Issa. Anyone who does even a little research outside of Christian church dogma comes to find that information.
Jesus and his varient Arabic name Isa are not relevant to the topic at hand. But I LOVE how names translate into different languages! It's so fascinating how linguistics work. :D

As to Youtube, it all depends on the documentary. Some are better than others. The ones I reference, e.g., the Robert Lazar video, is of the better ilk.
I've found this: http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=1997.12.15

It's not perfect. But it does cast aspersions upon any claims Lazar makes. As I've said before - it's amazingly easy for anyone to put together a documentary that appears credible.

[Avadar]

See that is right, but why cant you apply this to the whole niburu thing? Except stepping outside of chruch dogma, you have to step outside of moonbat dogma?
You're asking me to accept Christian church dogma over the archaeological research of people like Zecharia Sitchin?

Not happening.

Are you even sure that all the Christian churches don't accept Nibiru as a possibility?

Probably not.

The Vatican has already made a public statement, years ago, attesting to the likelihood of the existence of extraterrestrials. But you wouldn't know that unless you did some serious research, which apparently you did not.

Nibiru most likely existed.

Is it a current threat?

Not at all.

But it apparently REALLY BOTHERS YOU that I accept that Nibiru/Planet X/Marduk at least existed in the past.


A simple websearch on Lazar shows that he is a liar, who states all these diplomas and cuch, yet none of thsoe schools have any documentation on him? Check the sources, not the information on the vids..
If Robert Lazar was only a janitor at S4 or Area 51 and could prove that he worked there, that would still make him a VALID WITNESS.

And Robert Lazar HAS PROVED that he worked for the Office of Naval Intelligence, which hired him for his gig at S4. He was even listed in their telephone directory. But you don't know that either because you never really did any serious research.

Regarding his credentials, the man obviously has extensive knowledge of physics and engineering. Otherwise, he would not be able to run his high-tech company, called United Nuclear.

http://www.unitednuclear.com/

Oh...and you probably didn't know about United Nuclear either.

Do I care what his college degree was in?

Nope.

For years I worked at a college. Just because someone has a doctorate does not mean one is wise. It only indicates training in putting together a thesis and writing papers. If one does not fall in line with the accepted academic paradigm, the thesis does not pass. So it behooves the student to fall in line to the accepted paradigm and not make any waves. Thereby furthering a facade of illumination when in reality it is only serving the status quo.

One has to take one's head out of dogma and think outside the box. Most don't have the character to do so.

Did you do a background check on Robert Lazar so you would know that he has extensive knowledge of engineering and physics?

Nope.

Do you know from your "research" that the federal government ROUTINELY ERASES THE CREDENTIALS of those who EXPOSE THEM in any way?

Nope.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Not really.

"Moonbat dogma," as you term it, as well as Christian church dogma, is apparently what you are espousing.

Exposing both has never been a problem to me. :smile:

[Avadar]

Jesus and his varient Arabic name Isa are not relevant to the topic at hand. But I LOVE how names translate into different languages! It's so fascinating how linguistics work. :D
Yes, linguistics can be very interesting.

I've found this: http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=1997.12.15

It's not perfect. But it does cast aspersions upon any claims Lazar makes. As I've said before - it's amazingly easy for anyone to put together a documentary that appears credible.
Ah yes...Stanton Friedman. The so-called "expert" on Robert Lazar.

I find Stanton funny.

As stated previously, it does not make any difference in a court of law when it comes to being a VALID WITNESS. If Bob Lazar was a parking attendant at S4 or Area 51, and could prove it, it still makes him a VALID WITNESS.

I recall the circulating story in Ufology about the security guard who saw aliens at a top-secret US government facility and then told the press about it. He wound up in a federal penitentiary because he went against the confidentiality agreement. He did not speak about it again.

I think that the real problem that Stanton has is that he has no insider information himself. It must really frustrate him. He never worked at a top secret facility. He never made that grade. So he goes after those who have.

And what insight about the aliens and their technology have we received from Stanton Friedman, with all his wonderful degrees and credentials?

A BIG FAT ZERO.

*LOL*

Cheers!

[Avadar]

Greetings From The Discarnate Saints In The Society Of Light,

The environmental disruption of the dwarf star Elenin on Terra has ended.

It ended due to an antimatter weapons explosion that was orchestrated by Reticulan forces who wish to safeguard this harvested planet, this large farm among many in The Reticulan Empire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fDjO9Nhslo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti4vduEaclU

Carpe Diem!
TSOL

[Animus27]

Ah yes...Stanton Friedman. The so-called "expert" on Robert Lazar.

I find Stanton funny.

As stated previously, it does not make any difference in a court of law when it comes to being a VALID WITNESS. If Bob Lazar was a parking attendant at S4 or Area 51, and could prove it, it still makes him a VALID WITNESS.
No, it doesn't. Witness testimony in a court of law is never taken as truth unless there is ample evidence that supports their claims and assertions. Something which Lazar, your 'valid witness' cannot come up with besides stories which sound oh-so convincing. But ultimately are only his (amazingly shaky) word.

I recall the circulating story in Ufology about the security guard who saw aliens at a top-secret US government facility and then told the press about it. He wound up in a federal penitentiary because he went against the confidentiality agreement. He did not speak about it again.
Unless that can be verified, it's hardly believable.

I think that the real problem that Stanton has is that he has no insider information himself. It must really frustrate him. He never worked at a top secret facility. He never made that grade. So he goes after those who have.
All the claims Lazar has ever made are either completely unsupported by facts, or are obviously outright lies. So, apparently Lazar never 'made that grade' either. :rolleyes:

And what insight about the aliens and their technology have we received from Stanton Friedman, with all his wonderful degrees and credentials?

A BIG FAT ZERO.

*LOL*

Cheers!
What have we ever got from Lazar besides far-fetched claims? Care to elaborate? I am unaware of him contributing anything besides the above.

[Avadar]

Witness testimony in a court of law is never taken as truth unless there is ample evidence that supports their claims and assertions. Correct.

Eyewitness testimony is taken into consideration as evidence. Then the evidence is weighed by the jury to determine if it is the truth.

With a witness still being a witness regardless. :wink:

Anyone who knows anything about science, physics, and has studied ufology for many years - as I have - and who has objectively viewed and analyzed Robert Lazar's documentary as well as his interviews with television reporter George Knapp, comes to the conclusion that Lazar knew what he was talking about.

Then there is also independent evidence as to the veracity of Lazar's claims, such as eyewitness testimony regarding the aliens and how their craft operate. Both Lazar and Ret. US Army Sergeant Clifford Stone have stated publicly that they have seen governmental briefing documents that state the aliens in question stem from the Zeta 2 Reticuli System.

Perhaps you wish to character assassinate Sgt. Stone as well.

Good luck with that. *LOL*

I am waiting for someone with more insight about the propulsion systems of the Reticulans, how their ships are powered, and how they manage to navigate interstellar space in a timely manner. All of which Lazar explained clearly.

And I assume that you don't "make the grade" in having any insight whatsoever regarding the above to provide for us.

Hey...correct me if I am wrong.

Please! And show us the insight!

So...

Lazar has more credibility in my eyes that Friedman, yourself, or any of the other opponents of Lazar in this forum.

And I have seen absolutely no evidence to convince me that Lazar is anything else other than THE REAL DEAL. :smile:

Feel free to post any insight about Reticulan propulsion systems in this thread.

Or open up a new thread about it.

Yeah...good luck with that too. *LOL*

Cheers!