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16-03-2012, 05:46 PM
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NDE are more then likely Lucid Dreams
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16-03-2012, 07:45 PM
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This is important research. Thanks for sharing the article.
eudaimonia,
Mark
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16-03-2012, 07:51 PM
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Because an experience correlates to a particular brain state doesn't mean it is CAUSED by a particular brain state. I experience a particular brain state when I see a red rose. That doesn't make the rose a mere produce of my imagination.
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16-03-2012, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Reverend Keith
Because an experience correlates to a particular brain state doesn't mean it is CAUSED by a particular brain state. I experience a particular brain state when I see a red rose. That doesn't make the rose a mere produce of my imagination.
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Correlation in this case weakens the case for supernaturally caused NDEs considerably, even if it doesn't completely prove that NDEs are lucid dreams.
eudaimonia,
Mark
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16-03-2012, 08:17 PM
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I don't actually think so.
In the first place, the research indicated that the participants were basically conditioned to incubate a particular experience - one that is all too much a part of most people's expectations at this point. On the other hand, the thing that was striking about Raymond Moody's original work - long before people had heard of light and tunnels - was that the experiences had so many common elements across demographic lines, and weren't really what the people who reported them were expecting.
Secondly, one not uncommon feature of NDE's is the perception of things that would not have been visible or perceptable to the person in their physical body. There are a number of examples collected here: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research11.html
In one of the cases mentioned (Pam Reynolds) the body had been chilled to about 60 degrees and all blood drained from the head (for brain surgery) , leaving the brain basically flat-lined. Yet pam's experience included detailed recollections of the surgery and some of the unique tools used.
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16-03-2012, 08:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Keith
I don't actually think so.
In the first place, the research indicated that the participants were basically conditioned to incubate a particular experience - one that is all too much a part of most people's expectations at this point. On the other hand, the thing that was striking about Raymond Moody's original work - long before people had heard of light and tunnels - was that the experiences had so many common elements across demographic lines, and weren't really what the people who reported them were expecting.
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Just like people who have NDE have experienced through culture?
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19-03-2012, 09:17 PM
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bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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20-03-2012, 02:46 AM
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If you read many personal accounts of lucid dreams and many NDE true stories you'll find very little similarity.
Xan
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20-03-2012, 04:16 AM
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The conclusions sound kind of ridiculous. Am I misinterpreting the article? It sounds like they are saying that the fact that I can experience a certain scenario in a lucid dream, indicates that every experience of that scenario is also lucid dreaming?
I once talked to my grandmother in a lucid dream, ergo I have never talked to her in real life?
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