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Old 04-11-2017, 07:36 PM
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What use is spirituality?

Reading this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/11/w...trocities.html

I wonder - what use is spirituality and forums? Discuss.
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:07 PM
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First of all, religion and spirituality are two different things, IMO. Religion, to me, is a social construct that can have little or no relation to spirituality.

I go pretty much by the dictionary definition of 'spirit', which is 'the animating essence of something'. Thus, spirituality, to me, is the discovery of one's authentic being.

The forum simply represents this same theme on a wider more inclusive scale.


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Old 04-11-2017, 09:10 PM
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Thanks K

I mean, in relation to happenstances like what is referenced in the article.

What use is discussion, what use is "my" happiness/joy/revelations/wants when countless others suffer?
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:18 PM
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Thanks K

I mean, in relation to happenstances like what is referenced in the article.

What use is discussion, what use is "my" happiness/joy/revelations/wants when countless others suffer?
It's a shared universe. What I do can affect you, and what you do can affect me.

What would be the effect if we all suffered so? What would be the effect if we all worked together to be happy? What would be the effect if we were all aware of our own power, of the potential effects we can and do have on others?

We should all discuss this much more, IMO.

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Old 04-11-2017, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by blossomingtree
I mean, in relation to.... the article.
1. What use is discussion,
2. what use is "my" happiness/joy/revelations/wants when countless others suffer?
Sorry, I reorganized your quote to simplify it for my own brain.

There are so many ways to discuss this! Where does one start?
A therapist could ask if you are distraught over that article and if you personally need help or upliftment...how does it effect you?
Then, with your answers guide you with their questions for you to come up with your own "Ah-ha!'' moment and see the ans for yourself.

On a forum we can't tell if you are feeling emotional about this or coming at it dispassionately like someone wanting
to write a paper about it.
So sorry I'm not remembering other posts from you.
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This is how I would tackle this in a discussion, keeping a focus on your 2 questions...related to the article.
Discussion is for our clarity; to understand more.
So that takes care of that. Why do we want clarity and understanding?
To be able to cope with the horrors, to be able to see the importance of helping with these things, to understand the universe, this life, God, the reason for existence ...to understand good and evil....to ask where it comes from , what good is there in evil....and so on.
So, ok, this is why we discuss things here for clarity on what 'this' is all about and how to proceed.

What use is your happiness/revelations/desires and so forth? When others have horrible things in their lives?
It could be asked ...What use would your sadness be? What use would
staying awake nights feeling their pain have?
Maybe a lot! Maybe not so much...
maybe for a day and then some understanding could sprout ...and then action?
Say, coming up with a plan on what action to take with your Senators, newspapers, posters, flyers on college campuses to raise awareness...
causing scenes to be get yourself arrested so you'd be interviewed and reach a bigger audience...see...so maybe your unhappiness was a good thing.

In your empathizing some clarity happened and you could take action.

Or you could stay here and try to find inspiration to connect to your Source/God /Higher Self...find inner peace and happiness spreading that in your limited sphere of people and let
the lives of those in the article be their life situation....sometimes called karma...which is not punishment, but
something to bring them to their personal inner growth.

Which makes you happiest...staying here and discussing finding your own peace and connection?
Or getting 'out there' and doing something to feed the poor, get fresh water to villages, stop political atrocities in poor countries, stop terrorist organizations and so on.

Discuss and then come up with a course of action that makes you the happiest...either way what good does
feeling bad about the world...but to then do nothing about it?
Every good action no matter how little helps all the bad in the world a little bit.

Did that 'discussion' help? If it did in any way...then discussing is a good thing.
And maybe you felt a desire and a revelation to take some action that gave you joy...seems like it was a good thing to pose that orig question, I'd say.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kioma
It's a shared universe. What I do can affect you, and what you do can affect me.

What would be the effect if we all suffered so? What would be the effect if we all worked together to be happy? What would be the effect if we were all aware of our own power, of the potential effects we can and do have on others?

We should all discuss this much more, IMO.
Aye to that, Kioma.

The following repeats what I said in http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...4&postcount=58 :

"It has ... struck me that developments in the field of modern computer systems may provide us with an even more illustrative model for the universally creative, feedback-loop based interfusion of the Essence of Creativity (i.e. 'the Father') and the Life of every individual and amalgamated aspect of Its expression. To explore this proposition, imagine if you will that the main aim or goal of said Essence’s ‘program’ – the primary motive (i.e. ‘desire’) ensconced in its ‘source code’ – is to maximally express and thereby experience Love and Joy, to Joyfully express and experience Love and Lovingly express and experience Joy to the greatest possible degree in every possible way, or something like that.

Next, to picture the activity of the Living Entity of our Creation (i.e. of ‘the Son’), imagine a universe-sized network made up of an infinite array of banks upon banks of computers matrixially web-strung together by way of both parallel and series connections, all simultaneously, individually and together, multi-processing the above referenced Love and Joy ‘program’, with each processor and every amalgamation thereof functionally outputting the ‘solution’ it ‘calculates’ will most probably yield the greatest possible Love and Joy ‘result’ in its case (as far as it can prognostically project, that is), which ‘solution’ then operationally functions as input in relation of any and all associated processors to whatever extent they ‘calculate’ it to be relevant to their own Love and Joy process, such that said output-n-input data-packet sequences co-actively ripple and reverberate around the network, sparking Love and Joy focused perceptions and decisions (i.e. experiences and expressions) which conjointly determine what takes place here, there and everywhere in ‘the body’ of said Entity over the course of time.
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The full text of the chapter from which the above excerpt was taken is available as a pdf file from the 'Articles' page of my website. It is titled, "What Jesus Really Meant - Ch.1"
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Old 05-11-2017, 01:26 AM
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... with each processor and every amalgamation thereof functionally outputting the ‘solution’ it ‘calculates’ will most probably yield the greatest possible Love and Joy ‘result’ in its case (as far as it can prognostically project, that is), which ‘solution’ then operationally functions as input in relation of any and all associated processors to whatever extent they ‘calculate’ it to be relevant to their own Love and Joy process, ...
The question some have raised is whether one can "in 'good' conscience" just 'insularly' focus on one's 'own' personal experience of Love and Joy (i.e. being 'happy') without 'owning' up to and taking into 'due' account the fact that one's expression of Love and Joy necessarily impacts (or doesn't, if one chooses not to so deploy one's Love and Joy) others who may not be in as 'good' a position to experience and express Love and Joy by virtue of being less fortunate, adept, etc., etc., etc, etc. How can one be 'happy' while others 'suffer', IOW?

Which gives rise to certain opinions in said regard as expressed in exhortations and parables such as: "Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth." and "He shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the 'King' (of the 'state' of 'Heaven'/Happiness) say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me."

Not that I think the words 'sick', hungry', 'naked' and 'in prison' as used here only refer to physical conditions, or that taking 'a vow' of poverty (or spiritual renunciation and/or austerity) is the best way to 'spread' and 'enable' the experience and expression of a 'greater' degree of Love and Joy, mind you.
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:40 AM
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The 'use' of true spirituality, is that it will give you the ability to see and to be able to discriminate/discern between those individuals and groups of people who are being genuine and telling the whole truth.....and those minority groups who will put on this huge act, and convincingly play the part of the 'victim' or the 'persecuted' and be totally dishonest, making up sensational stories and colluding with each other, that the mainstream media will latch on to it...only with the whole aim of furthering their own political/religious agendas...and appealing to all the 'bleeding hearts' and 'humanitarians' to come to their aid in an act of worldwide sensationalist 'drama' that has absolutely no basis in fact or actuality whatsoever....like when Buddhist priests were accused of murdering Rohinga babies in Mayanmar...yeah, riiight! =/
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:07 AM
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A - he awoke and did small health stretch
and shut up after pointy things that morning

B - he awoke and called out nobody should
have any - but himself and his feet

We just learned A - easier to box with that.
We are going to want to box with that. B's -
just shoving up shoulders and arms up
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:46 AM
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To take a less blunt and cynical approach...

This is Kali Yuga...a Yuga in which it will be taught how to psychologically and spiritually manipulate the emotions, good-will and empathy of others (they will be called 'the weak') for recognition, material advancement and religious superiority.

To this end, fanatics and idealists will stop at nothing...including murdering their own and blaming it on others (as the 'sacrificial lamb') - it is all symptomatic of Kali Yuga and the end result will be that people will begin to see how their tolerance (it will be called 'conditioned guilt') and humanistic principles are being used/abused by those seeking world dominance...and so, these altruistic and moral ideals will totally fade into history.

Being spiritual, means being 'realistic'. Compassion is a nice quality to have, but if you are able to see through all of the bulldust in this world, see through all the maya...the plain ignorance of everything...everybody...this whole knee-jerk reaction to 'atrocity' (a nice media buzz-word btw) disappears...and then there is neither tolerance nor intolerance...neither love nor hate...neither war nor peace...one only looks after their own spiritual progress through meditation, prayer, service to the environment, not harming/hurting anybody else...basically minding their own business...and then, the whole world is hugely better off.
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