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Old 30-09-2017, 08:35 PM
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Yes, I agree too. I think this is why Catholic priests visit the dying to see if they want to express regret for any of their sins. I read a story somewhere once that someone that could see/talk to spirits witnessed an angel visiting someone's deathbed for the same purpose.

You know, I've thought about this exact thing myself waiting. Why wait to do it. You have the power to forgive, that was the newest thing Jesus taught imo. Talk to yourself about yourself and you will have no regrets.

One cannot lie to themselves, don't even try. I came to see that one day.
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:27 PM
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The more one sees Universal Salvation , the more I actually think they will see grace for everyone. Universal Salvation, or total forgiveness , brings in much more Mercy to every human- teaches you to think more merciful- and explains God much better. I think human religions and beliefs are basically unmerciful; they are based on " Merit system values", you only get what you deserve or have earned, thus you can be disqualified from having any part in any possible future humanity may have

With Universal Salvation all that has already been accomplished for you.
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Old 01-10-2017, 06:15 PM
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Universal Salvation was one of the original beliefs of early Christianity including Reincarnation

Before the Church married Imperialism and Fascism in the 4th Century, it was more mystical and experiential. Sadly most Organized Religions including Islam stem from an Imperial background.

Nobody wanted to be like the Jews, a minority constantly scapegoated but they stuck to their guns and never became a ruling power unless you count modern Israel today which is debatable for war crimes. That's a whole other subject.

The point is Jesus was a Jew, a passionate and observant Jewish spiritual teacher who was seen as the Christ. He was "saving the world". It doesn't say he died to save people's individual sins. The only way a person can overcome their sins is if they change. This isn't rocket science. This is the basics of being human and how you were taught as a child. You do something wrong you try to make up for it or you forgive someone for wronging you.

Jesus went to the Cross to reveal to the world the Universal Suffering of God. Jesus had no reason to suffer like that. He didn't commit any foul actions in a previous lifetimes or in his current life to warrant such a death. He took the payment, the price of unconditional love for us. To be fully loving and forgiving in this life takes up a lot of crosses and suffering on behalf of others because it is a "fallen" world, a society with institutions, governments, penal systems, and religions that are man-made and corrupt. The only way to be a truly good, loving being like God is through forgiveness in the material realm. That is why before he was crucified Jesus said, "Why call me Good? Only The Father is good", this is because only God is perfect and we can not be perfect until we know or are tested into forgiveness. Before that, before suffering we are only good arbitrarily. And what happens when an innocent person doesn't suffer? It because a reward for being good that nothing bad happens to you. That in itself is unjust. That means being good is about receiving good karma and not for the sake of Goodness itself.

When Jesus told a woman "fulfill all righteousness" to attain the kingdom of heaven, to attain enlightenment or Perfection, he truly meant to do what is right despite always searching for a reward or seeking punishment for your enemies. The Christ Consciousness is about unconditional, all-embracing, all pervading forgiveness and love; not reward and punishment. That is the Law of Karma which is the cause and effect of your soul-journey which is neither good nor bad, it just is what it is based on what you've put out to the universe whether good or evil on your terms.

But to transcend that is to live out from that higher consciousness.
Jesus died for all the sins of the world so that we could see how to overcome our own in our day to day lives. We won't have any karmic debts to pay from the past if we can forgive all and move on. The debt to that Law has been paid by Christ. But if you continue to live by the Law of Karma, by your own actions of reward/punishment tit-for tat, retribution, revenge, or whatever spiritual defects we harbor in our minds we will continue to reincarnate and assume and continue to pay debts that are attached to our habits. There needs to be a way out and you can't keep paying it yourself because like a wheel you get stuck in it. The only release is living a spiritual life of love and forgiveness, and any old debt will be paid by the blood of Jesus.

Jesus' blood was shed once, but his "blood" on a more metaphysical, transcendent level is the spiritual energy of his love. He paid something to the law of karma which is impersonal, and there are Angels that uphold that vibrational energy. The angels were so moved by Christ's sacrificial death and they too don't enjoy having to dish out the karmic law. But the high Councils have jobs to do that were given by God. God is above all of that. God in Jesus was doing all of that as well.

It's almost like God broke his own Laws, or trumped what are "lower laws" with the higher Law of Grace, thus fulfilling the LAW. Jesus fulfilled the Law in a way that wasn't dumbfounding to the religious elites since their minds were always stuck in the dualistic parts of it which were tit for tat, eye for an eye.

At the end of the day all spiritual being who have had a human experience will find their way completely back to God. That is the PLAN. That is how LOVE is truly more powerful than anything else. If it isn't saving everybody at the end of the day it isn't saving anybody.

That is literally why God is trying to get all spiritual beings who
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Old 02-10-2017, 12:59 AM
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. If it isn't saving everybody at the end of the day it isn't saving anybody.



I really like that.

Peace.
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Old 02-10-2017, 12:29 PM
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Universal Salvation was one of the original beliefs of early Christianity including Reincarnation

Before the Church married Imperialism and Fascism in the 4th Century, it was more mystical and experiential. Sadly most Organized Religions including Islam stem from an Imperial background. .......................


..................................At the end of the day all spiritual being who have had a human experience will find their way completely back to God. That is the PLAN. That is how LOVE is truly more powerful than anything else. If it isn't saving everybody at the end of the day it isn't saving anybody.

That is literally why God is trying to get all spiritual beings who

No need to quote it all... excuse me saying so but that's a remarkable piece of writing.
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