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Old 08-02-2018, 06:08 PM
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There is more tightly wound mortal coils around here then anywhere. Damn ironic. Enjoy.
Speaking of 'tightly' vs. 'loosely' vs. not 'wound up' at all (as in a voilin string being around its 'peg(s)' ... it strikes me that IF there was no 'strung out' 'tension' in between 'separate' 'end points', there would be no possibility of there being any muse-ical sound, "Om" included, at all!

Maybe I am misreading your implications swampgrl, but methinks you are image-in-natively extrapolating the idea of non-'duallity' beyond all reasonable possibility, or even if it were possible, beyond all 'desirability', as though it were some kind of ideal (which you apparently 'aspire' to).
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Old 08-02-2018, 06:29 PM
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Just discussion would be good and with some it is possible without all the personal stuff. .

Everybody brings their personal stuff to the discussion. Always.
The way I read these threads swampgrl is pointing to exactly THAT.

Only when we think we're beyond the personal is when the words start to itch.

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Old 08-02-2018, 10:32 PM
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Speaking of 'tightly' vs. 'loosely' vs. not 'wound up' at all (as in a voilin string being around its 'peg(s)' ... it strikes me that IF there was no 'strung out' 'tension' in between 'separate' 'end points', there would be no possibility of there being any muse-ical sound, "Om" included, at all!

Maybe I am misreading your implications swampgrl, but methinks you are image-in-natively extrapolating the idea of non-'duallity' beyond all reasonable possibility, or even if it were possible, beyond all 'desirability', as though it were some kind of ideal (which you apparently 'aspire' to).

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Old 08-02-2018, 11:27 PM
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Everybody brings their personal stuff to the discussion. Always.
The way I read these threads swampgrl is pointing to exactly THAT.

Only when we think we're beyond the personal is when the words start to itch.

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What I was referring to by personal is the attempt to dismantle defenses by feed back about a person you know nothing about, cant sit down and talk with in a relationship of trust. This space is far from that. When people get personal here its more to do with invalidating a point of view they disagree with by turning on those expressing it, with the effect of ending the discussion if there ever was one. Best avoided. When it occurs dont get involved unless you want this forum to become a slagging match.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:22 AM
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I thought what is called 'the direct approach' is the meditation Ramana called 'self inquiry'.

What is usually meant by the direct approach is a response to seekers that points to all states being Oneness, including whatever state the seeker is already in, so nothing to be done because whatever is done will not be more or less Oneness than that which already is the case.

The problem can arise however that seekers find elements of the state they are in, and what they see in the world around them, unacceptable, so have difficulty regarding those elements as Oneness manifest. Eventually there is submission, as the inevitability that there is no alternative proposition prevails, and all is gathered in as Oneness manifest and the feeling of disconnection ends, even from those difficult elements.
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Old 09-02-2018, 04:31 AM
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What is usually meant by the direct approach is a response to seekers that points to all states being Oneness, including whatever state the seeker is already in, so nothing to be done because whatever is done will not be more or less Oneness than that which already is the case.

Sometimes I think people just throw the word 'Oneness' in there, sort of like it's the right answer, but to me it doesn't mean anything.

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The problem can arise however that seekers find elements of the state they are in, and what they see in the world around them, unacceptable, so have difficulty regarding those elements as Oneness manifest. Eventually there is submission, as the inevitability that there is no alternative proposition prevails, and all is gathered in as Oneness manifest and the feeling of disconnection ends, even from those difficult elements.
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:23 PM
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Everybody brings their personal stuff to the discussion. Always.
Yes, and (IMO) 'personal' views (etc.) is how THAT which IS 'sees' and chooses to 'live'

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The way I read these threads swampgrl is pointing to exactly THAT.
Yes, I 'see' that THAT is what she is doing, as well. My 'point' however was that 'pointing' to THAT is not - i.e. it 'finesses' - actually relating to their "personal stuff". Which 'finessing', I happen to 'see' as avoiding genuine engagement (with their "personal stuff", as though the THAT which expresses ITSELF through them were the ONLY thing that is "important".

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Only when we think we're beyond the personal is when the words start to itch.
Only? I don't at all 'get' this. I happen to think that the only way to really (as opposed to merely 'solipsistically") relate to THAT which IS is via relating to its 'itchy' (in many cases at least) re-presentatives.

Different strokes for different folks, of course. I just wanted to question the 'logic' of her choices by way of expressing what does and doesn't make 'sense' to me.
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Old 10-02-2018, 01:33 AM
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Sometimes I think people just throw the word 'Oneness' in there, sort of like it's the right answer, but to me it doesn't mean anything.

When I use the term it is not meant to indicate some sort of entity but rather that, despite the very convincing appearance of difference, All is One.
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Old 10-02-2018, 04:56 AM
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The feeling of not being connected is just that, a feeling, we are all connected, in fact there is really no connection, that would be duality, there is only One and not even that.
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Old 10-02-2018, 05:20 AM
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Oh, who am I kidding, it's a forest, everywhere is the bathroom!
Unfortunately this is the situation and the attitude our Modern World has towards Environment/Nature.

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