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Old 21-10-2017, 02:36 PM
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Hello,

Placing some thoughts here.

I have come across questions and debates (for lack of better word) in regards to reality.

In one way it seems the individual creates his/her reality. Through what is thought to be, a self image created, and through what may or may not be perceived.

Then there seems to be that which just occurs around the individual. Nature doing its thing, as I am phrasing it. Regardless of what I may think should or desire, nature does it thing. It seems to go on creating beyond what I think it to be.

So, there appears two sides in experiencing living as this human being, which creates reality for this individual. That which is thought to be and perceived and that which is just being in and of itself. The sides seem interlinked and the how, why, what, and so forth get expanded in regards to the way this individual relates to it all.

What I find and continue to have reenforced in my mind is that neither are separate from the self and my being.

All of this is of the journey and creates in its own way(s) the reality I am experiencing.

But, there is the mysterious piece that appears and forms that is just there. Comes to my consciousness and awareness without effort on my part. Noticed and experienced through the senses and perceptions and forms in the mind.

It seems the reality is that it is both as I think it to be and as it is being without me thinking, lol. Quite the brain twister at times.

Sharing how reality is coming across for me at the moment.

What are the thoughts and insights you all have?
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Old 21-10-2017, 04:10 PM
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Hello,

In one way it seems the individual creates his/her reality. Through what is thought to be, a self image created, and through what may or may not be perceived.

Then there seems to be that which just occurs around the individual. Nature doing its thing, as I am phrasing it. Regardless of what I may think should or desire, nature does it thing. It seems to go on creating beyond what I think it to be.

What I find and continue to have reenforced in my mind is that neither are separate from the self and my being.

Sharing how reality is coming across for me at the moment.

I can sure relate to what you said here. If I had to clarify to myself about this, I would have said, it's not a creation of his/her reality but is an "illusion" of his/her reality and was created for you, often not by you. Reality is neutral, illusion isn't. It is then the illusion that creates the likelihood of cause and effect and this cause and effect can be anything. Sometimes you get to see the illusion of it.

Yes telling ourselves that and then believe.

Again pattern thinking, passive versus active thinking.

We are part of nature and follow those rules, but yes, how does the sun giving out it's heat apply to how we feel.
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Old 21-10-2017, 04:15 PM
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Hello,

Placing some thoughts here.

I have come across questions and debates (for lack of better word) in regards to reality.

In one way it seems the individual creates his/her reality. Through what is thought to be, a self image created, and through what may or may not be perceived.

Then there seems to be that which just occurs around the individual. Nature doing its thing, as I am phrasing it. Regardless of what I may think should or desire, nature does it thing. It seems to go on creating beyond what I think it to be.

So, there appears two sides in experiencing living as this human being, which creates reality for this individual. That which is thought to be and perceived and that which is just being in and of itself. The sides seem interlinked and the how, why, what, and so forth get expanded in regards to the way this individual relates to it all.

What I find and continue to have reenforced in my mind is that neither are separate from the self and my being.

All of this is of the journey and creates in its own way(s) the reality I am experiencing.

But, there is the mysterious piece that appears and forms that is just there. Comes to my consciousness and awareness without effort on my part. Noticed and experienced through the senses and perceptions and forms in the mind.

It seems the reality is that it is both as I think it to be and as it is being without me thinking, lol. Quite the brain twister at times.

Sharing how reality is coming across for me at the moment.

What are the thoughts and insights you all have?


Whatever happens outside of your mind is not your reality, but can be mine. Reality is based on our beliefs so what happens in our external world first must come from the mind... When we change our beliefs our reality changes..
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Old 21-10-2017, 09:19 PM
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Whatever happens outside of your mind is not your reality, but can be mine. Reality is based on our beliefs so what happens in our external world first must come from the mind... When we change our beliefs our reality changes..

An interesting idea though I'm not sure it's workable in all cases. Reality is all based on what signs communicate.
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Old 21-10-2017, 10:12 PM
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An interesting idea though I'm not sure it's workable in all cases. Reality is all based on what signs communicate.

Do you mean synchronicity?
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Old 21-10-2017, 10:29 PM
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I can sure relate to what you said here. If I had to clarify to myself about this, I would have said, it's not a creation of his/her reality but is an "illusion" of his/her reality and was created for you, often not by you. Reality is neutral, illusion isn't. It is then the illusion that creates the likelihood of cause and effect and this cause and effect can be anything. Sometimes you get to see the illusion of it.

Yes telling ourselves that and then believe.

Again pattern thinking, passive versus active thinking.

We are part of nature and follow those rules, but yes, how does the sun giving out it's heat apply to how we feel.

Hi lemex,

You bring some thoughts to me.

"Illusion" or not,does what occurs create the reality one experience?

Yes, at times there is the sorting out of what is really happening and what is not.
A smile may be warm or a showing of discomfort, for example.

Yes, there are patterns set in my own thinking. At times can recognize the pattern, at other times may not until something triggers it.

But, there are experiences I have had that seem to be without thought. Without cause and effect on my part, until after the fact. Then deciding what, if anything to do about or how to incorporate into my life.

It forms a reality of sorts. Yes, can take me believing it occurred and it has relevance. The point I find interesting is things occur or may occur regardless of what I may believe.

Guess, as far as this individual goes, my reality is influenced by both what is believed and what is observed.

Cause and effect may be the results of actions taken or happening because of these. Which can further create/expand the reality or feeling of it happening.

Suppose, some of reality is formed by how one may feel and what is believed.
What about that which occurs outside the individual and may affect him/her and even alter the reality of that person?

In this I feel it intertwines in and of itself, in a way.

Thank you.
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Old 21-10-2017, 10:35 PM
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Whatever happens outside of your mind is not your reality, but can be mine. Reality is based on our beliefs so what happens in our external world first must come from the mind... When we change our beliefs our reality changes..

Hi sky123,

I can agree that what one believes can create a reality of sorts for that individual.

What comes to mind is; What about that which may occur regardless whether I believe it or not? Such an Earthquake. Do these occur because if beliefs.
I have experienced an Earthquke, but did not cause or create it to happen.

So, to me, reality in the whole scope of things seems a more mysterious thing in a way. How one thing seems to affect another and possibly influence and alter ones own reality.

Thank you
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Old 21-10-2017, 11:11 PM
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Reality is too complex for Einstein and Stephen Hawking to figure out. I'm not even going to try. Things are mysterious, interesting, and everything is alive including me. That's enough for me.

I've been able to experience things similar to "creating your own reality" and "the law of attraction". But it was never in a concrete way. It was always in hind sight that I noticed things.

For example, last month I was hit by like 10 tragedies. I dealt with them all marvelously. This month, I practically hit the lottery. Some might say I created this reality by what I did last month, or that I attracted the good experiences by reacting appropriately to the negative ones, etc etc.

It's a conversation basically. Does this do that? Is this connected to that? What does it mean? How can we use this to our benefit? etc etc. Nobody can prove anything one way or the other. I'll let people with more hot wind than me continue this convo lol.
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Old 21-10-2017, 11:38 PM
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Reality is too complex for Einstein and Stephen Hawking to figure out. I'm not even going to try. Things are mysterious, interesting, and everything is alive including me. That's enough for me.

I've been able to experience things similar to "creating your own reality" and "the law of attraction". But it was never in a concrete way. It was always in hind sight that I noticed things.

For example, last month I was hit by like 10 tragedies. I dealt with them all marvelously. This month, I practically hit the lottery. Some might say I created this reality by what I did last month, or that I attracted the good experiences by reacting appropriately to the negative ones, etc etc.

It's a conversation basically. Does this do that? Is this connected to that? What does it mean? How can we use this to our benefit? etc etc. Nobody can prove anything one way or the other. I'll let people with more hot wind than me continue this convo lol.

Hi Shivatar,

Smart man, keep it simple, lol

Basically, not attempting to prove or disprove anything.
Everyone has his/her own take on things and experiences life in their own way.

For myself, don't go around pondering on it all. Yes can be too complex and can go on 'til the end of time debating.

Just, interested in people's take on it. This in a way expands my own thoughts on it.

Although will express my thoughts,

At times curious as to what arises in our consciousness and how thes things may relate. Which to me forms and/or influences the view of what is or maybe real.

Thank you
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Old 22-10-2017, 12:52 AM
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Hi Shivatar,

Smart man, keep it simple, lol

Basically, not attempting to prove or disprove anything.
Everyone has his/her own take on things and experiences life in their own way.

For myself, don't go around pondering on it all. Yes can be too complex and can go on 'til the end of time debating.

Just, interested in people's take on it. This in a way expands my own thoughts on it.

Although will express my thoughts,

At times curious as to what arises in our consciousness and how thes things may relate. Which to me forms and/or influences the view of what is or maybe real.

Thank you

Well, I prefer to keep it simple and to not have conversations about certain things because the potential for the conversation to become negative is great. If I do engage it's because I sense the potential for a rare experience is larger than usual. When I do engage I try not to talk about right or wrong, rather I just talk about what I've experienced and what I think. I feel talking about me is Ok and what I think about other peoples thinking, but I don't feel good talking for everyone or speaking in absolutes.

I think that there is good reason to have certain conversations but it's not in the general "i pat your back, you pat mine" kind of conversation. It's the clashing of two rams, two intellectual rams, and the collisions created is something where profound growth can take place. Over time I've learned the dangers of smashing heads and have learned who I should smash with and who I should have mercy on. (I have a hard head lol)
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