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Old 10-10-2017, 10:52 AM
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Self realisation regards a conscious recognition, as opposed to the more common oblivion people tend to. The purification is similar in principle with 'this' rising to dissolve in conscious awareness (as opposed to the avoidance and pursuits that people tend to).

Our understandings have been heard by each other. Each may work for particular characters as yours works for you. Good Luck.

My purpose has been to include, amongst the myriad stories requiring practise, one that requires nothing in case the disillusioned get too depressed by all the well meaning advice :)
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:57 AM
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Self realisation regards a conscious recognition, as opposed to the more common oblivion people tend to. The purification is similar in principle with 'this' rising to dissolve in conscious awareness (as opposed to the avoidance and pursuits that people tend to).

That may or may not be so. Either way, whether it is so or not, it is not required for connection for Oneness is already both and all states.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:01 AM
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Our understandings have been heard by each other. Each may work for particular characters as yours works for you. Good Luck.

My purpose has been to include, amongst the myriad stories requiring practise, one that requires nothing in case the disillusioned get too depressed by all the well meaning advice :)

I'll take that to mean you're finished this conversation.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:17 AM
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I'll take that to mean you're finished this conversation.

Please add whatever you would like. Maybe you do not feel we have reached an understanding.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:19 AM
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Self realisation regards a conscious recognition, as opposed to the more common oblivion people tend to. The purification is similar in principle with 'this' rising to dissolve in conscious awareness (as opposed to the avoidance and pursuits that people tend to).


Self realisation regards a conscious recognition, as opposed to the more common oblivion people tend to. The purification is similar in principle with 'this' rising to dissolve in conscious awareness (as opposed to the avoidance and pursuits that people tend to).[/quote]

That may or may not be so. Either way, whether it is so or not, it is not required for connection for Oneness is already all those states you refer to as requiring purification! So a successful practise to achieve that purification will get you no closer to Oneness than before you embarked on the practise.

It is often said that connection with the sublime is a state of total transcendence, implying the state sought is already the case no matter what state you are in. That whatever is regarded as an obstacle to be practised away is not an obstacle at all. Imagine the state in which all obstacles are seen as already Oneness manifest and the need for practise to overcome them disappears.
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Self realisation regards a conscious recognition, as opposed to the more common oblivion people tend to. The purification is similar in principle with 'this' rising to dissolve in conscious awareness (as opposed to the avoidance and pursuits that people tend to).
That may or may not be so. Either way, whether it is so or not, it is not required for connection for Oneness is already all those states you refer to as requiring purification! So a successful practise to achieve that purification will get you no closer to Oneness than before you embarked on the practise.

I can't remember referring to any states.

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It is often said that connection with the sublime is a state of total transcendence, implying the state sought is already the case no matter what state you are in.

yes, the self realisation aspect is related to the fact that you are the way you are.

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That whatever is regarded as an obstacle to be practised away is not an obstacle at all.

In the purification aspect of it there are obstacles to resolve. However, if one is adverse to the obstacles, they can't overcome them, as that aversion will be resistance, avoidance and so on, and therefore, this involves no wish or desire that impels any volitional activity to 'get rid of it'. Conversely, it is the cessation of such reactivity that enables the purification to proceed.

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[quote=Gem]I can't remember referring to any states.


yes, the self realisation aspect is related to the fact that you are the way you are.


In the purification aspect of it there are obstacles to resolve. However, if one is adverse to the obstacles, they can't overcome them, as that aversion will be resistance, avoidance and so on, and therefore, this involves no wish or desire that impels any volitional activity to 'get rid of it'. Conversely, it is the cessation of such reactivity that enables the purification to proceed.[/QUOTE
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I can't remember referring to any states.


yes, the self realisation aspect is related to the fact that you are the way you are.


In the purification aspect of it there are obstacles to resolve. However, if one is adverse to the obstacles, they can't overcome them, as that aversion will be resistance, avoidance and so on, and therefore, this involves no wish or desire that impels any volitional activity to 'get rid of it'. Conversely, it is the cessation of such reactivity that enables the purification to proceed.

Do you accept that what you think needs purifying is already Oneness manifest? (and therefore already perfect and complete in every way:) Or do you think there is something other than Oneness manifesting as that which needs purifying? If so what is that reality that is not Oneness? If there is any misunderstanding between us, that should clear it up.
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Do you accept that what you think needs purifying is already Oneness manifest? (and therefore already perfect and complete in every way:) Or do you think there is something other than Oneness manifesting as that which needs purifying? If so what is that reality that is not Oneness? If there is any misunderstanding between us, that should clear it up.

I don't know what Oneness is.
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I don't know what Oneness is.

Smiles. ...I have been following this thread and have been wondering if anyone into this thread actually underdands the term. "ONENESS".

I believe the term "ONENESS" is a misconception...based on thousands of years of un loving and un true channeled messages, channeled through to the earth people, from lower spiritually formed spiritual beings, whom would like their peers to think that they understand the workings of the universe....but whom never did understand the truth of the universe and or spirituality, 'ever' in their lives and still do not to this day....

...and whom roam around the earth plane, & still practice their false beliefs, and are discretely and constantly approaching earthlings, and whom un lovingly and discretely use their spiritual abilities to un lovingly bring on in the earthling, a false feeling of hightened spiritual state of awareness/being or oneness, when the earthling is meditating or longing, in order to reach this (false) state of awareness/being or oneness...and the earthling is totaly oblivious to the unloving influence.

And this is why the amazing feelings of what the earthling tends to refer to as reaching a nirvana or oneness does never last long.....because the unloving spiritual being whom is discretely influencing a hightened amazing spiritual moment within the earthling, does soon lose interest and leaves....and it is at that moment, that the AT ONEMENT feelings or nirvana dissipates from within the earthling.

WHAT SAY YOU...?

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