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Old 29-04-2015, 08:10 PM
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An interesting document from the RCP exploring the transpersonal in relation to psychosis -

https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Nicki%... Emergence.pdf
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Old 30-04-2015, 07:51 AM
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http://crazywisefilm.com | Official extended trailer for CRAZYWISE, a feature documentary challenging the current mental health system in crisis. A 20-year fascination with shamanism leads photographer and filmmaker Phil Borges to question how Western cultures define and treat severe mental disorders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKfQd0bk214

Also more videos to watch on the Crazywise u-tube channel -

https://www.youtube.com/user/CrazywiseFilm

http://crazywisefilm.com/
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Old 30-04-2015, 03:03 PM
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[sorry to hijack the thread]

i think humanity has largely outgrown orthodox/organised religion, as a productive enterprise.

i do see all religion/spiritual systems as being man made - fingers pointing to the moon, best not to confuse the finger with the moon. The spiritual realms are imo beyond the mind/ego, theory, idea, words & concepts. i tend to view a lot of religion as myth, symbol, analogy & metaphor - that there are different maps, & the map is not the territory.

i like the integral view of Ken Wilbur, although not confined to just him -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integra...pirituality%29

i also find an appeal with panpsychism -

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/panpsychism/

& the work of Carl Jung, who i think made great strides in attempting to map the psyche.

Have been meaning to read 'The map of heaven' by Eben Alexander. It looks like an interesting read -

http://www.ebenalexander.com/books/the-map-of-heaven/

An interesting reference within the book also is to Emanuel Swedenborg, who was a very interesting character -

http://www.theisticpsychology.org/bo...ce_spirits.htm

So much of interest within all these areas out there.
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Old 30-04-2015, 06:43 PM
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Do you think the brain of a schizophrenic person differs from that of a "normal" person?
And that medicine helps to make the schizophrenic person act more normal?
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Old 30-04-2015, 07:00 PM
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There are a lot of very interesting fringe areas within the subject of mental health.

Try searching - mystical psychosis, spiritual emergency, shamanism & schizophrenia, as some examples.

i don't deny that people are unwell/ill in various ways & to various degrees - But i also feel there are spiritual/transpersonal elements to peoples conditions/experiences. i don't see any either/or.

i do think that people could be being far better helped in most cases - i think the 'mentally ill' are being terribly & tragically failed by our current society & mental health systems.

unfortunately, our society is broken right across the board. you are right to do your own research to find other avenues for your issues. Long ago, people such as yourself were thought to have a calling for the life of shaman, there were plant medicines and elders to guide you, now they brand you as ill.
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Old 30-04-2015, 09:01 PM
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Do you think the brain of a schizophrenic person differs from that of a "normal" person?
And that medicine helps to make the schizophrenic person act more normal?

Glad you put normal in inverted commas.

i don't see an either/or - i take a genuinely integral/holistic view - mind/body/soul/spirit.

Schizophrenia is largely an umbrella term - there may be 20 or more things going on with people so labelled.

i do think it's valid to study the brain, it's physiology/neurology - brain structure, function & development - & i do think that is part of the picture - i'm not opposed to a more comprehensive psychiatry, nor to a wise use of medications, & for some people i think medication is vital - i take medication as well.

Maybe in some cases people with a schizophrenia diagnosis are suffering primarily from some form of brain condition? Personally i think the primary aetiology is psychogenic (of the mind/psyche) in the majority of cases - but that wouldn't exclude physiological components.

i'd wager things are individual & complex, & i'd question if there is such a thing as schizophrenia as a specific/distinct disease pathology? i see it more as metaphor & diagnostic category.

There does appear to be some consensus that the condition is mediated across biologic, psychological & social/environmental areas (i'd also add spiritual/transpersonal).
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Old 30-04-2015, 09:03 PM
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unfortunately, our society is broken right across the board. you are right to do your own research to find other avenues for your issues. Long ago, people such as yourself were thought to have a calling for the life of shaman, there were plant medicines and elders to guide you, now they brand you as ill.

The 'schizophrenics' would certainly be treated/approached differently within other cultures/times.
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Old 30-04-2015, 09:30 PM
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Do you think the brain of a schizophrenic person differs from that of a "normal" person?
And that medicine helps to make the schizophrenic person act more normal?

That is the general consensus/reasoning. Do you think it's a success?

i don't know percentage of psychotropic medications (it's high) - 80% of Americans & 50% of the British are now on some form of prescribed drug(s). Some people think this is a great success - personally i think it's shocking. i suppose drug companies & those that favour social control are laughing...
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Old 01-05-2015, 08:48 AM
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That is the general consensus/reasoning. Do you think it's a success?

i don't know percentage of psychotropic medications (it's high) - 80% of Americans & 50% of the British are now on some form of prescribed drug(s). Some people think this is a great success - personally i think it's shocking. i suppose drug companies & those that favour social control are laughing...

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"I would say at least half the folks who are being treated with antidepressants aren't benefiting from the active pharmacological effects of the drugs themselves but from a placebo effect," says Steven Hollon, PhD, a psychology professor at Vanderbilt University who has conducted extensive research on the effectiveness of antidepressants. "If people knew more, I think they would be a little less likely to go down the medication path than the psychosocial treatment path."

The use of psychotropic drugs by adult Americans increased 22 percent from 2001 to 2010, with one in five adults now taking at least one psychotropic medication, according to industry data. In 2010, Americans spent more than $16 billion on antipsychotics, $11 billion on antidepressants and $7 billion for drugs to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). The rapid growth of all three classes of drugs has alarmed some mental health professionals, who are concerned about the use of powerful antipsychotic drugs by elderly nursing home residents and the prescription of stimulants to children who may have been misdiagnosed with ADHD.


from: http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/06/prescribing.aspx
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Old 02-05-2015, 08:14 AM
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An interesting collection of alternative mental health treatments here -

Codex Alternus -

http://www.alternativementalhealth.c...FifthIssue.pdf

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/
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