The dividing line.

[Iamit]

The dividing line,

The end of the feeling of disconnection is never achieved by reaching what is promised by a spiritual path or practise, but always by the giving up of that path and practise after a resonance with perfection already (All Is One). Spiritual paths rarely if ever point this out!

Before resonance with All Is One the seeker may have encountered the idea but the mind did not recognise it as a suitable solution for the character it serves because the mind has been conditioned to believe that enlightenment requires something to be done or realized. In this scenario the mind selects a path with a practise in accordance with that conditioning. The character may be quite happy on such a path and feel it is getting somewhere. This may go on for a lifetime. It is not until the path is given up (trancended) by the resonance with All is One, that the feeling of disconnection ends or is at least glimpsed. After the initial resonance (the dividing line) things change for the seeker. There may be a period of consolidation if the mind has doubts about the acceptability of All Is One, particularly the difficulty of including suffering as Oneness manifest. If the resonance is strong enough, all will be included and the process completed. If not strong enough Oneness is rejected and the seeker may return to a spiritual path or remain dissolusioned. But the head is in the Tigers mouth so they say and there will be a return to All Is One until the consolidation. This to and fro may go on and on until the process is complete. It must be said however that seekers are in no way disconnected from Oneness during this process, for both the seeker and the process are already Oneness in Action.

[Baile]

One hits their 50s and realizes religion and spirituality is what you do in life (action), and not whatever doctrine you follow (belief). When you act, you are one with your reality, at all times. When you operate in the realm of belief, you separate yourself from the reality of life... like standing outside the restaurant while reading the menu, and forming opinions about how the food tastes.

The dividing line is grabbing the door handle, stepping across the threshold and going in, and grabbing a table and actually ordering something.

[Iamit]

One hits their 50s and realizes religion and spirituality is what you do in life (action), and not whatever doctrine you follow (belief). When you act, you are one with your reality, at all times. When you operate in the realm of belief, you separate yourself from the reality of life... like standing outside the restaurant while reading the menu, and forming opinions about how the food tastes.

The dividing line is grabbing the door handle, stepping across the threshold and going in, and grabbing a table and actually ordering something.

That may be so for those whose mind is conditioned to select that way of proceeding.

Not all minds are conditioned in the same way so what suits one may not suit another. But that will not be of much interest to those who project their beliefs onto others. Better not to feel undermined by such projections which use language that condemns alternatives and the persons who describe them. That is a sure sign that there is a severe underlying insecurity about the belief so vehemently expressed. Be free to resonate with whatever suits you. There is lots on offer including the view of non duality described in this thread. None more valid than any other when differences in character are taken into account and respected.

[syncro]

The dividing line,

The end of the feeling of disconnection is never achieved by reaching what is promised by a spiritual path or practise, but always by the giving up of that path and practise after a resonance with perfection already (All Is One). Spiritual paths rarely if ever point this out!

Before resonance with All Is One the seeker may have encountered the idea but the mind did not recognise it as a suitable solution for the character it serves because the mind has been conditioned to believe that enlightenment requires something to be done or realized. In this scenario the mind selects a path with a practise in accordance with that conditioning. The character may be quite happy on such a path and feel it is getting somewhere. This may go on for a lifetime. It is not until the path is given up (trancended) by the resonance with All is One, that the feeling of disconnection ends or is at least glimpsed. After the initial resonance (the dividing line) things change for the seeker. There may be a period of consolidation if the mind has doubts about the acceptability of All Is One, particularly the difficulty of including suffering as Oneness manifest. If the resonance is strong enough, all will be included and the process completed. If not strong enough Oneness is rejected and the seeker may return to a spiritual path or remain dissolusioned. But the head is in the Tigers mouth so they say and there will be a return to All Is One until the consolidation. This to and fro may go on and on until the process is complete. It must be said however that seekers are in no way disconnected from Oneness during this process, for both the seeker and the process are already Oneness in Action.

The purpose of spiritual practice is that, and it comes about because of the purifying action of the practice. It concerns me the idea of having "transcended" a practice, or thinking that is has run its course or served its purpose. Someone may think they are in that state, yet more likely have not done justice to the subtlety and profundity of teachings received.

The message that because "All is One", we don't need to practice, is at best impotent for most. I am not saying that is what you are saying, Iamit, but it is a fine line apart from misinterpretation.

[FallingLeaves]

The dividing line,

The end of the feeling of disconnection is never achieved by reaching what is promised by a spiritual path or practise, but always by the giving up of that path and practise after a resonance with perfection already (All Is One). Spiritual paths rarely if ever point this out!


the tao te ching said this, quite honestly and openly I thought. The goal of the sages was apparently to follow the path to the place where you could let go of the path!

[Iamit]

The dividing line,

The end of the feeling of disconnection is never achieved by reaching what is promised by a spiritual path or practise, but always by the giving up of that path and practise after a resonance with perfection already (All Is One). Spiritual paths rarely if ever point this out!

Before resonance with All Is One the seeker may have encountered the idea but the mind did not recognise it as a suitable solution for the character it serves because the mind has been conditioned to believe that enlightenment requires something to be done or realized. In this scenario the mind selects a path with a practise in accordance with that conditioning. The character may be quite happy on such a path and feel it is getting somewhere. This may go on for a lifetime. It is not until the path is given up (trancended) by the resonance with All is One, that the feeling of disconnection ends or is at least glimpsed. After the initial resonance (the dividing line) things change for the seeker. There may be a period of consolidation if the mind has doubts about the acceptability of All Is One, particularly the difficulty of including suffering as Oneness manifest. If the resonance is strong enough, all will be included and the process completed. If not strong enough Oneness is rejected and the seeker may return to a spiritual path or remain dissolusioned. But the head is in the Tigers mouth so they say and there will be a return to All Is One until the consolidation. This to and fro may go on and on until the process is complete. It must be said however that seekers are in no way disconnected from Oneness during this process, for both the seeker and the process are already Oneness in Action.

Hi Syncro.

Practise suits some characters but not all for reasons mentioned in earlier posts.

If Enlightenment is a state of total trancendance then at some point spiritual paths and practises for the purpose of connection have to be trancended as well. That may happen after one has been on a path and practising for varying periods of time.

If Non Duality is the idea resonated with, the need for a path and practise is trancended immediatly because all is already One and perfect as it is, so increasing connection to that Oneness is impossible. It is the only idea on offer in the spiritual supermarket (buy one get one free:) that requires nothing for total connection, no change whatsoever. so obviously a path or practise is not required.

That may be unacceptable to some characters for reasons mentioned elsewhere in this thread principally that all suffering, its victims and perpetrators, must also be Oneness in action. Also it will of course not work for characters who feel there is something lacking and are willing to embrace a path and/or practise which promises to correct whatever that lack might be.

[Ground]

It's striking that there is a deviding line in oneness. :laughing7:

The end of the feeling of disconnection is never achieved by ..., but always by ...
So this path of yours is about achievement as any other path. It is about accepting and rejecting as any other path.

Don't know if anybody else beside you ever felt 'disconnected' but if one does I think that a deviding line isn't an appropriate approach.


btw:
Have you ever wondered why you have to talk about your path interminably?

[Shivani Devi]

Namaste.

In such instances, I tend to fall back on my teachings and experiences because they serve me very well.

In the Tantrik tradition which is a non-dual tradition, there is Shiva which can be synonymous with Brahman or Pure Consciousness - whatever you like to call it and there is Shakti, which is Maya or Energy or perception and everything else that Shiva is not.

It is said that Shiva is everything Shakti is not and Shakti is everything Shiva is not - but wait up, you may say - that is total duality...there's nothing non-dual about that scenario and I agree...until this happens:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b4/29/a5/b429a56825876798419de3e927aca52e.jpg

Shiva and Skakti merge...join as one in the Ardhanishwara form and the 'dividing line' becomes the difference between Shiva and Shakti when they exist in one form - ShivaShakti.

In the esoteric sense, it is the joining of the Ida and Pingala nadis (nerves) within the body, as represented by the serpents and the 'dividing line' becomes the Shusumna Nadi or the sutra nadi - it is represented in Buddhism by the "Middle Way".

We can even see it in the Yin/Yang - there is one polarity "Yin" with certain features...and there is the "Yang" with opposite features to the "Yin"...but when they are brought together, each balances the other out - totally; leading from duality into non-duality in the form of Yin/Yang. Just as Matter and Anti Matter (duality) cancel each other out (non-duality) and the 'dividing line' is the explosion that occurs when it happens.

With the Yin/Yang, this 'dividing line' is represented by the little dot of Yang energy still remaining within the Yin...and the little dot of Yin energy still remaining within the Yang:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/23/83/f0/2383f0f64078eea3f73228ed85b4f321.jpg

It is also represented by Sri Yantra - the point at which the triangles facing upwards totally intersect with those facing downwards:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/The_Sri_Yantra_in_diagrammatic_form.svg/1024px-The_Sri_Yantra_in_diagrammatic_form.svg.png

This becomes the dividing line.

Jai Ardhanishwar!
Jai ShivaShakti!

Om Namah Shivaya

[Ground]

Rubbish never ends. :laughing7:

[Shivani Devi]

Rubbish never ends. :laughing7:Upon reading your reply, I agree. :wink:

[Iamit]

the tao te ching said this, quite honestly and openly I thought. The goal of the sages was apparently to follow the path to the place where you could let go of the path!

I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for the reference Falling Leaves.

[Iamit]

Namaste.

In such instances, I tend to fall back on my teachings and experiences because they serve me very well.

In the Tantrik tradition which is a non-dual tradition, there is Shiva which can be synonymous with Brahman or Pure Consciousness - whatever you like to call it and there is Shakti, which is Maya or Energy or perception and everything else that Shiva is not.

It is said that Shiva is everything Shakti is not and Shakti is everything Shiva is not - but wait up, you may say - that is total duality...there's nothing non-dual about that scenario and I agree...until this happens:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b4/29/a5/b429a56825876798419de3e927aca52e.jpg

Shiva and Skakti merge...join as one in the Ardhanishwara form and the 'dividing line' becomes the difference between Shiva and Shakti when they exist in one form - ShivaShakti.

In the esoteric sense, it is the joining of the Ida and Pingala nadis (nerves) within the body, as represented by the serpents and the 'dividing line' becomes the Shusumna Nadi or the sutra nadi - it is represented in Buddhism by the "Middle Way".

We can even see it in the Yin/Yang - there is one polarity "Yin" with certain features...and there is the "Yang" with opposite features to the "Yin"...but when they are brought together, each balances the other out - totally; leading from duality into non-duality in the form of Yin/Yang. Just as Matter and Anti Matter (duality) cancel each other out (non-duality) and the 'dividing line' is the explosion that occurs when it happens.

With the Yin/Yang, this 'dividing line' is represented by the little dot of Yang energy still remaining within the Yin...and the little dot of Yin energy still remaining within the Yang:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/23/83/f0/2383f0f64078eea3f73228ed85b4f321.jpg

It is also represented by Sri Yantra - the point at which the triangles facing upwards totally intersect with those facing downwards:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/The_Sri_Yantra_in_diagrammatic_form.svg/1024px-The_Sri_Yantra_in_diagrammatic_form.svg.png

This becomes the dividing line.

Jai Ardhanishwar!
Jai ShivaShakti!

Om Namah Shivaya

Yes duality is the appearance of a division, a separation. From the non dual perspective I am describing, that division is a very convincing illusion of difference where there is no difference whatsoever. Yin/Yang illustrates both the appearance of separation and the underlying unity. The rest of the initial post is an attempt to describe what may be experienced by seekers when encountering non duality. They can judge for themselves whether it is helpful or not. It doesn't matter either way of course in terms of connection for each is the other, but it seems to arise anyway:)

Thanks for illustrating your point.

[Shivani Devi]

Yes duality is the appearance of a division, a separation. From the non dual perspective I am describing, that division is a very convincing illusion of difference where there is no difference whatsoever. Yin/Yang illustrates both the appearance of separation and the underlying unity. The rest of the initial post is an attempt to describe what may be experienced by seekers when encountering non duality. They can judge for themselves whether it is helpful or not. It doesn't matter either way of course in terms of connection for each is the other, but it seems to arise anyway:)

Thanks for illustrating your point.Thank you.

You have understood it very nicely, so my point was well illustrated.