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Old 10-02-2016, 10:34 PM
ian77 ian77 is offline
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Yes Gracey,I mean just that.Through thinking we determine our destinies.In one future life,every last one of us,will regenerate our physical body and conquer death and enter a state of conscious bliss beyond the realms of human imagining;We will become conscious as Knowledge,Justice and Love.
This is the ultimate destiny of every conscious self in every human body.
The Kingdom of God is within us all.
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Old 11-02-2016, 12:28 AM
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Free will exists merely as a point of view.
From the perspective of our 3 dimensional space/time consciousness, it is our experience of things. But outside of space/time there is no such thing as it would not be an issue.
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Old 11-02-2016, 04:02 PM
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Many people who may have "Free Will," seem to suppress it by"Beliefs."
Belief, is accepting something on faith or trust without having scientific proof or even "Prima Facie" evidence to support that belief.

Therefore, if you present a particular belief as a fact, when it cannot be proven as such, then you are actually promoting a "Lie." If you doubt that assertion, then look up every definition of a "Lie," that you can find and compare it to the "belief."
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Old 12-02-2016, 09:45 AM
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Episode 3 - Who Is in Control?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...-is-in-control
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:32 PM
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ALPHOMEGA,Through intuition and real thinking all knowledge concerning the Self can be proven.
Things of the senses,the external universe,are proven by thinking through the senses.Self knowledge,the universe within,can be proven by thinking about the Self.Through intuition all things can be known.
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Old 13-02-2016, 01:06 AM
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"Faith is the substance of things hoped for; Evidence of things not yet seen." - Bible

We have free will in this "Matrix". However, this is a lesser reality compared with Eternity, and what we will freely choose and do, are knowns apart from time.

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Old 16-12-2016, 09:36 AM
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Yes we have will to decide what is right and what is wrong. We have free will to decide our future , our deeds and all.
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Old 17-12-2016, 02:09 AM
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Yes we have will to decide what is right and what is wrong. We have free will to decide our future , our deeds and all.
Isn't "right and wrong" conditional and variable? And any fledgling business, personal relationship, and the raising of a child will tell us that the future is full of surprised that are far outside of our ability to act decisively in terms of predetermined intentions and expectations.

We have the free will to "want", based on what we happen to be going through at any given time, but at what point have you been able to actively decide how things will ultimately unfold!?
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Old 17-12-2016, 03:33 AM
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Anyone have any ideas on this subject? This question could unlock our future.
In reference to God, we all have free will up to a point...to the point where we give back that will to God and realise we never had free will in the first place.

Free will can be equated to the choices we make in life, until we realise that even doing nothing is a choice, so what choice do we really have?

When we realise that certain things will happen and continue regardless of whether we want/like them to or not, so what choice do we have?

In the end, we realise it is not about 'us' at all, so where is all the free will?

Free will is something we only believe we have because God told us we have it - yeah, probably the greatest lie He ever told. lol

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Old 17-12-2016, 05:39 AM
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Anyone have any ideas on this subject? This question could unlock our future.

the deal is, to the extent there are things you think you MUST do, or to the extent there are things you think you CANNOT do, you have lost some free will because you will not allow yourself to make choices when you think that way. God said, early in the bible, if you think that way you will die.

IOW to get more free will, you have to give up something else you love. Conversly, continue to do the thing you love and give up some of your free will. Can't have it both ways, not right now.
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