Is duality and polarity the same?

[SapphireBlue]

For example light/dark, good/evil, love/hate, ego/spirit, night/day. If so, how is non-duality relevant to us if we live in a world of polarity?

[_dagmar_]

Is duality and polarity the same?

No, duality simply means two while polarity specifies the furthest away points within a universe. If there are more than one dimensions then the number of poles is infinite. The number of poles is always even because for ever pole exists an opposite one.

For example light/dark, good/evil, love/hate, ego/spirit, night/day. If so, how is non-duality relevant to us if we live in a world of polarity?

Non-duality is everything in a universe that is not a multiple of 2. In everyday use people mean the addition of all poles with their opposites and the result is always 0, the central or neutral point. A world without polarity light/dark, good/evil, love/hate, ego/spirit, night/day is a world that cannot exist.

How non-duality is relevant to you is subjective and has no right/wrong, better/worse and conclusive answer.

[davidsun]

For example light/dark, good/evil, love/hate, ego/spirit, night/day. If so, how is non-duality relevant to us if we live in a world of polarity?
Be-cause :smile: the 'world' you speak of exists/lives 'in'side and serves the porposes of a singular positive (with no real 'negatives) monistic Being - as figuratively referenced in:

"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." (I John ch.1)

"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. (Acts Ch.17)

In that superdimension, 'darkness' is not really 'darkness' but merely the absence of 'light'; 'hate' is not really 'hate' but simply disappointed and/or upset 'love'; 'ego' is not really 'ego' by merely deluded 'spirit', i.e. 'spirit' with 'blinders' 'on'; etc.

I submit for your consideration the fact (IMO it is a fact) that 'seeing' things in such perspective enables one to 'navigate' the 'world' of duality positively (in absolute terms), without 'zeroing' out, becoming 'negative', etc.

:smile:

[Rah nam]

For example light/dark, good/evil, love/hate, ego/spirit, night/day. If so, how is non-duality relevant to us if we live in a world of polarity? Great question, even so I wouldn't see ego/spirit as polarity but rather as a symbiotic relationship. One can not exist without the other within this reality.
Yin and yang seam to express best the nature of this reality and beyond.
Even if we move to a higher density, we still find the polarisation, even so to a lesser degree.

One simple indicator is, highly evolved beings still like to express themselves as masculine or feminine.

[SapphireBlue]

How non-duality is relevant to you is subjective and has no right/wrong, better/worse and conclusive answer.

So non duality refers to a state of enlightenment, is that what you're saying?

[SapphireBlue]

In that superdimension, 'darkness' is not really 'darkness' but merely the absence of 'light'; 'hate' is not really 'hate' but simply disappointed and/or upset 'love'; 'ego' is not really 'ego' by merely deluded 'spirit', i.e. 'spirit' with 'blinders' 'on'; etc.

I submit for your consideration the fact (IMO it is a fact) that 'seeing' things in such perspective enables one to 'navigate' the 'world' of duality positively (in absolute terms), without 'zeroing' out, becoming 'negative', etc.


:smile:

Praise the light rather than curse the darkness in other words.

[SapphireBlue]

Great question, even so I wouldn't see ego/spirit as polarity but rather as a symbiotic relationship. One can not exist without the other within this reality.
Yin and yang seam to express best the nature of this reality and beyond.
Even if we move to a higher density, we still find the polarisation, even so to a lesser degree.

One simple indicator is, highly evolved beings still like to express themselves as masculine or feminine.
Thank you for your perspective Rah nam :)

[Chanine]

For example light/dark, good/evil, love/hate, ego/spirit, night/day. If so, how is non-duality relevant to us if we live in a world of polarity?

Non duality is relevant as it is the truth, duality doesn't actually exist it's like an illusionist using a trick, creation is watched by the self and the self is reflected in it like a mirror everything comes from the self and is witnessed continually. Doubt is used by the mind and will put the illusionist into play by the mind causing personality beliefs hence thinking we are people separate from the enlightened being

[LadyMay]

I think that polarity is a fancy word for duality.... there are only opposites in this world. Name three or more things that are all opposite from each other then I might reconsider.

[davidsun]

I think that polarity is a fancy word for duality.... there are only opposites in this world. Name three or more things that are all opposite from each other then I might reconsider.
"Only 'opposites'" implies there's only two-dimensions to the being of something or other.

Here are at least three thangs which exist in relation to and dynamically interact with one another:

There's (1) the wind that blows, (2) the thang (the sail of the 'boat') that is blown by the wind, (3) the 'intelligent' presence ('in' the boat) which hoists (or not) the 'sail', keeps the 'boat' from tipping by inventing and using (4) a 'keel', and steers to wherever it wants to go by manipulating (5) the boat's 'rudder'.

Have fun reconsidering. :cool:

[Moondance]

For example light/dark, good/evil, love/hate, ego/spirit, night/day. If so, how is non-duality relevant to us if we live in a world of polarity?

Hello SapphireBlue

Nonduality does not mean the absence of polarity or relative duality. Put simply, it points (through the inadequacy of language) to the fact that even now as you read this… there is nothing other than an ineffable Source or Oneness at play. Reality - without a second.

[_dagmar_]

So non duality refers to a state of enlightenment, is that what you're saying?

In spirituality non-duality means a state of complete consciousness where the concept of 'other' or 'me' does not exist. While one can be enlightened and non-dual, the one term does not imply the other.

[LadyMay]

"Only 'opposites'" implies there's only two-dimensions to the being of something or other.

Here are at least three thangs which exist in relation to and dynamically interact with one another:

There's (1) the wind that blows, (2) the thang (the sail of the 'boat') that is blown by the wind, (3) the 'intelligent' presence ('in' the boat) which hoists (or not) the 'sail', keeps the 'boat' from tipping by inventing and using (4) a 'keel', and steers to wherever it wants to go by manipulating (5) the boat's 'rudder'.

Have fun reconsidering. :cool:

I'd say there's a spectrum between opposites but that doesn't make the spectrum a polarity. You argument is compelling but not convincing.

[davidsun]

I'd say there's a spectrum between opposites but that doesn't make the spectrum a polarity. You argument is compelling but not convincing.

Speaking of the 'spectra' of possibilities between 'polarities' (and other 'thangs' :smile: )

Maybe first try thinking in terms of three-dimensional space 'containing' more 'spectra' than a 'linearly' defined array (or possibilities) between two opposites/polarities.

Then graduate to thinking in terms of four-dimensional time-space and the now much 'greater' possibilities (specters, spectra? :smile") within that time-space.

And then graduate to imagining and thinking in terms of Life (a/k/a Reality) being matrixial, that is having an infinite number of dimensions and multi-'linear' interactions (hence spectra :smile: ) criss-crossing within IT.

That's how I (Sometimes mind-bogglingly!) think. :D

https://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/scalar-vector-matrix.html

[Baile]

Non duality is relevant as it is the truth, duality doesn't actually exist it's like an illusionist using a trick, creation is watched by the self and the self is reflected in it like a mirror everything comes from the self and is witnessed continually. Doubt is used by the mind and will put the illusionist into play by the mind causing personality beliefs hence thinking we are people separate from the enlightened beingYes to your mirror imagery and all. Regardless though, duality is an aspect of the incarnation state and a reality of the Physical plane. The human/souls I interact with in the Physical, are individual, separate souls. We do not occupy the same space. They are there, standing in front of me; and I am here, standing in front of them, and using them as my mirror. ("Don't move around please/thanks, it makes it difficult to see myself!") We incarnate in essence to experience duality. If it wasn't neccessary, souls would simply remain in the unity of the Spirit plane.

[Joe Mc]

For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. Corinthians 13:12

[Shivani Devi]

For example light/dark, good/evil, love/hate, ego/spirit, night/day. If so, how is non-duality relevant to us if we live in a world of polarity?Many people like to take things to the extreme...i.e, if it isn't 'this' then it must be 'that'.
There are infinite gradations between each polarity which includes the polarity within that whole spectrum.

This is what non-duality is about...it isn't not/neither, but both.

It's what a lot of people, including many non-dualists don't get.

[Gem]

'Duality' in the non-dualism context refers to the illusion or delusion that there is a volitional self-entity separate from 'everything else'. They call this false sense of self 'ego'. Modern non-dualism started with Ramana, but its continuous ancient form is vedanta-advaita. Maybe read a little Ramana to get the feel of it.

[Unseeking Seeker]

My understanding:

Duality = a notion that we are the narrow ego, body self, separate from the Universal consciousness or God

Non duality = the oneness with the Universe we realise, know & experience during our meditational engagement

[iamthat]

My understanding:

Duality = a notion that we are the narrow ego, body self, separate from the Universal consciousness or God

Non duality = the oneness with the Universe we realise, know & experience during our meditational engagement

I would suggest that non-duality is a permanent changeless state of Being which is always present, whatever we are doing. This is not just something experienced temporarily during meditation.

Peace

[Unseeking Seeker]

I would suggest that non-duality is a permanent changeless state of Being which is always present, whatever we are doing. This is not just something experienced temporarily during meditation.

Peace

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Abandoning thought
On a path self-taught
I see
As I be
Am that ot That
Where attention is at
In the ephemeral
Or the eternal
External
Or internal
Egoic Duality
Or Universe unity
Instant to instant
We are not constant
Sometimes feral
Sometimes ethereal
Each doing what suits
As long as getting to the roots