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Old 01-11-2017, 12:02 PM
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I see where you're at now, beyond the puppy and sunset remedy, I've been there too. Are you familiar with the five koshas? Swamij tackles maya and koshas, perhaps his view might help. In kosha terms where do you think you might be?

http://www.swamij.com/koshas.htm
Where I am at is somewhere between the Vijnanamaya Kosha and the Anandamaya Kosha with Adi Shankaracharya's Nirvana Shatakam resounding deep within my soul:

न च प्राणसंज्ञो न वै पञ्चवायुः
न वा सप्तधातुः न वा पञ्चकोशः ।
न वाक्पाणिपादं न चोपस्थपायु
चिदानन्दरूपः शिवोऽहम् शिवोऽहम् ॥२॥


Na Ca Praanna-Samjnyo Na Vai Pan.ca-Vaayuh
Na Vaa Sapta-Dhaatuh Na Vaa Pan.ca-Koshah |
Na Vaak-Paanni-Paadam Na Copastha-Paayu
Cid-Aananda-Ruupah Shivo[a-A]ham Shivo[a-A]ham ||2||

Meaning:
2.1: Neither am I the Vital Breath, nor the Five Vital Airs,
2.2: Neither am I the Seven Ingredients (of the Body), nor the Five Sheaths (of the Body),
2.3: Neither am I the organ of Speech, nor the organs for Holding ( Hand ), Movement ( Feet ) or Excretion,
2.4: I am the Ever Pure Blissful Consciousness; I am Shiva, I am Shiva,
The Ever Pure Blissful Consciousness.

Except for the fact that "I" am still "I" and "Shiva" is still "Shiva"...and I don't want that to BE any other way...but it IS despite my wanting it NOT to be...

...and there hangs the whole sad and sorry tale of woe.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:34 PM
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All these people who sell bliss are like people selling fairy floss to children.

Sure it tastes good and looks attractive, but what a superficial treat. FWIW...

Hint: Look at teachers like Jesus, Buddha, Saint Teresa, Rumi, Hafiz, Sri Ramana Maharishi etc. for real spirituality.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:49 PM
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Huge insights and knowledge such as...
Ok, fair enough, I respect curiosity, high5.
I could give a few...but, why not just give a couple 'big' ones....2nd thought,
some just seem so sacred..um..maybe not for a public forum, having to do with
Who God Is and 'His' Heart..so maybe just this one...I was shown how creation happens/ed.

Amazingly simple for the Great Shapeshifter! (at least, that which was shown to MY brain, the simple part, ha.
Maybe if Einstein sat in meditation as long as I have he would have been shown the physics and math of it all!!! HA, see?)

Simply put...there is this Light, right? Well, 'It' slowed Itself down ...
like a 'switch' may slow something down on a tape....and that Light
vibrating as light does...slowed Itself....slower and slower....while forming..."things"....a tree, a planet for the tree....woman....doggies.

So with my spiritual mouth dropped, absorbing....well,
I clearly saw...
"Oh, well, alrighty then...nothing is real...it's all YOU!"

Tried to keep it simple...I'm a Gemini, trust me, I could elaborate!!!
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:09 PM
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Nope, there's no bliss at all, just calm, peace, numbness, disassociation,
detachment, not caring or giving a damn. There is nothing there...nothing!

I feel spiritually ripped off and want a refund. lol
LOL, cute.
There's all that and a bag of chips, too...it was perfect for you to exp that aspect of The One.
I have certainly experienced the Void....the Absolute Nothing...oh, boy!!
!
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:27 PM
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Ok, fair enough, I respect curiosity, high5.
I could give a few...but, why not just give a couple 'big' ones....2nd thought,
some just seem so sacred..um..maybe not for a public forum, having to do with
Who God Is and 'His' Heart..so maybe just this one...I was shown how creation happens/ed.

Amazingly simple for the Great Shapeshifter! (at least, that which was shown to MY brain, the simple part, ha.
Maybe if Einstein sat in meditation as long as I have he would have been shown the physics and math of it all!!! HA, see?)

Simply put...there is this Light, right? Well, 'It' slowed Itself down ...
like a 'switch' may slow something down on a tape....and that Light
vibrating as light does...slowed Itself....slower and slower....while forming..."things"....a tree, a planet for the tree....woman....doggies.

So with my spiritual mouth dropped, absorbing....well,
I clearly saw...
"Oh, well, alrighty then...nothing is real...it's all YOU!"

Tried to keep it simple...I'm a Gemini, trust me, I could elaborate!!!

When the light of you slows itself right down slower and slower its amazing what forms of itself as the presence..

Nothing is real, its all you...well I'll be darned!
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:51 PM
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LOL, cute.
There's all that and a bag of chips, too...it was perfect for you to exp that aspect of The One.
I have certainly experienced the Void....the Absolute Nothing...oh, boy!!
!

I'd be interested to hear your views on how that 'nothingness' and the 'bliss' that everyone speaks of are related. Are they like Yin and Yang? My personal experience was blissful, but it felt like an ego-based bliss. The reality that was revealed was, in my opinion, quite neutral.
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Old 01-11-2017, 11:26 PM
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I had wondered lately of what use Bliss was in this physical realm? Yes its wonderful to be in that state but I really couldn't see how life can continue if we all went around on this blissful high every minute of the day, how would the human race function. I feel the same way about meditation too. There had to be something more to it that I was missing. So I began looking into my own experiences of these moments to see if I could find some patterns that might be helpful.

The Bliss always faded with time, but looking back I realised that the onset of bliss had always been at a point of giving up...of totally releasing the idea that I could thinkmy way into a higher spiritual state...to cease a continuation of thought without expecting that it would have a consequence...to come to a point where knowledge had no place to go...it wasn't of any use. At those points its there, whether its a powerful force or just a felt quickening of the heart, its always then that it happens.

But then why does it fade? Because I begin to dissect it in my mind, thinking my way through it trying to figure it out. I love to analyse things, and I've now realised you can't do that with bliss. So the mind with all its accumulated knowledge was of no use to get to this blissful state but we still need this mind to negotiate our physical world...it was then I realised that it was a blending of both, knowing when thought had its place but to also allow space for the bliss to present itself. It doesn't always come in a powerful mind blowing shower but can also be felt as a constant trickling stream.

Present spiritual teachers talk of following your bliss, your joy or highest excitement...so what if this Joy, this Bliss was actually our pathway, our guiding instrument for a better way of living. A bit like street lights highlighting the road before us...if we can live with a quieter mind we get to feel those moments when our hearts quicken telling us this is the way to move forward, the pathway to where you want to go for a greater sense of well being. I've found that following your bliss clears any previously thought based obstacles if we take it one step at a time...just following the breadcrumbs.

I went on holiday once, fell totally in love with the country I was in so much so that I was compelled to up sticks and move. There were so many obstacles I felt that needed to be hurdled...finance, convincing family, visa's, friendships ..so many reasons not to go but I felt I had no choice but to follow this blissful state I was feeling ...I had to go. The family were no problem, they all were up for the challenge, even my elderly mother who I couldn't leave behind. We got a good price for our house and sold within two days at the sudden rising of the housing market, not only that but the exchange rate was at the highest in decades in our favour and our residency visa's came through approved in record time. By the end of the same year we were all settled in a new home on the other side of the globe. It was a life changing move and proved to be a good one for all concerned.

So on a daily level, bliss doesn't have to be all consuming but if we are able to quieten the mind enough for us to feel what this energy within is guiding us towards it can change our lives in an instant. That to me is my meditation now, to constantly be aware of where my bliss, whatever level, is taking me. Imagine a world where we're all doing this.
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:10 AM
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I had wondered lately of what use Bliss was in this physical realm? Yes its wonderful to be in that state but I really couldn't see how life can continue if we all went around on this blissful high every minute of the day, how would the human race function. I feel the same way about meditation too. There had to be something more to it that I was missing. So I began looking into my own experiences of these moments to see if I could find some patterns that might be helpful.


The Bliss always faded with time, but looking back I realised that the onset of bliss had always been at a point of giving up...of totally releasing the idea that I could thinkmy way into a higher spiritual state...to cease a continuation of thought without expecting that it would have a consequence...to come to a point where knowledge had no place to go...it wasn't of any use. At those points its there, whether its a powerful force or just a felt quickening of the heart, its always then that it happens.

But then why does it fade? Because I begin to dissect it in my mind, thinking my way through it trying to figure it out. I love to analyse things, and I've now realised you can't do that with bliss. So the mind with all its accumulated knowledge was of no use to get to this blissful state but we still need this mind to negotiate our physical world...it was then I realised that it was a blending of both, knowing when thought had its place but to also allow space for the bliss to present itself. It doesn't always come in a powerful mind blowing shower but can also be felt as a constant trickling stream.

Present spiritual teachers talk of following your bliss, your joy or highest excitement...so what if this Joy, this Bliss was actually our pathway, our guiding instrument for a better way of living. A bit like street lights highlighting the road before us...if we can live with a quieter mind we get to feel those moments when our hearts quicken telling us this is the way to move forward, the pathway to where you want to go for a greater sense of well being. I've found that following your bliss clears any previously thought based obstacles if we take it one step at a time...just following the breadcrumbs.

I went on holiday once, fell totally in love with the country I was in so much so that I was compelled to up sticks and move. There were so many obstacles I felt that needed to be hurdled...finance, convincing family, visa's, friendships ..so many reasons not to go but I felt I had no choice but to follow this blissful state I was feeling ...I had to go. The family were no problem, they all were up for the challenge, even my elderly mother who I couldn't leave behind. We got a good price for our house and sold within two days at the sudden rising of the housing market, not only that but the exchange rate was at the highest in decades in our favour and our residency visa's came through approved in record time. By the end of the same year we were all settled in a new home on the other side of the globe. It was a life changing move and proved to be a good one for all concerned.

So on a daily level, bliss doesn't have to be all consuming but if we are able to quieten the mind enough for us to feel what this energy within is guiding us towards it can change our lives in an instant. That to me is my meditation now, to constantly be aware of where my bliss, whatever level, is taking me. Imagine a world where we're all doing this.


Nice sharing Emm. I enjoyed your perspective.

I just wanted to add that the journey within the state of being is an inclusive movement as one. So the by product of awakening such as bliss or joy, peace or love, whatever one experiences through the awakening process never leaves as I see it once awake and aware of yourself as that. It doesn't have to be at the forefront in any one thing, but rather the presence of you as all those things. What moves from all that for self purpose is your life experienced and lived from that being awareness. What moves outside of you will move as it only can experience itself as all that.

For me awareness is more presence of being. It is neither that or this in being. I am just being, what flows is the awareness I can flow through any or all of those by products of awakening, they are already opened in me, I can dance in any or all of them as the need arises... If you are awakened you are present with what is aware of yourself aware and dancing. If you are trapped in the by product of awakening, you will be still awakening to your own presence aware of itself dancing with itself aware of its by product state..Hence talking about it all the time as most who are experiencing themselves do.

I tend to lean towards Adyashanti's view more so...mostly because that is my experience beyond the by product of awakening. Its all within me, not needing to know, it knows and it is being itself as it is aware of itself. It doesn't need to point to what it knows, aware. It just is..moves as that aware and open moving through life.

When your trapped in the by product of awakening, your still awakening..When your moving awakened, your aware and moving through your life awake.

Equanimity comes into this for me as I experience myself now.

Equanimity is one of the most sublime emotions of Buddhist practice. It is the ground for wisdom and freedom and the protector of compassion and love. While some may think of equanimity as dry neutrality or cool aloofness, mature equanimity produces a radiance and warmth of being. The Buddha described a mind filled with equanimity as “abundant, exalted, immeasurable, without hostility and without ill-will.”



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The most common Pali word translated as “equanimity” is upekkha, meaning “to look over.” It refers to the equanimity that arises from the power of observation, the ability to see without being caught by what we see. When well-developed, such power gives rise to a great sense of peace.

Upekkha can also refer to the ease that comes from seeing a bigger picture. Colloquially, in India the word was sometimes used to mean “to see with patience.” We might understand this as “seeing with understanding.” For example, when we know not to take offensive words personally, we are less likely to react to what was said. Instead, we remain at ease or equanimous. This form of equanimity is sometimes compared to grandmotherly love. The grandmother clearly loves her grandchildren but, thanks to her experience with her own children, is less likely to be caught up in the drama of her grandchildren’s lives.

The second word often translated as equanimity is tatramajjhattata, a compound made of simple Pali words. Tatra, meaning “there,” sometimes refers to “all these things.” Majjha means “middle,” and tata means “to stand or to pose.” Put together, the word becomes “to stand in the middle of all this.” As a form of equanimity, “being in the middle” refers to balance, to remaining centered in the middle of whatever is happening. This balance comes from inner strength or stability. The strong presence of inner calm, well-being, confidence, vitality, or integrity can keep us upright, like a ballast keeps a ship upright in strong winds. As inner strength develops, equanimity followshttp://www.insightmeditationcenter.org/books-articles/articles/equanimity/.
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I had wondered lately of what use Bliss was in this physical realm? Yes its wonderful to be in that state but I really couldn't see how life can continue if we all went around on this blissful high every minute of the day, how would the human race function. I feel the same way about meditation too. There had to be something more to it that I was missing. So I began looking into my own experiences of these moments to see if I could find some patterns that might be helpful.

The Bliss always faded with time, but looking back I realised that the onset of bliss had always been at a point of giving up...of totally releasing the idea that I could thinkmy way into a higher spiritual state...to cease a continuation of thought without expecting that it would have a consequence...to come to a point where knowledge had no place to go...it wasn't of any use. At those points its there, whether its a powerful force or just a felt quickening of the heart, its always then that it happens.

But then why does it fade? Because I begin to dissect it in my mind, thinking my way through it trying to figure it out. I love to analyse things, and I've now realised you can't do that with bliss. So the mind with all its accumulated knowledge was of no use to get to this blissful state but we still need this mind to negotiate our physical world...it was then I realised that it was a blending of both, knowing when thought had its place but to also allow space for the bliss to present itself. It doesn't always come in a powerful mind blowing shower but can also be felt as a constant trickling stream.

Present spiritual teachers talk of following your bliss, your joy or highest excitement...so what if this Joy, this Bliss was actually our pathway, our guiding instrument for a better way of living. A bit like street lights highlighting the road before us...if we can live with a quieter mind we get to feel those moments when our hearts quicken telling us this is the way to move forward, the pathway to where you want to go for a greater sense of well being. I've found that following your bliss clears any previously thought based obstacles if we take it one step at a time...just following the breadcrumbs.

I went on holiday once, fell totally in love with the country I was in so much so that I was compelled to up sticks and move. There were so many obstacles I felt that needed to be hurdled...finance, convincing family, visa's, friendships ..so many reasons not to go but I felt I had no choice but to follow this blissful state I was feeling ...I had to go. The family were no problem, they all were up for the challenge, even my elderly mother who I couldn't leave behind. We got a good price for our house and sold within two days at the sudden rising of the housing market, not only that but the exchange rate was at the highest in decades in our favour and our residency visa's came through approved in record time. By the end of the same year we were all settled in a new home on the other side of the globe. It was a life changing move and proved to be a good one for all concerned.

So on a daily level, bliss doesn't have to be all consuming but if we are able to quieten the mind enough for us to feel what this energy within is guiding us towards it can change our lives in an instant. That to me is my meditation now, to constantly be aware of where my bliss, whatever level, is taking me. Imagine a world where we're all doing this.

Thank's Emm. That was very well rounded.
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I think I got cosmically cheated somehow.

I am fully aware that I am not the mind, nor the body...I am pure consciousness and I have experienced it.

Nope, there's no bliss at all, just calm, peace, numbness, disassociation, detachment, not caring or giving a damn. There is nothing there...nothing!

I feel spiritually ripped off and want a refund. lol

i have seen many get to it from the help of another person. i have meditated with gurus to help deepen my experience. From Jesus to Yoganda that was the practice. just as many people today do. im not a teacher or person whom does that activity. but there are many out there. one is on here now and then named jonesboy. many out there. i am not currently meditating with any gurus but may do so again in the future. cause it helps. i have meditated with a few. plus many psychics and so on. i play every card that i think may help me. that was a good card to play for me.
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