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Old 06-08-2006, 01:12 AM
Glorymist
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Without a doubt - - each and every individual Soul is "composed" of the same exact spiritual essence / energy. Each - - is equal. The only difference is in the degree of realization and what we do / how we live that realization.

The whole concept of "oneness" is vital - - unquestionably. But as with all aspects of the Path - - there is a balance to in in the livingness of it.

Suppose each atom in the Ocean had the capability of finally determining that it was a viable, individual drop. NOT - - separate. NOT - - apart. But individual. Would the next step to that discovery be to launch back into the Ocean and just meld back into it ?? Would one wish to discover their individuality only to give it up again ??

Yes - - there is an aspect of this. A lot of this has to do with Service to Life. But still - - Soul must learn to live in both worlds. Here - - and in the Pure Worlds of God - - at the same time. So - - one must learn to live as melded back into the whole - - but also as an individual. As a microcosm and a macrocosm.

So many people view "all is one" as some kind of end result to it all.

That would make the Path way too easy.
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Old 07-08-2006, 04:17 PM
Katara
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Glorymist
Without a doubt - - each and every individual Soul is "composed" of the same exact spiritual essence / energy. Each - - is equal. The only difference is in the degree of realization and what we do / how we live that realization.

The whole concept of "oneness" is vital - - unquestionably. But as with all aspects of the Path - - there is a balance to in in the livingness of it.

Suppose each atom in the Ocean had the capability of finally determining that it was a viable, individual drop. NOT - - separate. NOT - - apart. But individual. Would the next step to that discovery be to launch back into the Ocean and just meld back into it ?? Would one wish to discover their individuality only to give it up again ??

Yes - - there is an aspect of this. A lot of this has to do with Service to Life. But still - - Soul must learn to live in both worlds. Here - - and in the Pure Worlds of God - - at the same time. So - - one must learn to live as melded back into the whole - - but also as an individual. As a microcosm and a macrocosm.

So many people view "all is one" as some kind of end result to it all.

That would make the Path way too easy.

Beautifully said...I always wondered about the whole "oneness" concept, afraid it was the end result, as you said. Everyone always talks about getting rid of self/ego and it makes no sense to me? I always believe that we still maintain our individuality while becoming one with the Source at the same time and ego isn't a bad thing when working in harmony with your heart and Soul...Balance. Thank you for your wonderful thoughts and your other post also, very well said, Glorymist. I do have one quesiton though, what did you mean when you said "Soul / Atman - - is the driver of "them" all. Of all the bodies. But - - for the most part - - unknowingly." How, if soul is a "KNOWING aspect of Divine Spirit Itself", how does it not know this?

And thank you DASA for your thoughts as well...*smiles*

Many Blessings

Last edited by Katara : 07-08-2006 at 04:57 PM.
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Old 07-08-2006, 06:42 PM
Glorymist
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Katara - - just as an aside - - what I often have the most trouble with in dealing with these forums is that I make entries that explain these facets / things - - and then I forget what forum I made them in and what entry they are - - so I am always building on concepts as if everyone has already read them all and everything should just fall into place. HeH I am finding that is NOT the case ! !

First - - try to understand that when I use slash marks - - such as Soul / atman - - I am just using that because people always used to jump on my choice of a single word so I began to use multiple choices that meant the same thing so it would cut down on the whole semantics issues. It works - - to some extent.

Now - - Soul - - is "composed" if you will - - of Pure Spirit. Soul is from the Pure Worlds of God - - by whatever name / concept you wish to accept here. But the nature of the school room is to dump poor Soul down into the worlds of duality to discover who and what It (Soul) is by first discovering who and what It is not. So - - Soul is very much out of Its element here. Like - - dumping us (our physical bodies) down into the ocean. We would die ! ! So would Soul. Therefore - - Soul was given "bodies" to use as protective coverings to protect it from the harsh environments - - just as we might use wet suits or deep sea diving gear to protect us from dropping down into the depths of the ocean. These "bodies" that we are given - - ARE in their element here. They are composed of the lower world elements - - which are both the positive and negative atoms / energies / etc.

In other words - - mind is "stronger" than Soul here because mind is in its natural habitat - - so to speak. Add to that - - the handicap of reincarnation - - which puts us at a very precarious level at each birth - - and we them ust learn the ways and means of the society we are born into for that lifetime - - and since the world promotes the ways and means of mind and emotions - - Soul is taught that mind and emotions are where it's at ! ! Soul accepts this as being true. It never knew otherwise.

But thru the various lifetimes - - Soul begins to realize that there are limits to mind - - and often - - other limitions are the very result of mind itself. Soul begins to suspect mind as being just a tool - - rather than the absolute master that mind wishes to be considered as.

Soul - - unknowingly - - at first - - accepted mind as the master of all that happened within each lifetime - - because mind was in its element and Soul was not. Finally - - the penduluum swings the other way. The battle is long, scary, and fierce. Mind NEVER wishes to relinquish its mastery over Soul. Most often - - mind considers Soul to be a clear and obnoxious enemy to it (mind) and always fights against Soul to maintain its (mind) supremecy.

Ultimately - - Soul gains grounds here - - but not in the way most people believe the "victory" to be won.

About the "oneness" thing - - remember that we ARE both one AND individual. We are one with Divine Spirit yet we are individual at the same time - - otherwise we would not even recognize ourselves as being the proverbial "drop" in the ocean. We are one and individual within the lower worlds - - because mind is the tool that made all in the lower worlds - - and since there is only one overall universal mind - - or one complete / overall mental awareness / faculty - - then these worlds are all composed from the mental awareness - - yet are individual because of the differences in perception and in what we mentally perceive our world to be.

And lastly - - we are one with all of LIFE IT-self - - which would comprise all of existence - - yet we are individual in our experiences and our understanding / realization of what all of "this" is and what all of "this" means.

What I have just put there - - is a good example of the concept of the "three in the three" - - which is a basis for all the various "trinities" in the world. There are three different facets of it all that compose the whole - - but still remain individual at the same time. Like - - positive / negative / neutral - - or - - father / son / holy ghost. Each distinct - - yet whole - - yet again - - distinct.

This - - in turn - - is the basis of balance - - or a good part of it. Balance all facets - - understand each - - "use" them all as what they were intended to be used as.

Not that we are going to "use" - - God. HeH ! ! I think I gave too many examples there. But - - many people try to "use" God as a "gimmee" God. So - - I guess - - that concept isn't too far-fetched either.

I'd better stop here. I'm even confusing myself ! !
  #24  
Old 09-08-2006, 01:46 PM
Ascended Master
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Originally Posted by peteyzen
eternity: If only I was an advanced soul my friend, if only.
But thank you for your kind words anyhow,

Ascended Master: I can`t tell you how powerful and helpful your posts are to us all on this site my friend, positively inspirational!!!
We all feel lucky and unlucky at times just check out some of my posts I am exactly the same. This path is hard, it is the ultimate path, its what we are really supposed to be doing and as an endeavour , it is the highest a human can take on.
Please never, ever apologise for not being at your best at all times, because if you were, my friend, non of us could compare to you in the slightest.
We all have ups and downs, it is the natiure of this work and we grow by picking ourselves up time and time again.
You know where the light is. Try not to seperate light and dark rather see it as deserve and not deserve and act appropriately.

Wow look at me giving you advice!!?? I apologise
Best regards Pete

Thank you Pete, best regards to you too.

With all the love and light in the universe...

AM
  #25  
Old 09-08-2006, 02:04 PM
Ascended Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Katara
"According to Cayce, our spirit self is, has been, and always will be “before the throne of God.” It is perfect, unblemished, made in the image of Elohim, as recorded in Genesis 1. Cayce says that it is “a thing apart from anything earthy,” and does not descend into the realms of Earth unless we lift ourselves up to it and connect with it. Even then, it remains shielded from earthly influences

You're thoughts are inspiring in theirself Katara.

Keep going and enjoy the ride!

AM
  #26  
Old 09-08-2006, 02:13 PM
Ascended Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eternity
Thank you so much for your lovely reply.
Please never apologise,not needed.
Offer all the dark to the Divine,you will see a rapid change.The divine is the ultimate light and will hear all prayers that are given direct.
Offer all,anger love frustration any thing that blocks the light.
Please keep me in touch with your future events.
Blessings.
Light and grace.
Eternity.

Hi Eternity

Thank you for that...

Bless you, with love and light.

AM
  #27  
Old 10-08-2006, 06:48 PM
Katara
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Glorymist
Katara - - just as an aside - - what I often have the most trouble with in dealing with these forums is that I make entries that explain these facets / things - - and then I forget what forum I made them in and what entry they are - - so I am always building on concepts as if everyone has already read them all and everything should just fall into place. HeH I am finding that is NOT the case ! !

First - - try to understand that when I use slash marks - - such as Soul / atman - - I am just using that because people always used to jump on my choice of a single word so I began to use multiple choices that meant the same thing so it would cut down on the whole semantics issues. It works - - to some extent.

Now - - Soul - - is "composed" if you will - - of Pure Spirit. Soul is from the Pure Worlds of God - - by whatever name / concept you wish to accept here. But the nature of the school room is to dump poor Soul down into the worlds of duality to discover who and what It (Soul) is by first discovering who and what It is not. So - - Soul is very much out of Its element here. Like - - dumping us (our physical bodies) down into the ocean. We would die ! ! So would Soul. Therefore - - Soul was given "bodies" to use as protective coverings to protect it from the harsh environments - - just as we might use wet suits or deep sea diving gear to protect us from dropping down into the depths of the ocean. These "bodies" that we are given - - ARE in their element here. They are composed of the lower world elements - - which are both the positive and negative atoms / energies / etc.

In other words - - mind is "stronger" than Soul here because mind is in its natural habitat - - so to speak. Add to that - - the handicap of reincarnation - - which puts us at a very precarious level at each birth - - and we them ust learn the ways and means of the society we are born into for that lifetime - - and since the world promotes the ways and means of mind and emotions - - Soul is taught that mind and emotions are where it's at ! ! Soul accepts this as being true. It never knew otherwise.

But thru the various lifetimes - - Soul begins to realize that there are limits to mind - - and often - - other limitions are the very result of mind itself. Soul begins to suspect mind as being just a tool - - rather than the absolute master that mind wishes to be considered as.

Soul - - unknowingly - - at first - - accepted mind as the master of all that happened within each lifetime - - because mind was in its element and Soul was not. Finally - - the penduluum swings the other way. The battle is long, scary, and fierce. Mind NEVER wishes to relinquish its mastery over Soul. Most often - - mind considers Soul to be a clear and obnoxious enemy to it (mind) and always fights against Soul to maintain its (mind) supremecy.

Ultimately - - Soul gains grounds here - - but not in the way most people believe the "victory" to be won.

About the "oneness" thing - - remember that we ARE both one AND individual. We are one with Divine Spirit yet we are individual at the same time - - otherwise we would not even recognize ourselves as being the proverbial "drop" in the ocean. We are one and individual within the lower worlds - - because mind is the tool that made all in the lower worlds - - and since there is only one overall universal mind - - or one complete / overall mental awareness / faculty - - then these worlds are all composed from the mental awareness - - yet are individual because of the differences in perception and in what we mentally perceive our world to be.

And lastly - - we are one with all of LIFE IT-self - - which would comprise all of existence - - yet we are individual in our experiences and our understanding / realization of what all of "this" is and what all of "this" means.

What I have just put there - - is a good example of the concept of the "three in the three" - - which is a basis for all the various "trinities" in the world. There are three different facets of it all that compose the whole - - but still remain individual at the same time. Like - - positive / negative / neutral - - or - - father / son / holy ghost. Each distinct - - yet whole - - yet again - - distinct.

This - - in turn - - is the basis of balance - - or a good part of it. Balance all facets - - understand each - - "use" them all as what they were intended to be used as.

Not that we are going to "use" - - God. HeH ! ! I think I gave too many examples there. But - - many people try to "use" God as a "gimmee" God. So - - I guess - - that concept isn't too far-fetched either.

I'd better stop here. I'm even confusing myself ! !

THank you for clarifying, Glorymist. *Smiles*

Many Blessings
  #28  
Old 10-08-2006, 06:50 PM
Katara
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ascended Master
You're thoughts are inspiring in theirself Katara.

Keep going and enjoy the ride!

AM


Thank you AM...*Smiles*

Blessed Be
  #29  
Old 13-09-2006, 06:53 AM
mikron
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The Answer to you question is really so simple its obvious!!

when you die you go into your astral body, and the when the astral body dies you go into your mental body and when that dies you go into your spiritual body after that you go to the center of the galaxy where great spirt resides and its a one way ticket! no one every comes becuase there so happy ! so the rest of dont really know until its our time !


mikron
  #30  
Old 16-09-2006, 02:07 AM
Tickle_Awakening_Sport
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Everything is Ever Eternal Or Momentary

In my humble Opinion-- Everything in the cosmos is ever Eternal and ever MOmentary as well..Some Moments become Eternal and some eternities become Momentary as well.
All that happens is 'a Shift in Consciousness" of that Which is Observing all Changes or Unchanging reality and illusion.
Once that Observer is in a sleep mode, nothing matters.
Love n Light
JAGS
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