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Old 19-01-2018, 05:31 PM
Jyotir Jyotir is offline
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Hi 7L,

Thanks for the invite. Have not really been following this thread but upon a cursory skimming, would offer a post of mine from another thread that might have some connection with this thread:


~ J
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Old 19-01-2018, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorelyen
Nice when you can just be with someone in harmony.

Good afternoon Lorelyen

Unspoken and no thought required
Have fun and enjoy
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Old 19-01-2018, 06:24 PM
7luminaries 7luminaries is offline
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Jyotir -- very nice response indeed and thank you for the link...and it is broadly addressing the higher level issue of the need to reclaim our deepest archetypes to serve as a lamp on the path to our enlightenment in this now moment

I quoted you so that others may also take a read....(with emphasis added).

Originally Posted by Jyotir
Hi UntoldStories,

Life, and especially spiritual life is about the unique journey of each individual in eventually surrendering to God’s Will - not ‘fitting in’ to human convention, desire, and ignorance. This means that matter and life energy become the fully conscious instrument of Spirit in the physical; the unconditional divinization of a conditional ignorance.

Spirit and matter are ultimately one and the same, but in extreme differentiations that must be reconciled and unified in a dynamic truth consciousness which is the entire purpose of the Cosmic Creation - not a divided mutual exclusion of perverse choice by distorted emphasis. Historically that has been the case as a simple matter of emphasizing one dominant aspect or the other for the purpose of a thorough development, but this is now changing.

Neither are complete - the spiritual emphasis that ignores or excludes the physical which leads to a joyless warped asceticism and poverty, or the material emphasis that excludes the spiritual and perpetuates by re-formation, ‘solutions’ and 'wealth' that are merely re-formations of the same ignorance, the same problems leading to other kinds of poverty, destruction and suffering.

One transforms self but leaves the world and leaves the world a mess.

The other transforms the world (not necessarily in positive ways) but leaves the self a mess, and arguably therefore the world as well.

Neither are sufficient by themselves, and this is the great revelation of our time. This phenomenon is what a large part of your dilemma consists, according to what you have written.

Western and Eastern are not inherently antithetical, but emphasize the 2 major aspects of existence - the material and the spiritual. These are not mutually exclusive because each is actually dependent on the other - as they are ultimately one and the same (Spirit is matter at its highest and matter is Spirit at its lowest) - and for full manifestation they must become universally integrated, which is the urgent need right now in our globalizing world. The opportunity represented by the possibility of this integration is of monumental import to the evolution of the entire planet and all its inhabitants.

One of the critical aspects is that the East has to integrate the material and commercial without disavowing and forsaking the valuable lessons it has developed over the centuries,

and the West has to leverage its material efficiency into an assiduous pursuit of genuine wisdom - both difficult charges even if consciously recognized.

Suggest reading Sri Aurobindo, about his Integral Yoga.
Especially recommended: ‘The Life Divine', and ‘The Synthesis of Yoga’.

~ J

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Bound by conventions, people tend to reach for what is easy.

Here we must be unafraid of what is difficult.

For all living beings in nature must unfold in their particular way

and become themselves despite all opposition.

-- Rainer Maria Rilke
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Old 24-01-2018, 11:37 AM
Sonolil Sonolil is offline
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Gee mom, people really like talking about you.

I still think you're a **** so stop smiling at me.
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Old 24-01-2018, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonolil
Gee mom, people really like talking about you.

I still think you're a **** so stop smiling at me.
Heavy duty, Sonolil(ith?), as in heavy 'duty'.

From Ch.3 of The Bhagavad Gita (there's a lot more in there, of course): "Therefore do thy duty perfectly, without care for the results, for he who does his duty disinterestedly attains the Supreme. King Janaka and others attained perfection through action alone. Even for the sake of enlightening the world, it is thy duty to act."
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