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Old 27-04-2016, 05:39 AM
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Wonderful post. I feel the same.

Many seem to romanticize not only death, but even the ghastly process of dying. Being a goth at heart, I get it, but-- I don't think most are psychologically prepared to see and feel the period before death, and experience the dissolution of ego. Based on my two experiences, the reptilian brain takes over instantly completely. Just.. Panic panic panic. Like being sucked into a black hole.
But I do look forward to death, itself and the moment of release. (Mainly because I want to be rid of this cumbersome flesh vessel that does not match what I wish to be whatsoever.)
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Old 27-04-2016, 06:56 AM
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I agree with you. The dying process is what I am dreading. I believe in an afterlife so I am not so afraid of being dead just what happens as I am leaving. I think this might partly because our brains are wired for survival. Our body, despite some people mentally wanting to check out, does everything in it's power to live. So when we feel a threat to our ability to maintain life we go into panic and scramble to do everything we can to fight or flight away from danger. I guess maybe on some level, if we know we will not survive a particular illness we may make peace with the dying process and it becomes less traumatic but I'm definitely not looking forward to it but hopefully I get a kind that is quick and sudden and I am just out of my body without much fanfare. One can hope.

Have you read much literature in the field of Thanatology (NDE's, deathbed experiences/visions, etc)?

We might imagine that drowning would be an awful way to 'go', yet there is an abundance of NDE accounts where individuals were drowning and they report a sense of peace/calmness unexpectedly coming over them while they had been struggling in the water... We would likely never had guessed this would happen if not for coming across other peoples' firsthand accounts of such an experience... It's as if the Soul was preparing to detach (separate) from the physical vessel and therefore the individual's Consciousness is freed from the sense of harm created by the immediate circumstances threatening the body...
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Old 27-04-2016, 07:01 AM
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I get the difference. Technically different, I agree. As a nurse, I witnessed lots of sacred moments both in birth and death. I was at the bedside of a woman, documented on telemetry as dead, who when I called her name, turned her head and answered me. She went on to live another six months. Her daughter told me she could never say "I love you" to them, but after this, she told them over and over.

Personally, I had a close call as a child, probably three incidents at least and my child mind did not fear or carry forth conscious fear. As an adult, heart attack, I expected Jesus and the Angels to show up with my mother to fetch me at a moments notice. They didn't. I do not fear death, only pain with no morphine handy.

What I find more disturbing... I see dead people, dead inside just waiting for their bodies to catch up. Spirits squashed flat either from unresolved judgements about the evilness of everything "other" or from being devalued until they believe it.

I found it interesting that a medical survey several years ago declared that the most valuable technical progress which adds true value to our quality of living was the hospice movement.
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Old 27-04-2016, 07:18 AM
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As a nurse, I witnessed lots of sacred moments both in birth and death.

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Have you ever read the book Final Gifts (authored by two hospice nurses)?
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Old 27-04-2016, 08:18 AM
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Gryneos - I completely understand the differences between "death" and "dying"...

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We might imagine that drowning would be an awful way to 'go', yet there is an abundance of NDE accounts where individuals were drowning and they report a sense of peace/calmness unexpectedly coming over them while they had been struggling in the water...

I'm guessing this occurs after the fight-or-flight survival instinct begins to dissolve and the body is getting ready to die? I recall nearly drowning at an amusement park many years ago...I was in the deep end of the wave pool and some kid pushed me down into the water (they were panicking for some reason)...It happened very quickly and I didn't have time to react to the situation...Anyway after being pushed down this caused me to gulp in copious amounts of water...I remember feeling panic, but it wasn't fear of death or dying, but the physical response of "I'm not getting any air, I need to breathe!" So, my sudden panic I believe was caused by the bodies' physiology response as I wasn't consciously thinking about dying...I didn't experience thoughts of "This is it! I'm going to die!" or thoughts of "I'm not ready to die yet!" If that makes sense...I was able to get myself above water and managed to get to shallow waters before I experienced the peaceful calm I've heard NDE drowning victims report...

I also recall a close to death experience while I was at a Halloween party several years ago...I became heavily intoxicated and experienced symptoms of alcohol poisoning...I remember not wanting to breath because the effort to breath was too heavy...too much...and I was losing consciousness and didn't realize several people were trying to keep me awake... I remember seeing darkness and I felt an overwhelming feeling of peace and I recall thinking "So this is how I'm going to die huh?..." I didn't feel panic or anxiety (probably from being heavily intoxicated)...I just felt this feeling of peace and I wanted to completely give up so I didn't have to breath anymore...I was almost taken to the hospital until I started vomiting and regained enough consciousnesses to feel "better" about breathing and was able to be escorted back home...I'd say that incident was the closet to death I've experienced in my lifetime thus far...
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Old 27-04-2016, 11:46 AM
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Have you read much literature in the field of Thanatology (NDE's, deathbed experiences/visions, etc)?

We might imagine that drowning would be an awful way to 'go', yet there is an abundance of NDE accounts where individuals were drowning and they report a sense of peace/calmness unexpectedly coming over them while they had been struggling in the water... We would likely never had guessed this would happen if not for coming across other peoples' firsthand accounts of such an experience... It's as if the Soul was preparing to detach (separate) from the physical vessel and therefore the individual's Consciousness is freed from the sense of harm created by the immediate circumstances threatening the body...

I almost drown once when I was younger and it was panic and fear and I believed I was going to die. It was not a pleasant experience though I did not reach that point where I was releasing from the body. I was saved before that point but definitely a horrifying traumatic experience. But I agree once the dying process is nearing the end that calm would come over us as well as love.
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Old 27-04-2016, 01:23 PM
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Many seem to romanticize not only death, but even the ghastly process of dying.


I don't believe anyone is trying to 'romanticize' death, rather dispel the fear, dread and distress of it. Replacing it with truth and light and understanding.

Many here have spoken of having lost their fear of death. One must ask 'why?' Because those who sought to promote truth and light and understanding by publicizing NDEs, death-bed visions, communication from beyond and so forth, have dispelled their fear, dread and distress.

So to promote the truth about survival of the spirit and the continuity of life is very necessary to counter the misleading stance and teaching of Orthodoxy.
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Old 27-04-2016, 02:01 PM
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While I don't doubt that dying is not a happy process, I also don't doubt that a lot of the fear comes from how society treats it. An animal dies without thinking much about it while we have a lot of rituals here which make a sad situation even worse.

In the age we live in, it is made even harder due to the wars of belief currently going on. People in ages past lived a life where death was the norm, particularly in times of war where soldiers were prepared for death.

Nowadays, we live in better times which has the effect of softening us towards the...darker aspects of life.

Of course, it was thanks to my fear of death which led me to open my mind and go towards my current path and discover all this stuff.
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Old 27-04-2016, 07:35 PM
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Have you ever read the book Final Gifts (authored by two hospice nurses)?

I have not read that book. So many books, so little time... as I've been a busy, busy girl in life. As a young girl, I read everything I could find on angels, miracles, death bed experiences, near death, out of body, and so forth. I suspect I was searching for the supernatural essence of God, which in Bible Belt Baptists, is tightly controlled as only happening in the Bible at that time. I just wanted MORE. I was odd, no doubt about it. Imagine my shock after retirement, when my mother revealed we had a psychic in the community where I grew up. That was verboten.

But, mother had also told me stories of her own parents who related many death bed stories from their experience of nursing the sick and dying during the great flu epidemic of 1919. Really interesting stuff, probably stimulating my own interest in the subject, as did my own close call falling head first into a rain barrel around 7-8 years old or so.

I couldn't accept the tale of lying in the ground forever, waiting for Judgement Day as I was taught. I knew there had to be MORE.
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I don't believe anyone is trying to 'romanticize' death, rather dispel the fear, dread and distress of it. Replacing it with truth and light and understanding.

Many here have spoken of having lost their fear of death. One must ask 'why?' Because those who sought to promote truth and light and understanding by publicizing NDEs, death-bed visions, communication from beyond and so forth, have dispelled their fear, dread and distress.

So to promote the truth about survival of the spirit and the continuity of life is very necessary to counter the misleading stance and teaching of Orthodoxy.

Oh, no, I wasn't really referring to people on this forum. Perhaps I've met an abnormal amount of people who romanticize death and dying. (It's quite possible.) Still, though, I don't think any of us can truly predict how we, personally will react and how we will feel when we're dying.

But I agree with you. Especially considering how the matter of death is danced around and practically ignored in many western countries. Hardly any real heartfelt conversation or acceptance (generally speaking)-- just fear and avoidance.

*sighs* This all makes me wish I had become a hospice nurse like I originally wanted to be. For those that are about to give birth, you have doulas and midwives; there ought to be far more equivalent options here in the western part of the world for those that are dying. Since, after all, death is a sort of birth.
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