Too much knowledge?

[TalkAboutSpirit]

About six years ago I read Dr Eben's book, Proof of Heaven, and it helped me put together many ideas that I had been forming over my life. I decided to think about it all - daily - to "test" any missing parts or flaws in my theories and have found none. I've moved far beyond any misgivings and feel like I'm as aware as I can be that mortal existence is (pick an analogy here) merely a chapter in a much larger book.

But - is this even good? Great lengths were taken, it would seem, to provide us with a blank slate when we are born. Belief that "this is it" seems essential to the human experience we dropped into. I find myself pouring through NDE literature and accounts and wondering if it puts me at odds with my original life mission? Because I find myself less engaged with life as I do so, less in my body, and kind of disconnected with things. I'm aware I'm here to do things but the fact that I'm aware of this makes me kind of self conscious about it.

I wonder if anyone feels similarly or has some insight?

[inavalan]

This the way I think about it:

Do you know what is your own "original life mission"? If you don't, then try to find out!

Do you know why we incarnate as humans? If you don't, then try to find out!

What you're asking basically reduces to: ignorance is bliss. I doubt that this can be the answer to the above to questions. Ignorance of our mission and place in the multidimensional Universe causes most of us to make only minimal, if any, progress in our physical lives, causes us to waste the opportunity we took by coming here.

[TalkAboutSpirit]

I have to think about this a bit. I certainly agree there are many "human" humans who are merely living in the here and and now, and it isn't advancing their souls or helping others. Perhaps this is like one of those time loop movies where the protagonist first has to understand their context to break free. Knowing that this life is merely a chapter could be a phase in this.

Since I'm about 2/3rd's done here (assuming average life expectancy), I don't think I'm going to find the answer to what my life's mission is or could have been until it's over. I'm not sure I would have done anything different if I'd had my present awareness earlier, so at least I can't say I have regrets. Maybe the mission is actually something that spans multiple lifetimes, so you can't see it when you are inside one.

[inavalan]

I have to think about this a bit. I certainly agree there are many "human" humans who are merely living in the here and and now, and it isn't advancing their souls or helping others. Perhaps this is like one of those time loop movies where the protagonist first has to understand their context to break free. Knowing that this life is merely a chapter could be a phase in this.

Since I'm about 2/3rd's done here (assuming average life expectancy), I don't think I'm going to find the answer to what my life's mission is or could have been until it's over. I'm not sure I would have done anything different if I'd had my present awareness earlier, so at least I can't say I have regrets. Maybe the mission is actually something that spans multiple lifetimes, so you can't see it when you are inside one.

You can to find out more, to get answers to any any questions, in an altered state of consciousness. For that I would recommend to try self-hypnosis.

[TalkAboutSpirit]

Let me ask this question in another way. It seems many religious and spiritual faiths have, at the top, a monastic tradition. These are people who deliberately eschew the norms of the human lifecycle in order to meditate and focus on the spiritual realm.

But what if this is a mistake, a waste of time? Because in "heaven" perhaps everyone is already doing this, and perhaps not getting very far, and chose instead to incarnate into a gritty, imperfect, experience-rich human life in which to quickly learn?

If this is true, then how is it best to spend one's time here?

[slash112]

There's a reason you've come into such understanding.
All things play their purpose. Your understanding is not exempt from purpose.

Example: What if part of your purpose is to bring heaven on Earth? Surely your understanding of the heavens would help in such a mission.

Also,

But what if this is a mistake, a waste of time? Because in "heaven" perhaps everyone is already doing this, and perhaps not getting very far, and chose instead to incarnate into a gritty, imperfect, experience-rich human life in which to quickly learn?

Consider the possibility that you came to Earth to help all the trapped souls here? Those stuck coming back here because as far as they are concerned, there is no other option. Maybe you are here to help show the options.

Sure, Earth life is gritty and imperfect and so on. Sure, Earth offers great lessons to any soul. But what if some of us are here to help bring balance to Earth? So that Earth becomes not only a learning-ground, but also a place of harmony and divinity.


Just throwing out possibilities here, but I hope you can see where I'm coming from. Basically, the understanding you have could help in so many ways. It's bursting with purpose.

[Busby]

We are, I fear, all stuck in a rut. Had we left our philosophies in the laps of Plato and Socrates we'd probably be much further in what we like to call our spirituality than we are today. At least we would be having valid arguments with agreed upon ends. As it happened instead of logic religion was discovered and suddenly an unfounded and unknowable entity called 'God the Father' was thrown into our midst. We really have wasted centuries stuck with the same old burden on our shoulders and still quite prepared to ignore the slowly gathering glimpses of other realities which modern life and its inventions are now allowing us to observe.
If the aim of human life, and indeed of all life is to attain some sort of heaven wherein we will dwell with angels and golden trumpets then we will in the end be glad when it ends. This my opinion. In fact just thinking about the eons of eternity makes one realise that our existence now just has to be one of an eternal chain of existences and is exactly that which we see in the philosophy of Hinduism - the only religious philosophy which has any connection with what we know in science today.
For me it's almost quite clear, here the weight is on the word -almost- that there is something we haven't yet seen. This missing something is causing us to walk on the spot and has not only confused us for two thousand years but is still continuing to do so.

Dr.Eben's book and the host of other published, filmed, videoed, copied, written, heard, seen and read information which is flooding our brains will probably lead to someone connecting the dots and so come up with the next step for us to take on our journey into the future. This is what the world has been waiting for it's also what science speaks about when science talks about searching for the theory of everything.

Personally I'm in 'this business' because of those things which I have experienced in my life and which indicate to me that there is an energy nearby which is a 'normal or natural' energy but which most people would call supernatural.

[Busby]

Just as an added thought to the above;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kuZgVCvSNg

[soulforce]

Yes I know what you mean. IMO I don't think it matters too much. I think if you're aware of it, you may struggle to find certain footing, but I think you will learn to find purpose within your knowledge, and use it to enrich your life.

At the moment I feel like I live in two plains of existence. One on earth, and the other in my higher consciousness. However I want to use my higher consciousness to enrich my life on earth. That's kind of the goal I set for myself.

[Golden Eagle]

About six years ago I read Dr Eben's book, Proof of Heaven, and it helped me put together many ideas that I had been forming over my life. I decided to think about it all - daily - to "test" any missing parts or flaws in my theories and have found none. I've moved far beyond any misgivings and feel like I'm as aware as I can be that mortal existence is (pick an analogy here) merely a chapter in a much larger book.

But - is this even good? Great lengths were taken, it would seem, to provide us with a blank slate when we are born. Belief that "this is it" seems essential to the human experience we dropped into. I find myself pouring through NDE literature and accounts and wondering if it puts me at odds with my original life mission? Because I find myself less engaged with life as I do so, less in my body, and kind of disconnected with things. I'm aware I'm here to do things but the fact that I'm aware of this makes me kind of self conscious about it.

I wonder if anyone feels similarly or has some insight?

a great time to begin A Course In Miracles ~

[Michelle11]

About six years ago I read Dr Eben's book, Proof of Heaven, and it helped me put together many ideas that I had been forming over my life. I decided to think about it all - daily - to "test" any missing parts or flaws in my theories and have found none. I've moved far beyond any misgivings and feel like I'm as aware as I can be that mortal existence is (pick an analogy here) merely a chapter in a much larger book.

But - is this even good? Great lengths were taken, it would seem, to provide us with a blank slate when we are born. Belief that "this is it" seems essential to the human experience we dropped into. I find myself pouring through NDE literature and accounts and wondering if it puts me at odds with my original life mission? Because I find myself less engaged with life as I do so, less in my body, and kind of disconnected with things. I'm aware I'm here to do things but the fact that I'm aware of this makes me kind of self conscious about it.

I wonder if anyone feels similarly or has some insight?
I read a quote by Franz Kafka that states, the meaning of life is that it stops. I couldn't agree more. I agree we are in the dark about a lot of things so this place is a challenge for us and I believe that the point of experiencing a state of being susceptible to death is so that life has impact. If things weren't life or death we can become complacent about our growth. If there is no end then the urgency to try is gone. Knowing this truth can create the same lackadaisical response but if we keep in mind that we are a spirt having a temporary human experience we can start to appreciate the limited amount of time we do have as the person we are. Our soul is infinite, our human self as Jack or Jill is finite and so that is what makes it a precious gift we may not want to squander. At some point in the near future our life as Jack or Jill will stop and our opportunities to experience things as them stops too. From that perspective it would be wise to take life more seriously, not less, but maybe without the fear driven life or death pressure humans can put on themselves, which can get in the way. Our growth progresses from one life to the next much like a book picking up on the next chapter or life where we left off with the last chapter/life. But each chapter is unique, special, and one of a kind, never to be repeated and for that reason there is value in appreciating every breath as opposed to taking it for granted. Our human life will stop, so don't squander it is maybe the point.

[FallingLeaves]

Let me ask this question in another way. It seems many religious and spiritual faiths have, at the top, a monastic tradition. These are people who deliberately eschew the norms of the human lifecycle in order to meditate and focus on the spiritual realm.

But what if this is a mistake, a waste of time? Because in "heaven" perhaps everyone is already doing this, and perhaps not getting very far, and chose instead to incarnate into a gritty, imperfect, experience-rich human life in which to quickly learn?

If this is true, then how is it best to spend one's time here?

in my understanding the thoughts you have, including whatever you think is the 'way it is' are just replicated in the energy fields in and around the body. As you become comfortable with whichever ones you have, it becomes kind of stagnant and you just eventually cycle through and through the same experiences over and over. Then comes death.

you can see this somewhat in the sense that you've seen the thought patterns you have take you 'away' from the senses in your body.

The people who eschew the 'norms' and meditate or whatever have exactly the same problem, the difference is that they have less of the 'in' with other people (the norms) so they get a bigger room to move around in. And they get to see some of the hidden mysteries as a result.

But the real problem is the idea that you 'should' have a 'meaning' of the 'way it is and should be'. It is like putting yourself in a prison. Very limiting. But again everyone does it so it is like a disease you just keep getting.

[Lynn]

Hello

Even if we feel that we have walked a life that has had no impact on the Earth on the path of history we have still left a part of us here, out DNA. We always leave a part of us in being on the Earth so there is a record of us being here. I feel that has to hold some meaning to the bigger picture.

We might not be native to Earth, we might not be from the Earth but to experience the human body is a magical thing. The senses we have give us pleasures and at times yes pains, we do not all get a life of bliss. There has to be a meaning to it all.

I am watching the Lost Book of Enki on You Tube right now and it gives one food of thoughts to the bigger pictures of creation. Maybe were are all just one big "Lab Rat".

Lynn

[Eudaimonia]

Some people have a more defined life definition while others are more subject to their will/desires (i think having a more defined purpose is better because the path is usually smoother than trying to figure it out yourself. Having a strong incarnated purpose is likely to be a result of past posotive karma and soul intention anyway). I would say that the will of others and oneself is far stronger than whatever intention is put into an incarnation beforehand in most cases though. We think quantumly, the vast decisions possible of the soul and the enviroment enable people to move far from what their original incarnated intention is.

I find it massively suspicious however that we barely remember our past lives at all. Indeed, if we may have had many incarnations but we remember almost nothing of them than perhaps this is to faciltate our evolution in some way (especially if all is truly one anyway). Bu I am more inclined to align with the idea of the Gnostics among otherd, that our wiping of our memories is sort of a soul trap in the wheel of samsrara. The Gnostics very much understood the soul would go through many incarnations,and the Bardos of the Tibetan Book of the Dead say this as well but both seem to imply this is a negative action and is the result of karma or interference with the fabric of reality. I believe that if we did have some memories of past lives we would be MORE aware of our actions and less likely to create suffering. Interestingly, great spiritual teachers/aware-ones are said to have FULL memories of their past lives.

[Dravak]

Here your mission is simple. experience as much as you can.
Be god child road to perfection, failing that cause you can´t find a purpose in life.

Breed work have childeren live the normal life. hoping one of your child reaches that state of perfection that god wants.

Those who suffer from NDE are different they are failsafe mechanics.
Most don´t even reach their full potential.
Or most who even reach half their potential go all powerhungry.
And alter this reality as we know it. so why do you want to understand NDE ?

Most NDEer are stuck in the loop of love. and not able to get trough the loop of hatred.
To get to the point where most NDEer wants to go, you have to break all illussion and shatter all believes.
And learn to be alone. not very attractive is it to be a NDEer ?