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Old 02-01-2018, 03:27 PM
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Intentional self delusion

Affirmations reminded me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect
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Old 02-01-2018, 05:20 PM
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Affirmations reminded me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect
My understanding is that to change your reality you have to believe in the new reality. It isn't enough to affirm something, to wish something, or to pretend to negate your current situation.
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Old 02-01-2018, 05:42 PM
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I think that is my point, belief is very powerful.
And according to this wiki article constant exposure leads to a change In belief.

Ofc the core reality that we all live under is beyond our reach and power to change however as we are all blind to the truth as it is far beyond comprehension thus cannot believe nor disbelief enough to shift it.

Perceived reality is a different matter as it is an illusion and all that is needed to change it is to Photoshop it with our mind, overwrite the old illusion with a new one. (Easier said than done as many things in this illusion have many layers and can't be over written easily, however somethings arn't that hard to change)
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Old 07-01-2018, 07:25 PM
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Intentional self-delusion

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Affirmations reminded me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect

Universal.Vibe,

Thanks for this stimulating post....

I was intrigued by the premise of your post, entitled "Intentional self-delusion", and the Wikipedia explanation which seems to support Affirmations as the "Illusory Truth Effect". What struck me about the overall "illusory truth effect" is that the outcomes (i.e. actions) of said effect is extremely dependent upon the "incomes" (i.e. thoughts") upon which the outcome is based. Writ large, (think the "advance of civilizations"), this illusory truth effect seems to be responsible for how slow that "advance" is, wouldn't you agree?

Can there be any truer indictment of the history of mankind’s exploration and discovery of both scientific and religious Truth than to acknowledge that it is replete with examples of this or that scientist or religious prelate pontificating that this or that phenomena is impossible ???

If we understand that the words "limitations" and "grasp" are simply metaphors for "beliefs", then it becomes transparently obvious that transcending "limitations" and exceeding "grasp" is really an exercise in PERCEIVING REALITY IN ITS TRUE DIMENSIONS.....AND APPLYING THE UNDERSTANDING THEREFROM ACCORDINGLY.

The "belief" in limitation must then be seen to be SELF-IMPOSED, and if self-imposed....IT MUST BE SELF-REMOVED !!

Although I didn't read the entirety of the footnotes and supporting articles attached to the Wikipedia article you referenced, I did look for, but was very surprised to notice, that there was little notice paid to the extremely important role of the "conscious/subconscious" mind mechanism, itself, upon which so many of these "tests" were performed.

I only ask because the "conscious/subconscious mind mechanism" is the VERY MEANS by which we inculcate the "intentional self-delusion(al)" set of ideas into our children to teach them (and ourselves) "how things work around here", right? Wouldn't it be extremely important to consider that, according to equally reputable scientific studies, the subconscious cannot tell the difference between imagination and reality? (see references below).

Consider that the truth about the "reach" of our very understanding of REALITY is that each and every advancement has come about AFTER WE DISCOVERED WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRUE, AND WAITING FOR US TO DISCOVER IT....

...even when the tightly held ideas WE THOUGHT WERE TRUE were REALLY based on false information and dogma, WHICH virtually everyone believed, transmitted, and acted upon AS IF TRUE .....that is, until others, following their OWN ideas came along, who had quantifiable, repeatable, verifiable evidence based on a DIFFERENT set of ideas that turned the paradigm of established scientific or religious consensus on its head !!

Cases in point: Do the Heavens still rotate around the Earth? Not after Copernicus, Kepler, and Galileo. Are time and space separate from one another? Not after Einstein. Did you get your vaccines this year? Thanks to Pasteur you did. Is the Earth still flat? Ask Erickson, Columbus or Magellan for the answer. Do you have to study your science homework or read the scriptures of whatever faith you profess in the dark? Not after a little help from Gutenberg and Edison. You can readily see the impact of individuals with their OWN ideas helping other individuals change THEIR ideas about these things, which eventually results in the civilization changing, right?

Culture is habitual behavior of ideas as practiced by individuals, who form larger groups, and which is writ large as those groups identify themselves as parts of a civilization. As the individual’s ideas about him/her self change, so does the culture in which the individual resides, which in turn affects the groups that form the civilization. How do these ideas become part of a culture? We, as transmitters and receivers of meaning in our various languages, are taught, from childhood on, to AGREE upon the assignment of meaning. For instance the meaning of “blue” (such as "when you see such and such a color, it is blue). Once, while observing a “blue” pen in a plastic holder, it had not really struck me what a hold the habitual meaning of "blue" had on my thinking. Not only did I realize that "blue" is simply a concept taught to me from childhood on, and re-taught every time I see "blue", but I realized that the framework of assigned concepts I call my world view is similarly reengergized every waking moment. I learned in that short moment, that the concept of "blue" does not apply to the reality of the pen's existence just because I habitually recite the NAME I've been taught for one of its attributes. But I realized that's HOW CULTURE IS LEARNED.

THIS is how cultural values shape sensory experience.....

Idea by idea. Individual by individual.

So what is the cure for the disease of "intentional self-delusion"? If you consider the idea of culture and identity carefully, the ONLY difference among cultures and identity is in the beliefs upon they are built....period. More specifically, it is the beliefs which comprise each individual's SELF-IMAGE that make culture and identity what they are. Now if the culture is based on intentional self delusion, as unequivocally demonstrated in EVERY ONE OF THE CIVILIZATIONS MANKIND HAS PRODUCED, wouldn't it make sense that, instead of building civilizations upon "self-deluded" individuals....

....the individual, which is the most important part of any civilization, should be taught....and then continue to learn for him/herself, how and where to find quantifiable, repeatable, verifiable evidence of answers for themselves ??? Why?

....because each individual is a radical "case in point" AFFIRMATION of Truth learned, lived, and shared, DESPITE societal pressures to coerce subversive conformity to only a limited, authorized understanding of Who each of us really is.

Hope this and the references below, help further the catalyzing stimulus your post has ignited for us to consider....

Reference: http://www.abundance-and-happiness.c...erception.html The Power of Perception

Reference: https://www.lookwithinyou.com/realit...-and-illusion/

Reference: http://iasos.com/metaphys/bashar/

Reference: http://www.sylvianenuccio.com/47-fac...-need-to-know/

Reference: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...2&postcount=42
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“Why, that’s true! I am a perfect, unlimited gull!” Jonathan opened his eyes asking, "Where are we?” The Elder Chiang said, “We’re on some planet with a green sky and a double star for a sun.” Jonathan made a scree of delight. “IT WORKS!" “Well, of course it works, Jon,” said Chiang. “It always works, when you know what you’re doing." (and even when you don't)
http://csermelyblog.tehetsegpont.hu/...ir%C3%A1ly.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COt1n3jDqA&t=19s

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Old 07-01-2018, 09:10 PM
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Belief is subjective and inherited?
Why? Who knows? Definatly not me!

The title of this thread was more an attempt to be edgy and cool.
I think all perceived truths are based on assumptions on some level.
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Old 07-01-2018, 10:20 PM
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Universal.Vibe,

Thanks for that....

"Edgy and cool" is what keeps the fires of learning burning.

I've always liked how that feels....
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“Why, that’s true! I am a perfect, unlimited gull!” Jonathan opened his eyes asking, "Where are we?” The Elder Chiang said, “We’re on some planet with a green sky and a double star for a sun.” Jonathan made a scree of delight. “IT WORKS!" “Well, of course it works, Jon,” said Chiang. “It always works, when you know what you’re doing." (and even when you don't)
http://csermelyblog.tehetsegpont.hu/...ir%C3%A1ly.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COt1n3jDqA&t=19s
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Old 07-01-2018, 10:48 PM
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What is the 'truth' takes many guises according to the subjective belief system.

There are 'factual truths' for example, a dog cannot be a cat, 1+1=2, Washington in the capital of the USA, the Earth is round and anything which is just logical 'common sense' or 'everybody knows it' or it is a 'non-brainer'. It does not go into the realm of 'belief' because it's pretty much a fact.

Then, there are those 'truths' which are 'true' ONLY because the 'majority of people' believe it to be so, based on a set of statistics over time, based on 'people in positions of power' saying so, based on a lot of media reports and nobody can really prove it one way or the other - like Global Warming, like Russia tapped Donald Trump's phone or so-called 'comparative truths' like 'Kim Kardashian has a big butt' etc and if these truths are believed or not believed, not much is said...but the more people who 'believe it', the 'truer' it seems to be, no matter if it is 'not true' to another and then the 'other' will be called 'delusional', 'naive', 'crazy' and whatnot, to FORCE an opposing belief out of them by insidiously appealing to their sense of self...of confidence...of 'knowing what THEY know' and this insidious 'believe what I believe or else you are stupid' comes with many tricks...the very least of which being "EVERYBODY thinks the way I do and I speak for EVERYBODY when I say I am right here"...and yet, they still cannot prove anything they say as an honest, 100% fact....and that is how this whole 'belief' thing starts in the FIRST place! and so, any information that is repeated consistently enough by many people with power and money, but cannot be proven...will be believed because it is human nature to do so and people also know it! It is how propaganda is made....so this is nothing new.

There are those who will blindly believe and others who will call a 'spade a spade' if the whole thing sounds suss or cannot be proven.

As for affirmations, it's always better to 'think positive' than 'think negative' anyway, so despite anything that may or may not materialise or manifest, you'll just be a more peaceful and happier person overall waiting for it.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:26 AM
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There are 'factual truths' for example, a dog cannot be a cat, 1+1=2, Washington in the capital of the USA, the Earth is round and anything which is just logical 'common sense' or 'everybody knows it' or it is a 'non-brainer'. It does not go into the realm of 'belief' because it's pretty much a fact.

Even these are based on Assumptions.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:49 AM
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Even these are based on Assumptions.
1+1 = 2. Is that an 'assumption' or a logical deduction and rationality based upon a human numero-linguistic system?

If I really wanted to, I could say that the only Truth beyond all assumption is "Oneness" or the Absolute Reality of Brahman, but that Ultimate Truth is only experiential and cannot be known or understood through the rational mind.

However, because I am relating subjective truths on the internet, in the causal world of Maya and using the language of extensive, mutual understanding, all I can say is...so, 1+1 isn't 2 then? how did you work that one out? and if 1+1 is NOT 2, then what is it?

I could also say, 'show me a dog that is also a cat and I will believe you' or 'if Washington is not the capital of the USA, what is?' etc

Having said that, this image keeps popping in my mind, but one can clearly see it is a cat:

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Old 08-01-2018, 01:16 AM
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Actually there is no truth, just beliefs.

We live in a dualistic realm. Here there is no "oneness", and there's no use pretending otherwise.
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