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Old 03-10-2017, 09:50 PM
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Revelations 16:1-2(kjv))

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

What we need to first understand is that there is the image of the beast which is the creation of the Dragon mentioned in Revelations 12. There's also the image of God which is the creator of the Heavens and the Earth. When one thing is said lets say by God the Dragon/Beast and its image will also have its own meaning and will go out to fulfil that meaning by even taking on the image of God and invading many countries.
Verse 1 seems straight forward that seven human messengers get the go ahead to speak their message to the Earth. But lets see another verse with a messenger or two and the Earth. Revelations 14:14-16 and Revelations 14:17-20. In verse 19 is the word "Gather" which is the people that are Gathered from the four corners of the Earth.
Verse 2 seemingly has two types of people, those that have the mark and those that worship that image. Btw I've read on a forum somewhere that that mark and specifically that number has something to do with Solomon according to the bible.
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Revelations 16:3(kjv)

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

So this sea(whatever it is) is already in existence and some human comes a long and decides to pour something in it. 'blood of a dead man' is IMO a symbolism for 'The voice of a dead man' if you remember what Yeshua said. "The abundance of a man's heart so shall he speak" so literally speaking the heart pumps blood and yet here he says it speaks. This second messenger like all the righteous messengers brings about the realisation in the minds of certain people what the enemy is doing and what it is destined for. Now the word dead doesn't always mean when a person literally ends up in the ground, its sometimes used as a person that wilfully sins. So that sea mentioned in this verse could also mean the people that believed that dead man. It's certainly a strange verse.
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Revelations 16:1-2(kjv))

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

What we need to first understand is that there is the image of the beast which is the creation of the Dragon mentioned in Revelations 12. There's also the image of God which is the creator of the Heavens and the Earth. When one thing is said lets say by God the Dragon/Beast and its image will also have its own meaning and will go out to fulfil that meaning by even taking on the image of God and invading many countries.
Verse 1 seems straight forward that seven human messengers get the go ahead to speak their message to the Earth. But lets see another verse with a messenger or two and the Earth. Revelations 14:14-16 and Revelations 14:17-20. In verse 19 is the word "Gather" which is the people that are Gathered from the four corners of the Earth.
Verse 2 seemingly has two types of people, those that have the mark and those that worship that image. Btw I've read on a forum somewhere that that mark and specifically that number has something to do with Solomon according to the bible.


There is a lot of symbolism in Revelation.--the image of the beast is not the beast itself but what it says it represents that will deceive mortal hearts--which is peace and security.
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Old 05-10-2017, 07:46 PM
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Revelations 16:3(kjv)

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

So this sea(whatever it is) is already in existence and some human comes a long and decides to pour something in it. 'blood of a dead man' is IMO a symbolism for 'The voice of a dead man' if you remember what Yeshua said. "The abundance of a man's heart so shall he speak" so literally speaking the heart pumps blood and yet here he says it speaks. This second messenger like all the righteous messengers brings about the realisation in the minds of certain people what the enemy is doing and what it is destined for. Now the word dead doesn't always mean when a person literally ends up in the ground, its sometimes used as a person that wilfully sins. So that sea mentioned in this verse could also mean the people that believed that dead man. It's certainly a strange verse.


Revelation is a very hard read. Not one can understand it except those taught by Jesus real teachers.
The sea is all mankind alienated from the true living God. The rebellious mass who are apart of this world( must fit in)--To God that sea is like blood unfit for creatures to live in. True followers are no part of this world( they do not fit in)--it means all those apart of that sea are dead in Gods eyes.

Man has offered the image of the beast( peace and security) as the hope for all mankind--In Reality--Gods kingdom is mankinds only remaining hope. Few know that fact. They will look and depend upon the beast to make things better. The sad fact, is that Few actually know God and his son even ones proclaiming to serve them, look to the image of the beast.
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So moving a long and right away from these replacement theologians(looking around, looking around) that act as if they know it all, like a particular person on here that says the tribulation hasn't happened yet. I speak to you people that don't realise who you really are and I speak in a way as if you were given the tools to uncover things that have been hidden for too long. The reason is to hide the answers from the bigots. So lets continue.
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Revelations 16:4-5(kjv)

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
So we had the Earth and the Sea and now the fountains of waters which like the sea also turns to blood. I haven't as yet done a word study into the actual languages used at the time this was written. The difference in verse 4 is that it doesn't say its the blood of a dead man which could be significant. In verse 5 we get another human messenger/angel speaking about righteous judgements which we will see clearly why these actions had to take place. Something else to note is the saying "which art and wast and shalt be which is in the wrong order as far as I have seen.
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Revelations 16:6(kjv)

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
So now we can see clearly the reason why these righteous judgements were given. Since it says that they shed the blood of the prophets and saints this is nothing new and that only means that the image of the beast has inherited something that is also nothing new. Remember the saying she/they are drunk on the blood of the saints? And also fill the cup up to her twice? Let that sink in.
So keep in mind 'The abundance of a man's heart so shall he speak' when reading these verses.
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Revelations 16:7(kjv)

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
So here's yet another messenger and he/she is from the altar speaking about righteous judgements. So good and honest onlookers here's two human messengers that are between the third and fourth messengers with the vials. So the third human messenger with his/her prayers spoken into reality I mean poured out his/her vial on the fountains and rivers and the messenger of the waters spoke but there is no human messenger/angel that poured his/her vial on the altar. The other details we can take from these verses already posted is area in which this person is talking about even though it also be symbolic beyond that as well. Just some key words to consider, the Sea, altar, and the rivers and fountains when considering the river Euphrates being mentioned soon.

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At this time I thought it was right to mention
Revelations 14:8(kjv)

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

In this verse it shows that this angel is second in line. It's up to you to decide if its the same second angel mentioned in Revelations 16. In ch 14 if you count the times it says 'another angel', or 'a number of an angel' etc it seems that there is only six the problem arises when you get to verse 9 where it says and the 'third angel' but theres probably a good reason for this.
Here's some questions to ask yourself about 14:8 in your alone time. What great city? How did she make all nations drink of the wrath of her fornication? Btw this fornication is a spiritual one and please do a word study on this word in the languages used at the time, Hebrew,Greek, Aramaic and Arabic. Just so you know this wrath of her fornication is what hell is and if you look at all the atrocities that has happened like the holocaust, the invasions of many lands, the destruction of the Earth the pollution of the water and air etc you will know.
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At this time I thought it was right to mention
Revelations 14:8(kjv)

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

In this verse it shows that this angel is second in line. It's up to you to decide if its the same second angel mentioned in Revelations 16. In ch 14 if you count the times it says 'another angel', or 'a number of an angel' etc it seems that there is only six the problem arises when you get to verse 9 where it says and the 'third angel' but theres probably a good reason for this.
Here's some questions to ask yourself about 14:8 in your alone time. What great city? How did she make all nations drink of the wrath of her fornication? Btw this fornication is a spiritual one and please do a word study on this word in the languages used at the time, Hebrew,Greek, Aramaic and Arabic. Just so you know this wrath of her fornication is what hell is and if you look at all the atrocities that has happened like the holocaust, the invasions of many lands, the destruction of the Earth the pollution of the water and air etc you will know.

False religions is the great city. She rides the back of the beast( untaxed religions)--She teaches lies and false gods--many listen to her. That is how they drink her wine.
The fornication is with the kings( govts) of the earth--voting and killing for them. They all are in opposition to Gods king as Rev 16 brings out--Their end=Daniel 2:44)
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