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Old 10-01-2018, 03:02 AM
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Are WORDS basically dualistic?

To me, describing nonduality with words is like unintentionally cloaking it with duality on some level (if not all levels).

Is discussion regarding nonduality akin to discussion on the complexities of a wardrobe?

Speaking of cloaks, one wears a cloak, one is not a cloak. Or as Philippe said in the movie The Man in the Iron Mask, "I wear the mask, it does not wear me."

So as a writer I recognize the irony of posting this but for some reason I find value in it.

It goes without saying that I welcome all other takes on this.

Btw, that is a nice shirt you're wearing!

Side Bar: It is as if words convey that nonduality is nonexistent/ unreal and yet it is all that exists.
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Old 10-01-2018, 04:03 AM
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To me, describing nonduality with words is like unintentionally cloaking it with duality on some level (if not all levels).

Is discussion regarding nonduality akin to discussion on the complexities of a wardrobe?

Speaking of cloaks, one wears a cloak, one is not a cloak. Or as Philippe said in the movie The Man in the Iron Mask, "I wear the mask, it does not wear me."

So as a writer I recognize the irony of posting this but for some reason I find value in it.

It goes without saying that I welcome all other takes on this.

Btw, that is a nice shirt you're wearing!

Side Bar: It is as if words convey that nonduality is nonexistent/ unreal and yet it is all that exists.

It seems that we use words to express thoughts and feelings. With good will it goes back and forth in the attempt to understand each other.

It happens here in duality but that is not a reason to regard the attempt as invalid......is it?
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Old 10-01-2018, 04:44 AM
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To me, describing nonduality with words is like unintentionally cloaking it with duality on some level (if not all levels).

Of course it is ironic, but as this is a forum, words are mostly what we have to use in this medium
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Old 10-01-2018, 04:58 AM
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It seems that we use words to express thoughts and feelings. With good will it goes back and forth in the attempt to understand each other.

It happens here in duality but that is not a reason to regard the attempt as invalid......is it?

As a writer on the subject I have to say no, it is not invalid. But is there a position where it is?

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Of course it is ironic, but as this is a forum, words are mostly what we have to use in this medium

I am reminded of that many times, blossomingtree, as I put mind to thought, pen to paper.

If nonduality were two, its language would be heart-to-heart and beyond all logic.

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Old 10-01-2018, 05:09 AM
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I am reminded of that many times, blossomingtree, as I put mind to thought, pen to paper.

If nonduality were two, its language would be heart-to-heart and beyond all logic.


Indeed, swampgrl. In a little stroke of synchronicity, this exact theme crossed my mind today as well - the irony of words in the non-duality forum, so thanks for posting.
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Old 10-01-2018, 06:26 AM
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As a writer on the subject I have to say no, it is not invalid. But is there a position where it is?

If the intention is simply to invalidate the other point of view then the attempt to understand each other is not the objective so in that sense can be said to be invalid.
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Old 12-01-2018, 03:42 AM
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No matter how elegant the words, duality can only hint at ________.

It cannot say or be.
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Old 12-01-2018, 06:07 AM
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All named things (i.e. ‘nonduality’) take on the appearance of things which is the realm of duality.
Just pointing out the trickery of mind/ words. Obviously ‘nonduality’ is a placeholder.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:55 AM
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To me, describing nonduality with words is like unintentionally cloaking it with duality on some level (if not all levels).

Is discussion regarding nonduality akin to discussion on the complexities of a wardrobe?

Speaking of cloaks, one wears a cloak, one is not a cloak. Or as Philippe said in the movie The Man in the Iron Mask, "I wear the mask, it does not wear me."

So as a writer I recognize the irony of posting this but for some reason I find value in it.

It goes without saying that I welcome all other takes on this.

Btw, that is a nice shirt you're wearing!

Side Bar: It is as if words convey that nonduality is nonexistent/ unreal and yet it is all that exists.

If the mask has been removed I wonder how you would see all this?
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Old 13-01-2018, 05:29 AM
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If the mask has been removed I wonder how you would see all this?

Good question.

Perhaps see it as it really isn't.

If nonduality had a humor,........ what mask?
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