who decides

[Roselove]

who picks the lessons, the events we are here to learn? the Higher Self or do we cons chose it prior to coming here? and who makes us agree to make up karma in a certain life? it's not us, i know that much. who does it?

[Enya]

As far as I know, we do. :) That is, our spirit does, with a lot of consultation with others who know us well and help support us in our evolution.
Making up karma... I would expect it to be the same process, especially if it involves interaction with another person/s who were involved in the original event to be balanced. I should think this takes in the rulings of spiritual law, too, which some may see as God's law.

[Westleigh]

So far as I understand it, these decisions are made jointly between ourselves (spirit selves/higher selves) and our guides and teachers.

We are never made to do anything against our will. The concept of karma, I think, can be a little skewed. If we treat someone badly in a human lifetime our higher self, upon returning to the spirit world, usually feels remorse for that and will choose to experience a similar circumstance as the victim the next time around of their own volition, not as a punishment, but in order to better understand the consequences of their own actions and the feelings of others in a different position to themselves. So far as I can understand from my guides, this back-and-forth pattern is a tremendous tool of spiritual learning.

I appreciate that these things are often hard to understand from the perspective of our human consciousness, especially when we have been struggling (if I were in a conversation with my higher self I'd probably have a few choice words to say about the path my life has taken) but I know from asking questions about experiences in my previous lifetimes that there is always rhyme and reason to these events.

[Roselove]

mm thank you guys i think i must have been drunk during the process of planning this life out lolkarma isn't always eye for an eye unfornately, it's not a fair process often times those that did good and suffered wounds carry these wounds over in this life and those negative emotions become their "karma"

[Greenslade]

who picks the lessons, the events we are here to learn? the Higher Self or do we cons chose it prior to coming here? and who makes us agree to make up karma in a certain life? it's not us, i know that much. who does it?

We do. And before you ask if we would choose the bad things in our Lives we already have. Spirit doesn't have the same concept of good and bad as we do, in fact I don't believe there is such a thing.

[God-Like]

who picks the lessons, the events we are here to learn? the Higher Self or do we cons chose it prior to coming here? and who makes us agree to make up karma in a certain life? it's not us, i know that much. who does it?
Hi Rosewater

I had an email sent to me from a channel that kinda has a heading similar to your question...

The Decision To Be Here..

"The physical environment is one of great density. To create the solid moments great attention is paid to the intensity necessary to create it all.

It is often not a comfortable place for those with a finer vibration. Many feel out of place in such a wild territory such as physical. Wondering in fact, why they would make such a decision to be here at all.

In the eternal energy there are times where more evolved healing energies are called upon to be of service. Incarnating in a reality where their higher vibration can help balance the density is the primary reason.

It is a time of great movement in the linear, so there is an abundant amount of souls who have made the decision to be here.

Once in the form, however, there can be an occurrence of the dramatic that can cause complete memory to escape those who have volunteered. Knowing on some level they need to be here, but for what, remains a big question.

To find the answer, attempt to settle quietly into your energy. Block out the chitter chatter of the day and remember why.

Balancing energy in this environment is a big endeavor. There are a lot of energies like yourself that are awakening to their purpose.

Lending your ability to balance energy is a huge undertaking, but you would not have come here without the desire to do it.

Focus. Meditate. Be one with your soulful energy. It is what you came here for.

The physical reality will rebound positively with your endeavors. Yes. Your energy is important. Align. Send the healing. It is your purpose this time around."


I agree with It.. What do you think rose?

x daz x

[Gauss]

As far as I understand it it is your karmic self constructed by postnatal bad thoughts, karma, bad notions and external interference(from other dimensions where bad beings exist too).

Your karma comes from previous lifetimes and the rest is created in this environment.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

[mrcuteblackie]

Noone knows what happens after death and who decides what happens, or if there is life after. All the Zen people who have attained that sought state have given no definite answers when asked this.

[earthprowler]

mm thank you guys i think i must have been drunk during the process of planning this life out lolkarma isn't always eye for an eye unfornately, it's not a fair process often times those that did good and suffered wounds carry these wounds over in this life and those negative emotions become their "karma"


understood completely. i've read that we are in such an extremely happy feeling when we are in spirit and preparing to come back we honestly aren't caring how things will turn out, we're just excited to be coming back. Like a giddy school girl I guess. :D then we wake up.....:icon_eek: LOL.

[Dilchannan]

I believe that we choose our life's path before we are born again. We choose the big things, the events, the turning point, the moments that have changed us or steered us in a new direction.

imo, karma is not why we reincarnate. We reincarnate to experience all their is for us humans to experience. What comes around goes around so to speak, right here in this life time. I do not believe we carry all that baggage back home.

Peace

[Roselove]

that makes sense dilchannan thank you

oh dear earth high of happiness lol this is my last time around if have anything to say with it, i really sense we may not have a choice though

very true mr.

God like thank you for posting that, sounds like why i am here at least what i've been told in part, i feel compelled to help others just not in the way it seems my path is leading me too.

[Celeste]

Well, for one thing, I always say, when the brains were given out, I was sleeping, lol.

No, but, we do choose our path. It is just a natural evolving. I feel I brought some lessons from the last life (that I didn't face then) over into this one. I had to have. This life of mine has just been (is) too hard. But, I am learning!! Not tucking away like last life.

[themaster]

I want to add some information..

In some of this talk it reminds me like you don't have a choice with your lessons.. you do have choice.. you can break agreements with your lessons, you can change lessons mid-stream.. you can even complete the lesson and start another one..

My teacher bashar has talked about this extensively I believe in the lecture.. "the soul blueprint"

Part of this lecture is available here.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY6th8JMEtk (this is not the full thing.. bashar has a really cool ocean meditation in this lecture, which is a great allegory for explaining reality)

Also I'm reminded that the soul blueprint is stored in the 8th ray and most of us don't have very good access to it even through the "soul star" which is the chakra above our heads :D

[Roselove]

LOL Celeste! same here

unfornately up until this point I haven't had a choice the master, mostly bc I wasn't aware any of this existed. How does one go about breaking soul contracts?

[themaster]

unfornately up until this point I haven't had a choice the master, mostly bc I wasn't aware any of this existed.You've always had a choice..

Sometimes we down here on earth.. complain via our ego's that we are helpless or victims.. but a choice was made from a broader perspective..

The simplest way to release contracts or soul lessons is to do them or ask.. (often times are imagination doesn't conceive that asking someone for a piece of chewing gum could complete a lifetime soul lesson.. yah, just don't know.. this is quite the illusion :rolleyes: )

"I would like to release soul lessons/contracts that don't serve me in a positive way"

My teacher has directed me a few times (and our class) to release contracts concerning the "first lie" and a certain promise many of us made in atlantis.. and few others.. it's even easier to get out of karma.. that one you just choose too..

I'm unaware of any specific methods other than a few meditations my teacher has taught me/lead me through.. it might certainly ease you up on this to hear the full 4 day lecture from bashar about "the soul blueprint" as I recall most of it was information.. but for example the method he did the small 20 minute meditation he did during that lecture would also be a clearing I think of some limitations..

Actually, now that I really think of it.. any method you can use to do daily healing.. will clear your contracts.. healing is the ultimate fix it problem.. why?

Because you don't have to look at what needs to be healed.. you attack "what's holding you back" "what's hurting you inside or all the I don't like me's inside" without even having to look at them..

Finding yourself a healing meditation or any form of healing.. every day as you meditate/heal.. call on the help of the archangels or visit the temple of the violent flame.. all is good!

In this way too; because you heal.. you don't have to know what your "soul contracts" are.. and you can start a new path of change..

We are not cruel beings to ourselves.. (well we are :tongue: but were also not) so don't think your life is like a crash dummy on a puppet string waiting to crash.. from my feeling everything we want or ask for, is honored.. we are listened to, respected and deeply loved

Does this help?

[aKuna]

The Higher Self or mind as it's called is the Essence/Soul and it more or less directs we make choices and it again directs. There is no set path there are areas soul choose to experience in and the rest is Free Will because we are aspects of the Unified Field which have become to experience for the sake of expansion of the all (Bible relates it as God desiring to know all things) which is the known expansion within the all encompassing universe. There are no set
paths or rules as if there were then we would be repeating and not capable of experiencing the New. We as Soul which became can expand to have as many possible probabilities as there are particles in the Unity Field all is.
KARMA is a human belief system ~ the reality is more of an inner action for expanding with more enlightenment. The human/soul is part of the ALL and as such goes on forever in many different forms...And this is getting way out there in concept to compared to what most of humanity has yet remembered of itself as Essence.

[Roselove]

mm i dont think i had a cons choice in many things, i def did not pick to get abused, ill treated while i was down here the choice if it was mine had to be made prior to birth and it was a poor one.

Yes the best way to do this is heal our issues so we dont repeat cycles you are right! I am trying to work on this at the moment and will continue too thank you

[Shabda]

the thing about karma is that its a double edged sword...we ALL make a free willed choice in the first place when we take the action that creates karma for us, when it comes to paying back that karmic debt, there is no free will, we have no choice because we already made the choice that could have prevented it from happening...

[aKuna]

Rosewater........your soul when it chooses to have a human focus decides what areas it wants to experience limitations of matter in. There is no right no wrong no good no evil attached to any of the human experience for the soul....So choosing what we as humans perceive as negative is only our view. The soul may want to know what certain adversities are like so it can of Free Will react to them. This is how the soul determines it's level of expanded enlightenment of awareness is from how the extension of itself reacts. Our Human Physical Focus is about the
evolution or expanded enlightenment of the soul ~~not the human physical being.

[Roselove]

right true akuna..

[Medium_Laura]

Rosewater........your soul when it chooses to have a human focus decides what areas it wants to experience limitations of matter in. There is no right no wrong no good no evil attached to any of the human experience for the soul....So choosing what we as humans perceive as negative is only our view. The soul may want to know what certain adversities are like so it can of Free Will react to them. This is how the soul determines it's level of expanded enlightenment of awareness is from how the extension of itself reacts. Our Human Physical Focus is about the
evolution or expanded enlightenment of the soul ~~not the human physical being.
A very good explanation of how I understand it as well! :) Only we see negative, our souls do not know that concept until we come here.

[themaster]

The Higher Self or mind as it's called is the Essence/Soul and it more or less directs we make choices and it again directs.Actually, I would like to re-translate this.. the "higher self" chooses the symbols of the reality you’re in to relate the ideas or concepts were experiencing..

My understanding is.. if the oversoul says to the "inner self" I would like to experience danger that could be in the form of almost stepping on a rusty nail or a near fatal car crash.. the inner self chooses the translation mechanism in the persons reality.. this is my understanding..

Also I remember another concept. from bashar.. let's say that your soul lesson is "learning to work with others" if you choose to go up and live in a shack in the woods as a hermit all your life.. th at is a valid choice to the lesson.. a yes or no answer is all that is required!
and it was a poor one.I wouldn't second guess a choice you made from higher perspective.. when you return to that perspective.. than you might realize it was a great choice/experience..

But please do, heal yes.. it would be great to hear you referring to reality as a great experience..

I haven't created such hardships in my life like you.. maybe cause I've already "been there, done that" I often see this life as a graduating class, where I put together the greatest pieces of my other lifetimes and go exploring under my rules, my terms.. that's oddly how I see myself..we have no choice because we already made the choice that could have prevented it from happening...I don't agree with you at all.. karma is a optional game on the planet has been that way for about 100 years.. prior to that you were screwed it was a rule! :D

[aKuna]

themaster Agreed that is a different way to put the same thing...
and yes Bashar always puts things clearly... this to would be a choice we could choose to find the difference in levels of human inner action of non inner acting. I do believe we choose many variations on the same subject to experience the
probabilities available and our human reactions. In this life focus I've been many aspects of myself via the variations. Which is interesting in one focus.
Beliefs regarding KARMA or anything else "are only that ~~ BELIEF" Karma is attached to a religious belief.
Bashar again says the more we think a belief the stronger it becomes a belief.(what a great way to view beliefs)

[Shabda]

karma simply is, it has nothing to do with religion or belief...

[Shabda]

Actually, I would like to re-translate this.. the "higher self" chooses the symbols of the reality you’re in to relate the ideas or concepts were experiencing..

My understanding is.. if the oversoul says to the "inner self" I would like to experience danger that could be in the form of almost stepping on a rusty nail or a near fatal car crash.. the inner self chooses the translation mechanism in the persons reality.. this is my understanding..

Also I remember another concept. from bashar.. let's say that your soul lesson is "learning to work with others" if you choose to go up and live in a shack in the woods as a hermit all your life.. th at is a valid choice to the lesson.. a yes or no answer is all that is required!
I wouldn't second guess a choice you made from higher perspective.. when you return to that perspective.. than you might realize it was a great choice/experience..

But please do, heal yes.. it would be great to hear you referring to reality as a great experience..

I haven't created such hardships in my life like you.. maybe cause I've already "been there, done that" I often see this life as a graduating class, where I put together the greatest pieces of my other lifetimes and go exploring under my rules, my terms.. that's oddly how I see myself..I don't agree with you at all.. karma is a optional game on the planet has been that way for about 100 years.. prior to that you were screwed it was a rule! :D
im sorry but bashar misses a great deal...karma isnt optional, it is part of the make up of this world and the several above it, simple as that, when you have achieved an ability to go there in full consciousness and have another look, come back and we'll talk...:D

[themaster]

im sorry but bashar misses a great deal...karma isnt optional, it is part of the make up of this world and the several above it, simple as that, when you have achieved an ability to go there in full consciousness and have another look, come back and we'll talk...:DOkay :rolleyes:

I'm not arguing that karma is not real.. I do think actions have consequences that part is real (consequences not necessarily being negative.. so let's try actions create changes)

But I am arguing that living your life on "eggshells" is very silly.. but that is what many people do when they take karma in a negative ego direction.. :rolleyes:

[Celeste]

I agree with themaster. Karma can be lifetimes, for life, or it doesn't have to even be a whole life.

[psychoslice]

The ego makes up the whole thing, after life, karma, whatever, anything to keep itself alive.

[Shabda]

Okay :rolleyes:

I'm not arguing that karma is not real.. I do think actions have consequences that part is real (consequences not necessarily being negative.. so let's try actions create changes)

But I am arguing that living your life on "eggshells" is very silly.. but that is what many people do when they take karma in a negative ego direction.. :rolleyes:
ah HA~! i see what you mean now...

[aKuna]

Shabda
If you choose to see it differently this is Your Choice and it's right for you... how we perceive is a choice filtered by beliefs which then become the expression of our reality. This reality consists of Polarity and actions have consequences. This is strictly a facet of 'This' physical reality focus, the idea that karma [our actions travel with us life to life is much misunderstood] Our actions are not something we answer for from life to life. Our "Actions and Thoughts" become the Frequency we Resonate as BEINGS. It's our identity something like an aura only in the bigger picture of the Eternal Field it becomes our identifying TONAL...like a name but it's Sound & Color....this is what remains as us life to life as we have various other life focuses, and with each experience and each life we experience, we add to this Tonal to enhance and expand the expression of who we are as Essence.
"We are Spirit(essence) having a Human experience".. We are essence energy
stepped down to a slow frequency till it became physical matter so we could
experience the limitations of the beliefs we created as part of physicality.
aKuna is the shortened translation of my essence tonal name. I use it
as it's my vibrational frequency and use promotes it as the reality of me.