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Old 03-06-2011, 04:21 PM
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Sparrow, I really appreciate your wisdom and insights. Thanks so much for all the time and energy you put into your posts.

If our true home in heaven is an actual physical tangible place like planet Earth then what is the benefit to the spirit or soul for coming to Earth or any other "phyisical" place? What can be acomplished here that could not be accomplished in the spirit world?

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You make a very valid point my friend. A point I feel so many of our new age and spiritual companions neglect to understand. As you yourself may observe, there are many who claim that you must repetitiously return back to the physical Earth in order to ‘progress’ and either earn some ascension title or learn some lesson which obviously the spirit world must therefore be ‘lacking’ to provide for you.

The home of your sacred spirit lacks nothing, it is the place from where all things come, and to which all things must go. It is a place where all questions are first born, and from where all answers may come. It is a place where all that is, all that exists does so to serve all else in the name of love.

What can be accomplished in the physical realm is this very same act of service to all else. While the tools and props are different, as are the costumes we wear, the needs are one and the same. That need is the need for love. Love is what brings things together. Love is what reveals true nature. Love reveals true Self in all things. This is your purpose.

While suffering and fear remain in the hearts and minds of men, souls will continue to migrate from the heavens to fulfil the balance and need for love. So shall the need for love continue in physical state, so shall those with a will to provide it continue to flock and flourish there.

When the day comes when Heaven is a place on Earth, and the veil of separation between two kingdoms ceases to exist, will be the day human beings accept their true inheritance. Each day you remember more of your true Self, and each day you act True in the name of love, the physical domain becomes closer to Self-realization. You are part of that process. Not only are you the process, but you are the beginning and the end.

It matters not what side of the veil you choose to walk, the original intention remains the same. All that exists is within a state to Self-becoming. You are upon the Earth to take part in the becoming of that which now is. The tapestry of the moment of now.

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Old 03-06-2011, 04:33 PM
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If you right about about heaven being whatever I choose it to be then I should find myself in a paradise surrounded with animals and guitars.


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If animals and guitars you wish, then in astounding abundance you will have them.

Guitars in the spirit world are a little different to those upon the Earth. Their designs are modified to allow the music itself to be triggered via thought instruction and memory recall. That is to say, your memory of different sounds will be fed to the guitar itself and it will amplify the sound in any way, shape or form you instruct it. They do not have the same limitations as string guitars found on Earth. The music then, will actually take on a life of its own and, in a very real and visual way, dance in front of your very eyes. The material that makes the guitars are actually also alive and will respond to your touch. In fact, every material you will encounter in the spirit world is alive with its own consciousness. Nothing stays still, all moves and interacts with your presence.

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Old 03-06-2011, 04:51 PM
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My last opinion didn't have heaven or spirit world as a physical tangible place. So now I'm wondering....


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The spirit world can be just as physical and real, if not more so than the world you now inhabit. This is because, if you choose something to be ‘solid’ then so shall it become so. If you choose to see something different and interact with it on another level, it will begin to alter its dimensions. Just in the same way as you can either choose to ‘walk’ with legs, using your cellular memory of the sensation of walking on ground, or you can do away with legs altogether and float around. Or you can simply transport yourself to your next desired location without needing any of it. You will very rarely remain in one shape or form, and in fact that would be impractical anyway, since not everything works the same way as it does on Earth.
For example, you might find whilst visiting another species soul group that their front door is the size of planet Earth itself, and so it would become apparent to you to ‘think’ yourself bigger in order that you would interact with this door in an appropriate manner and size for your surroundings. In which case you would suddenly find yourself the size of a planet, but you would not know that for you would simply appear normal size next to this front door. Or, for example, if you were to visit the homes of some animals, such as rabbits, you would actually shrink yourself an appropriate size in order to enter their habitats as a guest. You may, as many do, simply change form into a rabbit yourself. Obviously this is easier said than done, but ambassadors for that group will assist you transform with their permission.

You are right to question your beliefs constantly, because the spirit world always shows you the truth in new and exciting ways. It is best to stick with what you know, and leave an open mind and heart for that which you do not.

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Old 04-06-2011, 01:04 AM
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hi Cal,

Nice to hear from you too !

I am not sure on the heaven or spirit world idea of being a tangible place. I suppose if it were so that heaven is what you want it to be, it would have to be tangible, in a way. The spirit world, I imagine to be different, more otherworldly... like a dream drifting thru your mind, if I had to describe it.

What a noisy paradise, animals and guitars, lol ! Just kidding, a nice combination. I am guessing you play guitar, do you sing, write songs ?

some days there is just way tooooo much to contemplate !

Enjoy the coming weekend !
Dream Angel xx

Dream Angel, I guess that would be pretty noisy...lol. I have birds, cats and dogs and guitars and amps now, so already it can get pretty noisy regularly. The animals really seem to like music, particulary the birds.

I've played guitar since the age of 10. I have written a few songs and played in a band (small time) in the past but now I just play to play and have fun learning new things. I don't sing too well though. I just love to play guitar. I can get lost for hours at a time when playing music.

Have a nice weekend

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Old 04-06-2011, 01:16 AM
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Sparrow, I really and truly appreciate your support and insights.

I need to digest all I've just read a bit more carefully and deeply but I can say it seems like what you are describing as the spirit would is very similar to my dream world, especially my lucid and semi lucid dreams. Even how you described guitars...it's just amazing!

Thank you so much for all the insights, support and encouragment you have provided me and our friends in these forums. It has been quite an influence in my life.


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Old 04-06-2011, 02:50 AM
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hi Cal,

It makes sense then if you have all those animals and guitars now and enjoy them, you would want them with you in heaven. I am getting a visual of your birds, swaying to the music as you play guitar

I could get lost for hours just listening to someone playing guitar, with them either singing with it or just the guitar music.

and I second your comment to Sparrow ~
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:36 PM
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"When the day comes when Heaven is aplace on Earth, and the veil of separation between two kingdoms ceases to exist, will be the day human beings accept their true inheritance. Each day you remember more of your true Self, and each day you act True in the name of love,the physical domain becomes closer to Self-realization. You are part of that process. Not only are you the process, but you are the beginning and the end."

Sparrow thanks so much for the insights. I’ve had a chance to digest and I have a few questions. This process you speak of, am I to understand this is not really me as an individual but me as part of the whole –as collective conscience or whatever is the best description? I’m wondering because for thousands of years (or longer) humans might have been in this process, while my life on earth is just a tiny spec of time. Or is it they each individual human entity, as they get older and wiser (more spiritual?) come closer to self realization – making the process more of a bit by bit over a large period oftime until a majority becomes closer to Self-realization?

"It matters not what side of the veil you choose to walk, the original intention remains the same. All that exists is within a state to Self-becoming. You are upon the Earth to take part in the becoming of that which now is. The tapestry of the moment of now."

This seems to synchronize well with some insights I received this weekend – a spontaneous message to me in my inner ears. I was told that in order to be at peace with myself I need to be at peace with the world, and in order to be at peace with the world I need to be at peace with myself.

The last of the brief insights were that the beginning and the end, and everything in between, exist only in the present not the past or future. Our thoughts and actions in the present are key.

Do you have any advice on how to best maintain present moment awareness and not get caught up in the minds reactions and storybuilding from reactions to events of the past and fear of things that could happen in the future?

Lastly, you have spoke in other posts about when we cross over in death that we carry the same persona that we aquired/built during our last soul journey on Earth, until we eventually learn to remember who we truly are and are reunited with our soul groups and our true spriritual being. How much of an influence is our current state of mind at the time of passing? Some days, or even hours of the day, I am in a better state of mind than others. If I pass suddenly and have a state of mind that is angry or fearful (something not loving and at peace with my self and the world) does that state become the state of consciousness I have to deal with in the transition? or is it a more of an average of my state of self becoming up to the point of death?

Thanks again for all your insights and support!
Cal

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Old 07-06-2011, 12:17 AM
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Well said, Cal! Ditto to that... flutter

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Sparrow, I really and truly appreciate your support and insights.

I need to digest all I've just read a bit more carefully and deeply but I can say it seems like what you are describing as the spirit would is very similar to my dream world, especially my lucid and semi lucid dreams. Even how you described guitars...it's just amazing!

Thank you so much for all the insights, support and encouragment you have provided me and our friends in these forums. It has been quite an influence in my life.




Cal
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Old 09-06-2011, 08:55 PM
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This process you speak of, am I to understand this is not really me as an individual but me as part of the whole –as collective conscience or whatever is the best description?

I speak of Self-realization in terms of human beings as an interstellar multi-dimensional species. This is their intention, their True identity and purpose. The original genetics of human biology were designed to last forever, to allow the soul counterpart to come and go consciously at will, and to alter their vibration in order to access many different realities. Much in the same way as their genetic brethren, the sasquatch, who presently do so. This is to say, they were originally intended to be immortal. It is only through corruption, abuse and neglect that this is no longer evident.
As a spiritual being, and a soul counterpart to this intention, called Human being, it is in service that you are here to influence the direction of the species, and those of others. With the many spiritual gifts you possess it is the hope of your soul group that you apply these to facilitate growth and direction upon the planet. For the events on planet Earth have significance and consequence to millions of other planets and species beyond its own sola system. Events upon the Earth also have significance and consequence within the spirit world, as it is that all things are connected, unperceivable to the many.
An evolution upon the Earth triggers an evolution in the spirit world, and also an evolution of the universe itself. All is part of a much larger ‘body’. When one limb evolves, the whole body evolves.

The work you facilitate here on Earth as an individual will be amplified a hundred times in the spirit world, allowing much in the spirit world to evolve and expand. Not because the spirit lacks a thing, but because spirit is infinite in expansion. In order to be infinite it must forever expand and forever evolve continuously without end. This is why you should never underestimate your true worth, and that one person can, and always does make a difference, in this world, or the other. It is by far more difficult to make a difference in the physical world, simply because there is by far much more resistance against you. However, no effort or progress ever goes to waste.

I’m wondering because for thousands of years (or longer) humans might have been in this process, while my life on earth is just a tiny spec of time.

Humans have been present on Earth for 5 million years, albeit in a variation of genetic form. The different races and skin tones seen today are the result of modified genetic characteristics by visiting foreign species. The human race has been observed to have progressed in some areas, but regressed in others, such as their diminished emphasis on spiritual values. The process of Self-realization, as a species, is not a straight line of progress, but more of a fluctuation of events and influences. While you may think yourself to be a tiny spec within this process, the process itself is meaningless and has no true purpose or function should you yourself, as an individual hold no true value for it. For it is the values you yourself place upon this process of Self-realization that give purpose to the whole journey. It is not the end result that is significant, but the experience of the journey you yourself took to reach that end result. Do not then bewilder yourself with the unfathomable plan of prime creator, for in doing so you miss the point of it all, and that is to experience the actual process itself, your Self.

Or is it they each individual human entity, as they get older and wiser (more spiritual?) come closer to self realization

Before we speak of the human entity, know that your spirit cannot get ‘more spiritual’, that is a false truth. This is also why spiritual ascension is also a false truth. There is no up or down, higher or lower in the spirit world, as you perceive reality to be, there is only expansion in every direction. That which is perfect and complete lacks nothing, and does not need more of something else to be its True Self. Your spirit is a mirror image of prime creator. When you are Self-realized, that is, when your spirit is made real within reality, you become God personified. When you realize the potential of your spirit is infinite, you understand that all that remains is for you to choose something from that infinity to experience joyfully. As you choose more, as you choose differently, you expand and grow outward into infinity. This is not a process of ascension, but a process of self-choosing. Accept the moment of the creation of now. Your purpose is choice, to choose. To choose here and now, accept it and experience it joy-fully. As the human race evolves joyfully along the path of love and wisdom, spirit, or Self, becomes another step closer, which enables growth between both worlds.

This is the state of Self-becoming. That is, you continuously strive to discover and fulfil your most loving potential within each moment of now. Only love can unlock the doors to the true potential of humanities original purpose and design. However, it takes wisdom and acceptance in knowing that perfection can never truly be reached in physical state, since potential is infinite, the process itself becomes your ultimate joy. So it can be said, joy is your ultimate purpose. There is no higher joy than the joy of Self made manifest. You understand the simple pleasures of this joyful journey become your grandest fulfilment and achievement. It is not the big things you presume to be of great importance, but the little things, for these are what define you as a being. You will never, ever, lose this individual identity you know as ‘I’, even if you return to source.


Do you have any advice on how to best maintain present moment awareness and not get caught up in the minds reactions and storybuilding from reactions to events of the past and fear of things that could happen in the future?

Learn and understand The key to a joyful life:




The Now moment
Freedom from the past and expectations for the future. You are not choosing life if you are not living in the present. Life is the present. Be everpresent.

Acceptance
Accept the imperfections of yourself, the world and everyone in it. Accept all things as a process, not as an end result. There is no end result, for there is no end to the present.

Love
Find love for that which you have come to accept. This must always begin with yourself. For if you are not open to receive love, then you are not in abundance to share it. Love is the highest conduit for information there is; the more love you hold, more information and energy you connect to.

Wisdom
Wisdom is that which you already know as a sentient being, and cannot be given or taught.
Creates purpose, perspective and perception. Wisdom comes from the connection to spirit.

Intention
Determines direction, destiny and deed. If intentions are both wise and loving, true Self is realized and made manifest. Growth is attained through loving intention. The end result of intention is insignificant, for there is no end, only the process.

Experience
Experiences come from the seeds of intention, both of yours, and others. Facilitates growth. Experiences reflect the intentions of all beings. Learn to observe the connection to facilitate peace, joy and wellbeing.

Knowledge
Knowledge is that which is learnt, taught or created.
Creates belief, outlook and values.

Joy
Understanding and applying these keys will facilitate joy.
Joy will always be found in the now moment, hence, a process, not an end result.


You might also remind yourself on my words on procrastination:
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...on#p ost35244

Lastly, you have spoke in other posts about when we cross over in death that we carry the same persona that we acquired/built during our last soul journey on Earth, until we eventually learn to remember who we truly are and are reunited with our soul groups and our true spriritual being. How much of an influence is our current state of mind at the time of passing? Some days, or even hours of the day, I am in a better state of mind than others. If I pass suddenly and have a state of mind that is angry or fearful (something not loving and at peace with my self and the world) does that state become the state of consciousness I have to deal with in the transition? or is it a more of an average of my state of self becoming up to the point of death?

It is the state of ones beliefs and state of intentions, of thought and of feeling we speak of. It is these things which cause the amnesia of your spirit identity. As your beliefs, intentions, thoughts and feelings begin to lose their attachment to your physical body and the physical life you left behind, you no longer become infected by their dense hypnotic persuasion.

If your state of mind is one of intense anger, fear, shock or some other negative state upon your passing, this can certainly have an effect on your transition. What your experience shall be like in handling these states during your transition will differ to everyone else’s depending on your actual character and self-awareness. Someone with a strong character and good awareness of their spirituality will recover very quickly from these negative influences and will brush them off quite easily. However, someone who perceives themselves to be a simple body of flesh, and nothing more, will often struggle for long periods of time after their passing to overcome these negative feelings. It is a matter of acceptance. Some individuals, in their proud human persona will simply not accept they are immortal and/or have a divine spirit and will not be able to perceive their deceased loved ones, even if these loved ones wanted to be seen.

For many on this forum, it will be the case that what their personality is, and what their character is like, as well as their habits and stubbornness, will be what they perceive themselves as upon their passing.

-Sparrow
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Namaste,

I write this post taking risks, for example that you tell me that I misunderstood your message!

The tree is very beautiful. A jewel. Its message is not so easy to carry out, depending on personal circumstances and experience. In my case, bonds with the past are difficult to cut, and it is reasonable as I had a bright past, full of happiness and joy. Even so, I agree that we only have an everpresent. I also agree that we should try to live the "now" with joy.

In my view the concept of end result always exists. When you set an intention you necessarily think of an end result. In my view there is no intention-setting without a representation of an end result, and of its achievement, even though it may be incremental. It implies acceptance of our imperfections, and it is a true relief. I fully share that self-development should be seen as an incremental process.

It is interesting to consider how everyday life could affect the pace of our self-development. Depending on your circumstances you may be very conscious about what to do, and what do you want, but you need to survive in the jungle and such survival demands you to put the energy on other places. It distracts you from things you would like to do. I do not mind to become a dark and unloving being because you have an intention, but maybe to experience an undesired leak of your energy.

Concerning procrastination, well... I can less than agree all what you wrote.

One last thought about people's stubbornness. From a semantic point of view we are talking of those who know what they should do and even so persist without doing it, right? I think that it does not related to knowledge as you define it.

I am not sure about the concept, WYWWYG [what you want is what you get], there could be inner difficulties very hard to be overcome, related to wisdom, which make people stubborn. Many times is not a matter of knowing what to do, rather, it is a matter of how to make changes and how walk the path to go from one state to another. Maybe a matter of wisdom, and it could be hard to be changed. I am afraid of seeming fatalist with this specific elaboration.

I appreciate very much your post as a food of mind and of loving feelings, and not less, the time and efforts you devote to write and draw.

When you read this post, it will be in my past but at the same time it will be your present, but my loving intention with this exchange of ideas and feelings will be still present.

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