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Old 02-05-2018, 09:27 PM
hesitant_man hesitant_man is offline
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Light tunnel deception theory

Hi,

As you may know, my main objective is to break the reincarnation cycle and not coming here anymore.

After doing some research, I have found an interesting theory which I would like to share with you and discuss it if you want.

I have read that the tunnel of light after death is a trap created by the Archons, entities which are fed by our fear, pain and negative emtions.

So, to do this, these entities create some illusions, such as meeting relatives or loved ones, or some religious masters (Jesus, Buddha....), or even meeting some spirit guides.
This theory claim that some spirit guides take part in this deception, and try to convince you to go into the light, and then repeat this cycle.

According to this, in order to avoid this light, we should go in the opposite direction and then seek for some "holes" within a grid to escape and then travel to Home (just thinking about it would work).

Another point to say is that all this Karma and "life review" is not turthful and it just plays part of the deception. And when we reincarnate here we negotiate some kind of contract with some clauses, the type of life, the positive and negative experiences and so on.

That was this theory exposed. Feel free to share your thoughts or ask nay question if you want, and I will answer it if I can.
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Old 02-05-2018, 11:13 PM
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First of all, the Archons are not there any longer, some of their handy work still is. (in the process of being dismantled)
Without going into details how the incarnation cycle works, how it was meant to work and to what degree it was manipulated by the archons, I will rather make a statement what the most effective way is to get out of this cycle. Even so it was manipulated by the dark, it is still the most effective way to move from the lower third density to the fifth density. There is no shortcut to the way home. Just to give some idea and make a comparison in a way we can understand, without the incarnation cycle it can take eons to move from the lower third to the fifth density, were in the cycle it might take 40 to 50 thousand years.
There is no short cut home, increase your vibration, at least to the upper fourth density and you will pop through to the fifth density and you are out of any incarnation cycle. And by the way, if you go trough the tunnel into the astral realm, which by the way never was controlled by the archons, you can opt out of any incarnation. Of cause you can stay the earth realm and choose the dark path. An other option.
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Old 02-05-2018, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hesitant_man
Hi,

As you may know, my main objective is to break the reincarnation cycle and not coming here anymore.

After doing some research, I have found an interesting theory which I would like to share with you and discuss it if you want.

I have read that the tunnel of light after death is a trap created by the Archons, entities which are fed by our fear, pain and negative emtions.

So, to do this, these entities create some illusions, such as meeting relatives or loved ones, or some religious masters (Jesus, Buddha....), or even meeting some spirit guides.
This theory claim that some spirit guides take part in this deception, and try to convince you to go into the light, and then repeat this cycle.

According to this, in order to avoid this light, we should go in the opposite direction and then seek for some "holes" within a grid to escape and then travel to Home (just thinking about it would work).

Another point to say is that all this Karma and "life review" is not turthful and it just plays part of the deception. And when we reincarnate here we negotiate some kind of contract with some clauses, the type of life, the positive and negative experiences and so on.

That was this theory exposed. Feel free to share your thoughts or ask nay question if you want, and I will answer it if I can.

Here's what I believe ...

What you want now will have no weight in the decision about more reincarnations for you.

All the scaremongering theories are incorrect.

What you decide to do when you'll pass on won't have any bearing on what'll happen to your soul, so relax!

We are here to learn to master our thoughts, and emotions, in order to be able to create our reality in a thought responsive environment, as the afterlife is. We should practice consciously creating reality here too!
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Old 03-05-2018, 06:56 AM
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I believe that the tunnel of light which is often referred to begins at our own third eye;
it is not external to us rather it is a part of us. The third eye, or brow chakra, allows us
to see into the spiritual realm and we enter that portal when we leave our physical body.

As far as other beings are concerned, we see what we have conditioned, or nurtured,
ourselves to see. A devote Buddhist will see Buddha, a devote Christian will see Christ,
and so forth. Some will see their guru who they had here on earth. But if you are clear,
you just might see a being radiating light and that being will have no features.

I have spoken to lots of folks who have had out of body experiences, and I have had many myself;
one person told me while going down that tunnel he saw a being radiating love and light, that had
several heads, one head looked like Christ, another head was like Krishna, and another head had
features similar to the guru he had here on Earth. We see what we are capable of seeing.

As far as reincarnation is concerned, it is my belief that reincarnation is an illusion; a passing dream
state just like life is here on Earth. As long as we have any attachment to things here on Earth,
including the concepts which we are talking about here, those attachments have the propensity to
pull us back into another incarnation. In my opinion, reincarnation is about balance.

The universe is in a constant state of homeostasis, this is evident in our own physical body,
a constant state of seeking balance. Karma and reincarnation are not good or bad, they are
just balancing mechanisms, or some say paying debts owed. To escape the wheel of birth and
death we have to completely and absolutely let go, be crystal clear and transparent in our being.
Filled with unconditional love, with no fear and no I’m not afraid concepts or mental constructs.

As the Third Chinese Patriarch says, “the way is for those who have no preferences.”
But how can you have no preferences when you prefer to go home and not reincarnate anymore?
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Old 03-05-2018, 10:01 PM
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First of all, I would like to thank you for your responses in this thread

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Originally Posted by Rah nam
First of all, the Archons are not there any longer, some of their handy work still is. (in the process of being dismantled)

May I ask how do you know this? I wish you were right, so I would be grateful if you could provide more info about this.

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Originally Posted by Rah nam
Without going into details how the incarnation cycle works, how it was meant to work and to what degree it was manipulated by the archons, I will rather make a statement what the most effective way is to get out of this cycle. Even so it was manipulated by the dark, it is still the most effective way to move from the lower third density to the fifth density. There is no shortcut to the way home. Just to give some idea and make a comparison in a way we can understand, without the incarnation cycle it can take eons to move from the lower third to the fifth density, were in the cycle it might take 40 to 50 thousand years.
There is no short cut home, increase your vibration, at least to the upper fourth density and you will pop through to the fifth density and you are out of any incarnation cycle. And by the way, if you go trough the tunnel into the astral realm, which by the way never was controlled by the archons, you can opt out of any incarnation. Of cause you can stay the earth realm and choose the dark path. An other option.

Interesting what you say, but I have been thinking quite about it: What kind of benefit could we get in this world unfair and with suffering? I mean, the corruption is everywhere, most of people only care about themselves, destroy the nature and so on.
It doesn't make any sense, I just would like to be quite without all these negative things, a peaceful world.
That's why I want to break the cycle, and I take the theory exposed as a possibility. I want the best for me and for everyone, so if this theory is true and I can free myself, I would try to free as many souls as possible. If this theory is wrong, I suppose that I would need to think another way.

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Here's what I believe ...

What you want now will have no weight in the decision about more reincarnations for you.

All the scaremongering theories are incorrect.

What you decide to do when you'll pass on won't have any bearing on what'll happen to your soul, so relax!

We are here to learn to master our thoughts, and emotions, in order to be able to create our reality in a thought responsive environment, as the afterlife is. We should practice consciously creating reality here too!

I really want to know as much as I can, but as I research I get the idea that I know much less that I would like to. There are many theories about afterlife, and I know that spirituality is the right way. But even with this, there are many subtheories within the spirituality.
I think I haven't had any experience yet. For example, I tried to talk to my Higher Self watching some videos on Youtube, but I am still not sure if I really talked to it or it was made up from me.
On the other hand, I have found many feathers lately, more than before, so these kind of events make me think about it.
And because I want to learn more about spiritualty and afterlife, I am open to hear any theory, and then just decide according to my investigations.

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I believe that the tunnel of light which is often referred to begins at our own third eye;
it is not external to us rather it is a part of us. The third eye, or brow chakra, allows us
to see into the spiritual realm and we enter that portal when we leave our physical body.

As far as other beings are concerned, we see what we have conditioned, or nurtured,
ourselves to see. A devote Buddhist will see Buddha, a devote Christian will see Christ,
and so forth. Some will see their guru who they had here on earth. But if you are clear,
you just might see a being radiating light and that being will have no features.

I have spoken to lots of folks who have had out of body experiences, and I have had many myself;
one person told me while going down that tunnel he saw a being radiating love and light, that had
several heads, one head looked like Christ, another head was like Krishna, and another head had
features similar to the guru he had here on Earth. We see what we are capable of seeing.

And what happen if we open our third eye before dying, would we be able to see the tunnel anyway? Or just watch and contact with beings from the other side?

As you say, I think the same as you, whoever is waiting in the tunnel is product from our mind, some people see Jesus, others Buddha, or others other kind of person.


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As far as reincarnation is concerned, it is my belief that reincarnation is an illusion; a passing dream
state just like life is here on Earth. As long as we have any attachment to things here on Earth,
including the concepts which we are talking about here, those attachments have the propensity to
pull us back into another incarnation. In my opinion, reincarnation is about balance.

When you say "attachment", you mean some kind of "unfinished business"? Some mission to accomplish or action to do?

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Originally Posted by Starman
The universe is in a constant state of homeostasis, this is evident in our own physical body,
a constant state of seeking balance. Karma and reincarnation are not good or bad, they are
just balancing mechanisms, or some say paying debts owed. To escape the wheel of birth and
death we have to completely and absolutely let go, be crystal clear and transparent in our being.
Filled with unconditional love, with no fear and no Im not afraid concepts or mental constructs.

As the Third Chinese Patriarch says, the way is for those who have no preferences.
But how can you have no preferences when you prefer to go home and not reincarnate anymore?

And how can one keep Karma balanced? It is really difficult to do this, in one life one can make any good or evil action, such as simple as killing a bug or giving a coin to a beggar. The only way (and it is very difficult to do this) would be to be absolutely isolated from everything, so with this one would not be exposed for any kind of karma (nor good, nor bad).

Is there any way to just say "I believe that I don't have any karma debt pending" or something like this and then being free?
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Old 04-05-2018, 05:14 AM
Shivani Devi Shivani Devi is offline
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From the scientific point of view, to which I ascribe, the 'tunnel of light' is nothing more than the birth canal and those who see it at the moment of death are recalling their own birth experience under the influence of an oxygen starved brain.

If you want the 'tunnel of light' debunked, that's the best way to start...And you don't even need to get 'aliens' involved either, because all those creatures with big eyes and heads are only memories of doctors and others when a baby is only a few days old and their eyesight hasn't developed yet to be able to discern facial features.

I'll see you in Moksha.
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Old 04-05-2018, 06:32 AM
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I saw no tunnel/light when I had my NDE. I don't remember having a "choice" of where I could or should go. But I've learned, so what? The way I see it, when consciousness is free of the ego, that is when we begin to see "the (true) light". However, consciousness may still "suffers' the impact of the ego for a bit. Consciousness can only go one way when the body (along with it's ego) dies. Who, what, could have so much power it could possibly deceive at that point? What we perceive (tunnels with lights, hell, darkness, etc.) are only effects of what the ego has imprinted on consciousness...until consciousness fully "wakes up". That's my theory.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:36 PM
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A few people speak of a tunnel of light from my own Experiences as I have had three NDE. I have never seen a tunnel,
A spirit guide would not deceive you in any way.
I am a Medium I speak to spirit I was born with my gift my guide has been with me since birth and I have got total trust in him.
I am also a spiritualist so I follow my own path .

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Old 05-05-2018, 12:31 AM
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From the scientific point of view, to which I ascribe, the 'tunnel of light' is nothing more than the birth canal and those who see it at the moment of death are recalling their own birth experience under the influence of an oxygen starved brain.

If you want the 'tunnel of light' debunked, that's the best way to start...And you don't even need to get 'aliens' involved either, because all those creatures with big eyes and heads are only memories of doctors and others when a baby is only a few days old and their eyesight hasn't developed yet to be able to discern facial features.

I'll see you in Moksha.
This seems to become an eye opening day for me ... maybe.

Your explanations are are almost shockingly unexpected, and show how far our imagination can go in support of our beliefs. Who can prove you wrong?

I've just heard on tv another unexpected explanation: John Kennedy was assassinated by a shadow group because he was on the verge of sharing with the Russians that US was in contact with extraterrestrials.

Each one of us creates their own reality from their beliefs. That's why NDE experiences can be so different, because in altered states of consciousness we create our reality too, only instantaneously.

The agnostics are onto something.
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Old 05-05-2018, 01:49 AM
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This seems to become an eye opening day for me ... maybe.

Your explanations are are almost shockingly unexpected, and show how far our imagination can go in support of our beliefs. Who can prove you wrong?

I've just heard on tv another unexpected explanation: John Kennedy was assassinated by a shadow group because he was on the verge of sharing with the Russians that US was in contact with extraterrestrials.

Each one of us creates their own reality from their beliefs. That's why NDE experiences can be so different, because in altered states of consciousness we create our reality too, only instantaneously.

The agnostics are onto something.
Precisely.

It is called 'Occam's Razor' whereby the most plausible explanation is usually also the most correct one.

I have my own beliefs, but I am also a creature of pure logic and reason. I'm also a theist, because I understand that ascribing to the notion of a Divine Being is also logical and even scientific.

I look into the field of quantum mechanics to find my answers and as far as life after death goes, I like the theory of Biocentrism, put forward by Robert Lanza.

As for the Kennedy Assassination, I still go by the original explanation, that the communists hired a hitman in retaliation for the Bay of Pigs fiasco... because using 'Occam's Razor', it makes more sense logically than he was about to tell Russia that the US has been in contact with aliens. The former explanation is a known quantity, while the latter is an unknown one..and yes, I do believe in extraterrestrial beings and in life after death, but not in the way most people describe it to be.
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