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Old 14-12-2017, 04:15 AM
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I think it may well be better to be in illusion about God, that is , after all, what he has most humans in anyway. He uses illusion and confusion like a "Prison." But he keeps humans in there to protect and preserve them, not to hurt them. This is yet another way Christianity has spread.

No one is in prison by anyone. That's human are descendants of many Gods' families and their Ancestor-Gods are protecting them all the way. So that's a wrong idea of being controlled or deluded or misguided by illusion or confusion. No such thing as trapped by God Jehovah. But Christianity is using way to spread their religions is human who planned it. Not by Gods who planned for all Christians doing.

Once Jesus Christ has discussed with me how to let people know Christianity belief or understanding more precisely. That's to let more people to learn and join Christianity belief. Of course not all that people pray can be found or happenings that's because God has his limitations.
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When Jesus walked this earth his chief opposition came from two leading religious parties of the day; the Pharisees and the Sadducees. It was they who took steps to kill Jesus. Jesus did not fit into their religious views. They wanted to infiltrate the Christian church and apply their interpretation of the scriptures. They believed in God but wanted to install their traditional views. Now even today, contemporary Christianity is guilty of the error of these two factions. They have allowed much tradition into the church, and have changed some things in order to pacify their traditions. The first century church was perhaps the church in its purest form, before it was tainted by these powers.

Remember, the church is an organism, As such, it has DNA that will always produce Godly features if it is allowed to grow naturally. This can be infected if the church depends on the cultures in which they operate. If they absorb these cultures in an attempt to draw new people who have their religious cultures and doctrines in their traditions, and the church absorbs their traditions. Its not wrong to absorb new converts and respect their cultures , but when you absorb their religious views you can become in conflict with biblical principals and teachings.

(Frank Viola, pagan Christianity.)
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Old 14-12-2017, 11:28 AM
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God's knowledge is truely depending of what species of origin God they're belonging. As God Jehovah is an Angels family Gods his limitations of knowledge is only within their family abilities.

It's the same as the the Phoenix, the unicorn, the Dragon..... They have their own dharma energy abilities. And to the expansion of knowledge is only available by realization or revelation by their knowledge.

The knowledge won't come by themselves. They've to find ways to improve or learning. That's why the Gods in the universe want to steal my dharma energy so that they can be immediately go to the top of the mountain. Gods lives hundreds thousands of years already, so they're not "child standard". But it's due to my dharma energy is different from their energy. Then they can't learn anything from me. My dharma-subtlety is creation dharma abilities that's the same as Creator. And no God is creator except Creator himself. Creator dharma-subtlety is unlimited or expanding......

I like the expression, " The advancement of knowledge." That is a prophecy as well that knowledge will increase.
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I think it may well be better to be in illusion about God, that is , after all, what he has most humans in anyway. He uses illusion and confusion like a "Prison." But he keeps humans in there to protect and preserve them, not to hurt them.

Ah mate - you are ALMOST exactly correct there - but sorry to tell you - that god has no "good intentions" for us - we ARE in a SPIRITUAL PRISON here - literally the Soul is trapped inside this physical body, and the body s trapped inside this phyiscal world, and this was don to us ON PURPOSE after we found out some TRUTH about that so called god !!

Get them OUT OF HERE it bellowed BEFORE they learn this OTHER TRUTH ALSO and become GODS LIKE ME it roared !! didn't it..??...YES !!

THAT was the primary reason Folks - imprisoned trapped WITHIN the mortal worlds so that we may not LEARN OUR TRUTH from those in the Higher realms above us !! Angels taught us SPIRITUAL TRUTH of a HIGHER realm of the TRUE DIVINE (after they witnessed it directly but Yhvh forbad them to investigate) - the god Yhvh became enraged and banished us ALL down here as mortal to stop us having that legitimate Divine truth !!

The one we call "snake" in Eden - an ANGEL - gave s KNOWLDGE of "all good and evil" - and so we learned of yhvhs deception and we REBELLED against it.. Later -CHRIST came t us also, and He gave us THE EXACT SAME KNOWLEDGE that this Angel in Eden had previously tried to give us !! A TRUTH of a GREAT DIVINE SPIRIT and a realm ABOVE all othes - Our Father - EXACTLY as Christ said it !!

At first these two SEPERATE realms exist as singular, isolated and HIDDEN ....NO SOUL HERE had any idea at all about that great real.....Even BEFORE mankind was created, a Divine event happened that allowed finally, the two realms to become known each to the other...The so called god here and its angels ALL witness the TRUTH of Divinity -and all the angels here now know their "god" is NOT SUPREME !!

The god Yhvh becomes enraged - about to lose all its power and authority to this MUCH GREATER POWER they ALL have witnessed directly...To stop us learning more truth as said it makes us FULLY MORTAL and traps us here isolated from the high realms, almost entirely..

Aside from its own egoic nature, petty jealous personal desires for domination always - there is also another crucial reason why we are held SPIRIITUALY CAPTIVE here in this low realm (helL).... Simply becaue this god Yhvh is NOT THE CREATOR - is NOT the SOURCE OF CREATION - despite what it claimed, it is NOT the source at all - has NO POWER to create ANYTHING NEW - all it can do is MANIPULATE and REARRANGE the supply of "energy" - Divine Light - that was placed here to sustain it (isolate and separate from the realm of the true Divine)...

Yvh is an ANGEL Folks - not god the creator - not at all - not according to CHRIST directly.... Yvh is called forth in an accidental unintended manner - a MISTAKE - its Mother, Sophia, counterpart to Christ - She creates it ALONE without Christ to guide it - it comes forth IMPERFECT - resembles a DAGON we are told directly - Sophia is scared and ashamed of what She has done so HIDES IT HERE , creates a NEW SEPERATE REALM - THIS realm we now inhabit !!

She leaves the realm in its primal state - just an energetic cloud with the Angel Yhvh fully in control of this new domain, hidden and separate... Yhvh CAN NOT CREATE - all it can do is rearrange this cloud of energy to form material worlds, but it cannot create "more" of anything at all !!

EVERY TIME Yhvh calls forth a high ranking Angel for its own needs, it LOSES a small part of its OWN power.. Literally - yhvh SHARES this power with its own Angels and is very LIMITED in its own rights. This is why when finally MANKIND gets creaed, the "god" Yhvh first has to PURSUADE his own angels to HELP HIM CREATE US...Yhvh can NOT simply create us anew as the DIVINE do - all Yhvh can do is manipulate what is AREADY here - and look, it has already shared that power out among its own Angels..... So, when its time t create mankind, first it must gather all those angels together again, and NEEDS them to lend THEIR Will, energy, power to complete the new creation of man....

Yhvh REALISES that each time it creates, it diminishes its own power - and it knows if Souls here TRANSCEND and escape this realm then it will LOSE OUR POWER FOR EVER - and so it has ensured that we REMAIN in this mortal prison, fully captive, dominated and under control - if we escape then Yhvh is left weak and powerrless - and it really IS that simpe !!

It traps us in a physical mortal shell that cocoons the spirit and keeps it here isolated...It traps us with IGNORANCE of our energetic spiritual nature and outright forbids all forms of spiritual exploration that would lead us to the truth of the Divine !!

CHRIST alone came to give us the truth of all this - to truly SET US FREE from this false spiritual imprisonment and false spiritual domination - HE ALONE offers the WAY to attain the true Divine - and as we know, once the priesthood of Yhvh realised what Christ was about, they MURDERED HIM to stop this direct threat to their god, power and authority, didn't they..??.. YES, they dfid -for the exact reasons state here -to keep us IGNORANT dominated, controlled - like spiritual cattle - a commodity abnd resource tot jhis so called god Yhvh and nothing more !! it has NO concerns for our welfare or plight - leaves us here on the Earth and could not care less what happens or how much we endure or suffer, just as long as when we die, we REMAIN HERE to recycle that spiritual energy over and over trapped in spiritual ignorance of Self... As always, for those with ears to hear...
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Ab Orgine,

Don't bluff here and there or everywhere? Your only purpose is to spreading anti-christianity. But your posts writing so long are the same soup and that isn't the right answer for Christianity. But I'm busy now, so I'll write more in details to reply you here or at your thread.

Creator never found a religion on earth. So ..... Your imagination is no truth. If he has found a religion on earth then he'll become the king of religions and no sickness, no disasters, no sadness, no dead....... can be found on earth. So don't dream Creator as your Father,or Jesus Father......or Holy spirit..... No say you don't know Creator and no God ever know and see the Creator.Your knowledge is too little about Creator.

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Mickiel;

Ah mate - you are ALMOST exactly correct there - but sorry to tell you - that god has no "good intentions" for us - we ARE in a SPIRITUAL PRISON here - literally the Soul is trapped inside this physical body, and the body s trapped inside this phyiscal world, and this was don to us ON PURPOSE after we found out some TRUTH about that so called god !!

Get them OUT OF HERE it bellowed BEFORE they learn this OTHER TRUTH ALSO and become GODS LIKE ME it roared !! didn't it..??...YES !!

THAT was the primary reason Folks - imprisoned trapped WITHIN the mortal worlds so that we may not LEARN OUR TRUTH from those in the Higher realms above us !! Angels taught us SPIRITUAL TRUTH of a HIGHER realm of the TRUE DIVINE (after they witnessed it directly but Yhvh forbad them to investigate) - the god Yhvh became enraged and banished us ALL down here as mortal to stop us having that legitimate Divine truth !!..

The one we call "snake" in Eden - an ANGEL - gave s KNOWLDGE of "all good and evil" - and so we learned of yhvhs deception and we REBELLED against it.. Later -CHRIST came t us also, and He gave us THE EXACT SAME KNOWLEDGE that this Angel in Eden had previously tried to give us !! A TRUTH of a GREAT DIVINE SPIRIT and a realm ABOVE all othes - Our Father - EXACTLY as Christ said it !!

At first these two SEPERATE realms exist as singular, isolated and HIDDEN ....NO SOUL HERE had any idea at all about that great real.....Even BEFORE mankind was created, a Divine event happened that allowed finally, the two realms to become known each to the other...The so called god here and its angels ALL witness the TRUTH of Divinity -and all the angels here now know their "god" is NOT SUPREME !!

The god Yhvh becomes enraged - about to lose all its power and authority to this MUCH GREATER POWER they ALL have witnessed directly...To stop us learning more truth as said it makes us FULLY MORTAL and traps us here isolated from the high realms, almost entirely..

Aside from its own egoic nature, petty jealous personal desires for domination always - there is also another crucial reason why we are held SPIRIITUALY CAPTIVE here in this low realm (helL).... Simply becaue this god Yhvh is NOT THE CREATOR - is NOT the SOURCE OF CREATION - despite what it claimed, it is NOT the source at all - has NO POWER to create ANYTHING NEW - all it can do is MANIPULATE and REARRANGE the supply of "energy" - Divine Light - that was placed here to sustain it (isolate and separate from the realm of the true Divine)...

Yvh is an ANGEL Folks - not god the creator - not at all - not according to CHRIST directly.... Yvh is called forth in an accidental unintended manner - a MISTAKE - its Mother, Sophia, counterpart to Christ - She creates it ALONE without Christ to guide it - it comes forth IMPERFECT - resembles a DAGON we are told directly - Sophia is scared and ashamed of what She has done so HIDES IT HERE , creates a NEW SEPERATE REALM - THIS realm we now inhabit !!

She leaves the realm in its primal state - just an energetic cloud with the Angel Yhvh fully in control of this new domain, hidden and separate... Yhvh CAN NOT CREATE - all it can do is rearrange this cloud of energy to form material worlds, but it cannot create "more" of anything at all !!

EVERY TIME Yhvh calls forth a high ranking Angel for its own needs, it LOSES a small part of its OWN power.. Literally - yhvh SHARES this power with its own Angels and is very LIMITED in its own rights. This is why when finally MANKIND gets creaed, the "god" Yhvh first has to PURSUADE his own angels to HELP HIM CREATE US...Yhvh can NOT simply create us anew as the DIVINE do - all Yhvh can do is manipulate what is AREADY here - and look, it has already shared that power out among its own Angels..... So, when its time t create mankind, first it must gather all those angels together again, and NEEDS them to lend THEIR Will, energy, power to complete the new creation of man....

Yhvh REALISES that each time it creates, it diminishes its own power - and it knows if Souls here TRANSCEND and escape this realm then it will LOSE OUR POWER FOR EVER - and so it has ensured that we REMAIN in this mortal prison, fully captive, dominated and under control - if we escape then Yhvh is left weak and powerrless - and it really IS that simpe !!

It traps us in a physical mortal shell that cocoons the spirit and keeps it here isolated...It traps us with IGNORANCE of our energetic spiritual nature and outright forbids all forms of spiritual exploration that would lead us to the truth of the Divine !!

CHRIST alone came to give us the truth of all this - to truly SET US FREE from this false spiritual imprisonment and false spiritual domination - HE ALONE offers the WAY to attain the true Divine - and as we know, once the priesthood of Yhvh realised what Christ was about, they MURDERED HIM to stop this direct threat to their god, power and authority, didn't they..??.. YES, they dfid -for the exact reasons state here -to keep us IGNORANT dominated, controlled - like spiritual cattle - a commodity abnd resource tot jhis so called god Yhvh and nothing more !! it has NO concerns for our welfare or plight - leaves us here on the Earth and could not care less what happens or how much we endure or suffer, just as long as when we die, we REMAIN HERE to recycle that spiritual energy over and over trapped in spiritual ignorance of Self... As always, for those with ears to hear...


I agree that the soul is trapped inside the physical body , and the body is trapped inside this physical world, but I totally disagree that God has no good intentions for us. That is a distortion of the good will of God . But I understand people believing that because of the experience of being in Gods prision. They naturally have to blame someone. So they blame God, which they are correct In doing so, He has locked us up? But he will release us in his time, and his plans for us all is nothing but good. Now believing in that is not easy. It was God that planted the evil into this world, which was a good thing , it's better for God to be responsible for it than Satan. We would be in serious trouble if evil originated from the devil.
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I agree that the soul is trapped inside the physical body , and the body is trapped inside this physical world, but I totally disagree that God has no good intentions for us. That is a distortion of the good will of God . But I understand people believing that because of the experience of being in Gods prision. They naturally have to blame someone. So they blame God, which they are correct In doing so, He has locked us up? But he will release us in his time, and his plans for us all is nothing but good. Now believing in that is not easy. It was God that planted the evil into this world, which was a good thing , it's better for God to be responsible for it than Satan. We would be in serious trouble if evil originated from the devil.

God never traps us in one way or the others because it's a deception or assumption or misunderstanding. Do you know why? If you can't have enough dharma energy to escape from our body, you can't blame God and they're thousands and thousands of Gods like God Jehovah in the universe. So why not you blame your Ancestor-Gods. They can find ways or methods to let you to achieve for your freedom.So you've misunderstood the meaning of the Bible.

We can't read the Bible literally and simply follow up or create a meaning for it. But you should know the Godly purposes and needs for him to say this way. God can't plant evil on earth but evil gods do. In order to include all the power within God Jehovah's power to protect his followers that's why he takes all the responsibility by himself. Your way of saying--- all evil are planted by God is of the same meaning for God Jehovah to take responsibility for us.
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Mickiel; Hmm - the god you invison - Yhvh the bible god - that one is not the Father that Christ alone reveals... I see you have a critical thiking, open mind - so please - best advise would be to read the ORIGINAL disciple scriptures for this truth for your Self - see Christ explain literally EVERYTHING in great open detail - including the origins of that so called god of the Hebrews.... He makes it abundantly clear - two entirely separate spiritual paradigms - the true Divine, realm of Trinity Creation, Our Father Christ and Sophia as He explains it, came forth first and created all else in Divine Union - and this lesser mortal realm where Yhvh the Angel rules supreme, created by accident by Sophia alone and hidden on purpose to conceal Her mistake..

That one Yhvh honestly, could not care less about us now - perhaps not ever.... truth here is it ABANDONED US outright - just after it tried to DESTROY US in that flood !!! That was the catalyst that decreed the timing for the arrival of the Christ... Yhvh went too far - the Divine would not allow our destruction, so CHRIST interceded DIRECTLY at that point, having known all along that it would be necessary and having already prepared the path to here....

Basically as said - it starts two entirely separate realms... The true Divine COMPLETELY UNKNOWN - Yhvh HERE this realm, creating away, many heavens MANY Angels, but no mankind YET, though it seems the Earth is formed first before us (genesis is very contradictory) but anyway at first - two separate ANGELIC spiritual realms, completely isolated..

In the High realm of the Trinity - comes forth the "perfect Human" - ADAMUS - Christ said this was so awesome it affected ALL CREATION, even this hidden part here - all the Angels become DIRECTLY aware, Mind to Mind Spirit to Spirit - they witness the Divine as this Creation is "announced" and called forth.... Crucially now, they ALL KNOW, Yhvh their "god" is NOT A GOD after all !!

Some begin to question his authority..."Lucifer" we are told, wishes to RISE ABOVE and for this a rebellion begins...Rise above..?/...The Angels wanted to KOW DIVINE TRUTH that they all had witnessed but which Yhvh FORBIDS them to investigate !! Hence, some just openly rebel and say we ARE going to see what that power is !!! So his troubles begin..

To stop this calamity, Yhvh gathers them all together, and says basically let us create something like that above, Adamus - a being MADE IN the IMAGE of that Divine realm - then it can give us "praise and worship" and we will truly be gods !! So together as said they pool their creative talent and fashion the SPIRITUAL part of mankind and form a PHYSICAL VESSEL to plalce it inside of... These new Souls are placed in a lower layer of THIS realm - in between Yhvhs abode and this layer we call "solid" (all realms have seven primary layers) - at first we exist in spiritual form alone - EDEN - an ASTRAL state ,semi physical and able to CROSS from one layer to the next with great ease...CRUCIAL, let it sink in Folks..

When mankind first comes to the Earth , physical layer, it does NOT ihabit the body as we do now...At first it is more like a "remote control" - or an astral projectin down to the physical just as many here try to project UP to the spiritual.. At first in Eden our original Being, the Soul remains in spirit with a kind of telepathic control over the material body - but the Soul did not "indwell" the body fully as we mortals do now.. This is why every Soul incarnates and in that life the person has a deep fully intuitive knowing that there IS a god, a spirit - even the most hard nosed atheist who denies the spirit all their life, will turn and pray to this god as their death approaches - we KNOW INHERANTLY that we ARE spirit and this truth never leaves us, dispite Yhvhs chicanery (as we shall see)..!!

So ADAMUS is created - trouble starts for Yhvh - angels begin to rebel - he gets them all to create US - kind of like a pet - an amusement - so they can "play god" and have us adore and worship them - except Yhvh is petty minded - doesn't want to share and soon realises that he is being drained of his ability with every Sentient Soul he creates.... So jealous, guarding his power, he first forbids any and all exploration of that new realm...NO you CAN NOT rise above me it bellows.. IAM GOD you will have NO OTHER BEFORE ME !!! said to its own ANGELs first Folks - repeated to mortals much later... Next we get created as said and for a while it seems all is well - except the rebels aren't satisfied - THEY are forbidden to explore the High realm - but look WE are not forbidden !!

So, they come to us, Eden - TEACH US HOW - give us TRUTH - knowledge of "good and evil" - and basically ask US to go ascend to the Divine to see what IS Divine truth !! Yhvh find out - banishes the rebel Angels - has a panic attack about us mortals becoming gods and so banishes US as well !!

He ALTERED OUR FORMS - first made the Soul indwell the body fully, here on the mortal Earth - then altered the subtle energetic connection - astral - chakras and Kundalini - Yhvh placed two "knots" into this energy system which prohibits it from working efficiently - hence this system must be mended first for spiritual progress to truly begin.. ALL religions of the world know this basic truth for this inner energetic system is very VERY real, universal natural phenomena - our very essential nature and our ORIGINAL state of Being... They have named this system many many ways of course depending on the culture - but it is best understood as Kundalini, and no, despite what the deluded poster is about to say, it is NOT demonic at all..lol

(though it may put you in direct contact with spiritual Beings of all types, as it gives the ability to cross spiritual realms, hence yhvh forbids its truth t us, with held that promise as yhvh cannot allow us t transcend his realm)

So he trapped us ALL here - mortal man now fully indwelling this physical form with literal LOCKS on the system to prevent our escape.. And look - Angels -fallen you call them - trapped here among us also - now MORTAL - now finite perishable and about to "die", same as we all do here !!!

So they don't want that - they want to go Home - and above - to know the Divine...So they PUSH MANKIND, teach us EVERYTHING literally they civilise us, lead us, and before long we are ALMOST ready - except Yhvh has another panic attack and that great FLOOD wipes us all out (nearly)... BEST THING EVER that he did for us !!! Turns out that was the final straw - Christ came DIRECTLY to intercede - didn't even approach yhvh at all - juts passed it by as He advises us t do also..lol...Went to some of the Angels though - told them of His plan for mankind - they in turn passÚd it on to those if us with ears to hear - and so eventually HE will walk among us and Yhvh does NOTHING to prevent any of it..

Still jealous and petty, after the flood, mankind survived and prospered despite his attempt to utterly anhialate us.. mankind had ONE SINGLE SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING - one WISDOM that all knew freely - one language, one prime drive to ASCEND the mortal realm - the tower of Babel event.... Yhvh stepped in to scatter us, confound our language and SEPERATE us one nation from another... The Angels HERE began to mortally die - their Soul now free to roam THIS realm but trapped here without even a body to interact with - a ghost like wraith - these are the true demons - djinn... So begins a terrible time in our hstory...

These demons, deceased trapped Angels - spiritually powerful and adept - began to influence mankind to perversion of all kinds - they needed to create a new BODY FORM to house their Soul...Hence al that bizarre hybridisation - monsters giants - nephilim - they are trying to manufacture a new species of animal for them Self to Be - just as with modern cybernetics .They became very bitter, twisted, hatred drove them in that state and they soon turned that hatred upon mankind.... Nation set on nation - war - all manner of calamity - where once they led us to ascend, now they used us for personal gain..TRAPPED HERE in limbo, they perished one after the other until all were demonic...THEY have influenced ALL MANKINDS HISTORY - ALL OF US SUFFERING at the hands of those Souls once Angels, forced here by that "god " yhvh and LITERALLY left to ROT - as we are too !!!!

THEY cannot leave - WE cannot leave - THIS IS the HELL they teach us to fear !! This is why Christ came - to teach us TRUTH that would free us from all this...Yhvh..??..as said ABANDNED US....Did that flood - scattered the decendants - then finally - REPENTED - encountered the TRUE Divine directly for it self - was embraced and loved BY the Divine - FORGIVEN - Christ just assumed the authority and did what needed to be done - Yhvh told its last prophet Malachi that it would then be SILENT forever more would not speak directly again and they should watch for the Christ..!! That was like 400 years BEFORE Christ and that one Yhvh HAS been indeed SILENT ever since...

Yes I know it started yet another "religion " after all this - Islam - hundreds of years later - same god same angels same prophets even - but look again Folks - it is an ANGEL that delivers the Islamic truth, not the god Yhvh directly as it did to Moses - it is GABRIEL says he is from yhvh but Yhvh itself - SILENT !! That is because it HAS abandoned us just as it said - CHRIST is the sole Divine authority here...
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Mickiel; Hmm - the god you invison - Yhvh the bible god - that one is not the Father that Christ alone reveals... I see you have a critical thiking, open mind - so please - best advise would be to read the ORIGINAL disciple scriptures for this truth for your Self - see Christ explain literally EVERYTHING in great open detail - including the origins of that so called god of the Hebrews.... He makes it abundantly clear - two entirely separate spiritual paradigms - the true Divine, realm of Trinity Creation, Our Father Christ and Sophia as He explains it, came forth first and created all else in Divine Union - and this lesser mortal realm where Yhvh the Angel rules supreme, created by accident by Sophia alone and hidden on purpose to conceal Her mistake..

That one Yhvh honestly, could not care less about us now - perhaps not ever.... truth here is it ABANDONED US outright - just after it tried to DESTROY US in that flood !!! That was the catalyst that decreed the timing for the arrival of the Christ... Yhvh went too far - the Divine would not allow our destruction, so CHRIST interceded DIRECTLY at that point, having known all along that it would be necessary and having already prepared the path to here....

Basically as said - it starts two entirely separate realms... The true Divine COMPLETELY UNKNOWN - Yhvh HERE this realm, creating away, many heavens MANY Angels, but no mankind YET, though it seems the Earth is formed first before us (genesis is very contradictory) but anyway at first - two separate ANGELIC spiritual realms, completely isolated..

In the High realm of the Trinity - comes forth the "perfect Human" - ADAMUS - Christ said this was so awesome it affected ALL CREATION, even this hidden part here - all the Angels become DIRECTLY aware, Mind to Mind Spirit to Spirit - they witness the Divine as this Creation is "announced" and called forth.... Crucially now, they ALL KNOW, Yhvh their "god" is NOT A GOD after all !!

Some begin to question his authority..."Lucifer" we are told, wishes to RISE ABOVE and for this a rebellion begins...Rise above..?/...The Angels wanted to KOW DIVINE TRUTH that they all had witnessed but which Yhvh FORBIDS them to investigate !! Hence, some just openly rebel and say we ARE going to see what that power is !!! So his troubles begin..

To stop this calamity, Yhvh gathers them all together, and says basically let us create something like that above, Adamus - a being MADE IN the IMAGE of that Divine realm - then it can give us "praise and worship" and we will truly be gods !! So together as said they pool their creative talent and fashion the SPIRITUAL part of mankind and form a PHYSICAL VESSEL to plalce it inside of... These new Souls are placed in a lower layer of THIS realm - in between Yhvhs abode and this layer we call "solid" (all realms have seven primary layers) - at first we exist in spiritual form alone - EDEN - an ASTRAL state ,semi physical and able to CROSS from one layer to the next with great ease...CRUCIAL, let it sink in Folks..

When mankind first comes to the Earth , physical layer, it does NOT ihabit the body as we do now...At first it is more like a "remote control" - or an astral projectin down to the physical just as many here try to project UP to the spiritual.. At first in Eden our original Being, the Soul remains in spirit with a kind of telepathic control over the material body - but the Soul did not "indwell" the body fully as we mortals do now.. This is why every Soul incarnates and in that life the person has a deep fully intuitive knowing that there IS a god, a spirit - even the most hard nosed atheist who denies the spirit all their life, will turn and pray to this god as their death approaches - we KNOW INHERANTLY that we ARE spirit and this truth never leaves us, dispite Yhvhs chicanery (as we shall see)..!!

So ADAMUS is created - trouble starts for Yhvh - angels begin to rebel - he gets them all to create US - kind of like a pet - an amusement - so they can "play god" and have us adore and worship them - except Yhvh is petty minded - doesn't want to share and soon realises that he is being drained of his ability with every Sentient Soul he creates.... So jealous, guarding his power, he first forbids any and all exploration of that new realm...NO you CAN NOT rise above me it bellows.. IAM GOD you will have NO OTHER BEFORE ME !!! said to its own ANGELs first Folks - repeated to mortals much later... Next we get created as said and for a while it seems all is well - except the rebels aren't satisfied - THEY are forbidden to explore the High realm - but look WE are not forbidden !!

So, they come to us, Eden - TEACH US HOW - give us TRUTH - knowledge of "good and evil" - and basically ask US to go ascend to the Divine to see what IS Divine truth !! Yhvh find out - banishes the rebel Angels - has a panic attack about us mortals becoming gods and so banishes US as well !!

He ALTERED OUR FORMS - first made the Soul indwell the body fully, here on the mortal Earth - then altered the subtle energetic connection - astral - chakras and Kundalini - Yhvh placed two "knots" into this energy system which prohibits it from working efficiently - hence this system must be mended first for spiritual progress to truly begin.. ALL religions of the world know this basic truth for this inner energetic system is very VERY real, universal natural phenomena - our very essential nature and our ORIGINAL state of Being... They have named this system many many ways of course depending on the culture - but it is best understood as Kundalini, and no, despite what the deluded poster is about to say, it is NOT demonic at all..lol

(though it may put you in direct contact with spiritual Beings of all types, as it gives the ability to cross spiritual realms, hence yhvh forbids its truth t us, with held that promise as yhvh cannot allow us t transcend his realm)

So he trapped us ALL here - mortal man now fully indwelling this physical form with literal LOCKS on the system to prevent our escape.. And look - Angels -fallen you call them - trapped here among us also - now MORTAL - now finite perishable and about to "die", same as we all do here !!!

So they don't want that - they want to go Home - and above - to know the Divine...So they PUSH MANKIND, teach us EVERYTHING literally they civilise us, lead us, and before long we are ALMOST ready - except Yhvh has another panic attack and that great FLOOD wipes us all out (nearly)... BEST THING EVER that he did for us !!! Turns out that was the final straw - Christ came DIRECTLY to intercede - didn't even approach yhvh at all - juts passed it by as He advises us t do also..lol...Went to some of the Angels though - told them of His plan for mankind - they in turn passÚd it on to those if us with ears to hear - and so eventually HE will walk among us and Yhvh does NOTHING to prevent any of it..

Still jealous and petty, after the flood, mankind survived and prospered despite his attempt to utterly anhialate us.. mankind had ONE SINGLE SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING - one WISDOM that all knew freely - one language, one prime drive to ASCEND the mortal realm - the tower of Babel event.... Yhvh stepped in to scatter us, confound our language and SEPERATE us one nation from another... The Angels HERE began to mortally die - their Soul now free to roam THIS realm but trapped here without even a body to interact with - a ghost like wraith - these are the true demons - djinn... So begins a terrible time in our hstory...

These demons, deceased trapped Angels - spiritually powerful and adept -began to influence mankind to perversion of all kinds -they needed to create a new BOSY FORM to house their Soul....Thye became very bitter, tisted, hatred drove them in that state and they soon turned that hatred upon mankind.... NAtion set on nation -war - all manner of calamity -where once they led us to ascend, now they used us for personal gai...TRAPPED HERE in limbo, they perished one afte the other until all were demonic...THYE have influienced ALL MANKINDS HISTORY - ALL OF US SUFFERING at the hands of those Souls once Angels, forced here by that "god " yhvh and LITERALLY left to ROT - as we are to !!!!

THEY cannot leave -WE cannot leave -THIS IS HELL !! This is why Christ came -to teach us TRUTH that would free us from all this...Yhvh..??..as said ABANDNED US....Did that flood - scattered the decendants - then finally - REPENTED - encountered the TRUE Divine directly for it self - was embraced and loved BY the Divine - FORGIVEN - Christ just assumed the authority and did what needed to be done - Yhvh told its last prophet Malachi that it would then be SILENT forever more would not speak directly again and they should watch for the Christ..!! That was like 400 years BEFORE Christ and that one Yhvh HAS been indeed SILENT ever since...

Yes I know it started yet another "religion " after all this - Islam - hundreds of years later - same god sae angels same prophets even - but look again Folks - it is an ANGEL that delivers the Islamic truth, not the god Yhvh directly as it did to Moses - it is GABRIEL says he is from yhvh but Yhvh itself - SILENT !! That is because it HAS abandoned us just as it said - CHRIST is the sole Divine authority here...


I agree with some of your beliefs, and disagree with others. Its interesting how our beliefs mix and gel with others, and I can even see and understand what I disagree with. In example, in my way of understanding there is no Trinity. I believe the Father is a God, the Son, Jesus may be " A God" but he is not God. I don't know just what the Holy Spirit is. I do believe it is God who destroys, but he will not destroy our future with him. I do not see a Character in scripture called " Sophia." God did not " Banish Angels" for being evil, he created those who are evil to be evil.

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Ab Orgine,

What you write is only a fiction story. Or a "nonfiction" story of no proof or just assumption or guessing. Christianity does tell these sort of stories but who is proving that it's true? Or it's just an old legend story like the Chinese. In the ancient time there're nine suns and a brave man climbing up to the highest mountain to shoot eight of the sun down. So may I ask, do you believe my story....?

Angels family members are very discipline Gods. So you don't know anything about them. It's like the blue Phoenix, mermaid, unicorn, white Phoenix, white Pegasus, dragon.... They're very moral and discipline Gods. They're not greedy or never seek for power..... They come to earth is just to help human beings.
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