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Old 04-02-2018, 11:11 AM
Iamit Iamit is offline
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Of course. The ocean presents as ignorance and delusion too - but in the seeing of that, ignorance may start to diminish.

To apply the labels ignorant or deluded to seekers would be to add yet further burdens, rather than be clear that they are already fully connected to what they seek (including thier feeling of disconnection) and that even not realizing that is not disconnected.

Then, starting from that positive, one can consider thier response that they do not feel it, until all is gathered in.
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Old 04-02-2018, 01:15 PM
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To apply the labels ignorant or deluded to seekers would be to add yet further burdens, rather than be clear that they are already fully connected to what they seek (including thier feeling of disconnection) and that even not realizing that is not disconnected.

Then, starting from that positive, one can consider thier response that they do not feel it, until all is gathered in.

A seeker is, by default, ignorant of their true nature. Ignorant - in this usage - simply means unaware. It’s a description.

If they don’t know that they are ‘fully connected’ then they are ignorant of that fact… until they are not.
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Old 04-02-2018, 11:12 PM
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A seeker is, by default, ignorant of their true nature. Ignorant - in this usage - simply means unaware. It’s a description.

If they don’t know that they are ‘fully connected’ then they are ignorant of that fact… until they are not.

Yes.

The question arises however about how movement from feeling disconnected to connected occurs and is facilitated. This will vary from seeker to seeker but if the position that disconnection is impossible is the basis then to communicate that clearly from the start at least removes the idea that there is something lacking in terms of connection. One can then consider what stands in the way of ending the feeling of disconnection whilst being clear that that feeling is not disconnected.
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Old 01-03-2018, 08:37 PM
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From the linked-to page:
Blind Men and the Elephant – Theological Truth

When it comes to the moral of the Blind Men and the Elephant, it seems that today’s philosophers end their agenda too quickly. Doesn’t the picture of the blind men and the elephant also point to something bigger -- The elephant? Indeed, each blind man has a limited perspective on the objective truth, but that doesn’t mean objective truth isn’t there. In fact, truth isn’t relative at all… It’s there to discover in all its totality. In theology, just because we have limited access to Truth, that doesn’t mean any and all versions of Truth are equally valid. Actually, if we know the Whole Elephant is out there, shouldn’t this drive us to open our eyes wider and seek every opportunity to experience more of Him?
From what I once wrote:
If you wish to be more than just a bouncing ball, pointlessly ricocheting off and between others around you; if your life is to amount to more than a ripple that simply dissipates as it traverses space and time—it is crucial that you understand and appropriately utilize the opportunity inherent in being an aspect of vibrant energy within a much greater, infinitely creative flow of energetic vibration. Your life is a part of all Life, much the way the move*ment of a molecule in its membrane is an integral component of a drum’s total excitation. What you know as Life‑on‑Earth is the conjoint response of our global ‘drumhead’ to a cosmic ‘drumbeat’, partly a function of activity stemming from the sun itself and partly a function of planetary movements. Like a tuning fork, but with much greater complexity because of the tremendous multiplicity and mutuality of our involve*ment, we all ‘vibrate’ together in reflexive co‑motion.
How drop-in-the-oceanic is that?

From the treatise I am currently composing:
Beware, however, as in the case of any purely mechanical analogy, this too may be misleading: The ‘drummer’ in our case is actually the [added phrase: ocean-wave 'driving' wind of] Spirit which lives in and animates everything and everyone everywhere everywhen at once. It’s not like our sun and/or our planetary configurations are especially causal, in other words. Every aspect of Being, including ‘you’, is an influenced and influential, hence functionally integral, aspect of The Flow* of Creativity,* without exception.

* Note: these asterisked words reference the same features of Life that Jesus metaphorically alluded to as ‘the Son’ and ‘the Father’, which many also think and speak of as Christ and God, respectively, just in more action-descriptive terms I think.
How cosmic(ally)-conscious is that?

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