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Old 02-02-2011, 01:46 PM
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Very true. Religion/spirituality preaches Absolutism. Many currents preach that the absolute truth can be known by humans.

Enlightened guru's, self-realized souls, liberated godman, lightworkers.. they are the authorities of today's spirituality.
Nope. Just as Jesus and Saint Paul didn't lived in the endtimes (although they claimed they did), nor did the people who witnessed world war two were living in the endtimes, nor those in the Middle Ages, or those living under colonial rule etc. etc. etc. Many people like to interpret old scripture and fit it in their own time, to make sense of the randomness and destructive forces in nature.

I have my reservations against your opinions about the randomness of nature and prophecies and would like to point at very concrete prophecies like Nostradamus predicting the CCP persecution of Falun Dafa to take place in July 1999 and it would last for 20 years. Also in the bible it is said judgment will arrive "Like a thief"... Many people will walk the earth without noticing anything until it happens.

So there are many prophecies pointing to our times being the endtimes. Also Edgar Cayce said 1999 would be the start of Armageddon and true Christianity would come out of China.

I quote Einstein: "God doesnīt play dice."

I quote Newton: “About the Time of the End, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition”
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:52 PM
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Prophecies are so allegorical, symbolical, and subjective, that you can fit them virtually in any time you like. And this is what people have done, and still do.
''Will come as a thief'' - Yes, you can fit this line to almost any belief and change we go through.

The Mexicans believed the endtimes were near when they overthrew their Spanish overlords, the people in the Middle Ages believed the endtimes were upon them, the 'signs' were everywhere (hunger, religious war, mini ice age, the plague). Some Jews believed the apocalypse was upon them when Rome destroyed the Temple. But if you actually look at history, you can see that a book such as Revelations is probably about Ancient Rome, added with some future expectations and beliefs. Thanks to its allegorical and symbolic message though, it lives on and people shop through it and use it to understand their own time.
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So there are many prophecies pointing to our times being the endtimes.
Quantity over quality it seems. It's easy to say they all do point to the same time, but this only works with blinkers on.

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Old 03-02-2011, 07:21 AM
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Prophecies are so allegorical, symbolical, and subjective, that you can fit them virtually in any time you like. And this is what people have done, and still do.
''Will come as a thief'' - Yes, you can fit this line to almost any belief and change we go through.

The Mexicans believed the endtimes were near when they overthrew their Spanish overlords, the people in the Middle Ages believed the endtimes were upon them, the 'signs' were everywhere (hunger, religious war, mini ice age, the plague). Some Jews believed the apocalypse was upon them when Rome destroyed the Temple. But if you actually look at history, you can see that a book such as Revelations is probably about Ancient Rome, added with some future expectations and beliefs. Thanks to its allegorical and symbolic message though, it lives on and people shop through it and use it to understand their own time.Quantity over quality it seems. It's easy to say they all do point to the same time, but this only works with blinkers on.

In my humble opinion there is a difference between when everyday people believe something and a genuine prophet says something. Everyday people will say anything without any logics.

A prophet will tell truth from the perspective of a higher space-time dimension. In fact all prophecies point to our time from different perspectives(lifestyle, dates, technology etc etc) to make people think.

A prophecy should not be too blunt or else everyone would enlighten without any effort.
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Old 03-02-2011, 05:45 PM
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In my humble opinion there is a difference between when everyday people believe something and a genuine prophet says something. Everyday people will say anything without any logics.
Who are ''everyday people''?
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A prophet will tell truth from the perspective of a higher space-time dimension. In fact all prophecies point to our time from different perspectives(lifestyle, dates, technology etc etc) to make people think.
Ah but the prophet is only accepted if he can be integrated into the belief system in one way or another. As such ''predictions'' are allegorical and symbolic in nature they can fit in pretty much any belief. Especially in modern New Age teachings, which are extremely subjective.

They appear to talk about the same things because they are either coming from the same culture, or cultures that have influenced one another, and/or it's the subjective nature of their messages that can be used in many ways.
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:29 AM
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Miss Hepburn, I was reading what you suggested about Jesus. Very interesting. Resolved some issues. Big THX.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:39 PM
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Miss Hepburn, I was reading what you suggested about Jesus. Very interesting. Resolved some issues. Big THX.
You must mean this site:
http://www.askrealjesus.com/askrealj...hreincarn.html

I know isn't great!

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Old 04-02-2011, 06:31 PM
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You must mean this site:
http://www.askrealjesus.com/askrealj...hreincarn.html

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Is this the Second Coming of Christ?
When I first encountered this site, I was VERY sceptical, almost hostile to it, but I decided to read it and disprove it...that was 4 years ago...
Everything written here vibrates.
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Old 04-02-2011, 06:57 PM
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Who are ''everyday people''?
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The below statements are just my two cents at my wisdom level and can not be regarded as any form of truth.

In my opinion everyday people are the vast majority of people in the world, that means these people are not cultivating genuinely and hence they can not enter other time-spaces and see the future - they are locked although there are some people with a good base who can see some stuff.

Genuine prophets(special people with very good inborn quality) have existed in all cultures throughout all ages, the difference lies in their ability to enter other time-spaces and hence they can know peopleīs fate, the worldīs fate etc etc. We live in a multidimensional universe but people are locked to just see this single dimension. Some people can feel or see other lower dimensions but very few can go to a high dimension and see the future.

Hence this phenomenom has nothing to do with cultures or ethnic groups etc. Ie the Mayans say the same things like the Vikings about this universe and the end times. And a knights templar talks about our current modern society while some other prophet speaks about the weather during the end times. Yet another one speaks about the Holy King of the Wheel arriving to the world.

All divine prophecies survived to our days for a reason. Had they been shams they would have been long forgotten. Someone rules this place and he makes the decisions.

Every prophet has a divine task, to show us one angle of the end times. If you put together all the prophecies you will know pretty clearly what will happen.

New age theories is something completely different than genuine prophets. I donīt believe it is genuine.
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Old 04-02-2011, 07:08 PM
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In my opinion everyday people are the vast majority of people in the world, that means these people are not cultivating genuinely and hence they can not enter other time-spaces and see the future.
Are you part of the ''everyday people''?
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Genuine prophets(special people with very good inborn quality) have existed in all cultures throughout all ages,
Define ''culture''..
For example, what about the Neanderthal?
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This has nothing to do with cultures or ethnic groups etc. Hence the Mayans say the same things like the Vikings about this universe and the end times.
They do not say the same things, that's what you want to see to validate your own belief. The same way as you explained someone's experience with a guide as the 'demons' of your scripture. Some Americans believe their country is given to them by the god, Mexicans believed their independence from Spain was foretold in Revelations. There are countless examples that show that prophecies are used in many ways.
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All divine prophecies survived to our days for a reason. Had they been shams they would have been long forgotten.
They survived thanks to their subjective allegorical nature that can be knitted in every time.
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Every prophet has a divine task, to show us one angle of the end times. If you put together all the prophecies you will know pretty clearly what will happen.
Yep. Its subjective nature will give the believer the desired result. Weather patterns and earthquakes (which always happen) will be interpreted with scripture. Deaths of famous people as well. World leaders are of course the demonic lords. Many believers want a grander purpose and designer to watch over them.

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Old 04-02-2011, 08:28 PM
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Is this the Second Coming of Christ?
When I first encountered this site, I was VERY sceptical, almost hostile to it, but I decided to read it and disprove it...that was 4 years ago...
Everything written here vibrates.
Perryji,
What ARE you talking about?
Now, are you asking if a website is the Second Coming of Christ?
Say it isn't so?

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Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones...
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