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Old 01-10-2017, 11:28 AM
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I'm not sure how to clarify any better?? There is no soul, no entity, no non-physical being inside them or directly controlling them. Though the 'soul' leaves when the body dies, the body may live on without a soul.

Typically 'unoccupied' bodies don't stay 'empty' for long as there are a fair number of entities trolling for bodies but are not strong enough to commandeer a body that already has a current resident.

I have Seen empty bodies related to severe energy drains due to entity attachment and also related to incomplete soul exchanges.

I'm sure it can happen after an exorcism if the original 'soul' is already departed (haven't witnessed it personally). Pretty sure this applies to certain types of voodoo style zombies.

This theory is hard to accept. It is like saying that a car can drive itself without a driver.
The body or the physical part is composed of an energy blue print and that is being updated continuously but it is only provided as a vehicle for a "soul". Without a "driver" the body cannot make decisions or think for itself. It is theoretically possible for a body to go into a dormant situation as when we have an anaesthetic. Energy keeps it alive but it cannot function as a human, because the soul function has been made dormant. The soul is the controlling force.
I think what is far more likely is that the "owner" soul has allowed itself to be been pushed into the background and a parasite soul is making the decisions. Schizophrenics tend to fall into that category, Hypnotism falls into a similar category where the "victims" soul to a certain degree has given control of the body over to the hypnotist, but the owner soul is still present as when the hypnotist releases the control.
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Old 02-10-2017, 03:15 AM
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This theory is hard to accept. It is like saying that a car can drive itself without a driver.
The body or the physical part is composed of an energy blue print and that is being updated continuously but it is only provided as a vehicle for a "soul". Without a "driver" the body cannot make decisions or think for itself. It is theoretically possible for a body to go into a dormant situation as when we have an anaesthetic. Energy keeps it alive but it cannot function as a human, because the soul function has been made dormant. The soul is the controlling force.
I think what is far more likely is that the "owner" soul has allowed itself to be been pushed into the background and a parasite soul is making the decisions. Schizophrenics tend to fall into that category, Hypnotism falls into a similar category where the "victims" soul to a certain degree has given control of the body over to the hypnotist, but the owner soul is still present as when the hypnotist releases the control.
Actually some cars CAN now drive themselves...

The body has a brain which in fact is quite capable of handling basic survival of the body in most circumstance. Even bodies with 'souls' rely a great deal on the autonomic nervous system and the subconscious to carry out every day tasks. The directives can come from the 'owner' but basic ones don't have to. Does the soul have to tell the body to try to avoid falling when it slips??

A better analogy is a horse and rider. While its true that a horse with a rider can do more than a horse alone, the horse is quite capable of carrying out basic life functions (eating, sleeping, mating) without the need for the rider.
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Old 02-10-2017, 02:17 PM
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Biological/soul > Complexity > Vechicle 'soul'

The driverles automobile is driven by the algorithm{ mind/concepts }-- written/steered by the human{ mind/concetps } ---in combination with technological sensors ex infrared, camera's etc.

Soul = biological ergo biological/soul ergo genetics of RNA-DNA in combination

Automobiles 'soul' = combination of various sensors needed to gather more complex set of information than a regular vehicle/auto does not have installed.

The true soul of the car goes back to the human/biological/soul who wrote the algorithmic program that manages all the information involved.

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Old 02-10-2017, 07:11 PM
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This theory is hard to accept. It is like saying that a car can drive itself without a driver.
The body or the physical part is composed of an energy blue print and that is being updated continuously but it is only provided as a vehicle for a "soul". Without a "driver" the body cannot make decisions or think for itself. It is theoretically possible for a body to go into a dormant situation as when we have an anaesthetic. Energy keeps it alive but it cannot function as a human, because the soul function has been made dormant. The soul is the controlling force.
I think what is far more likely is that the "owner" soul has allowed itself to be been pushed into the background and a parasite soul is making the decisions. Schizophrenics tend to fall into that category, Hypnotism falls into a similar category where the "victims" soul to a certain degree has given control of the body over to the hypnotist, but the owner soul is still present as when the hypnotist releases the control.

Scomm, hello there.
Absolutely agree either of these could happen and could effectively cause a state of diminished or detached consciousness.

Here's another far more common one...drugs, either legal or illegal. Some box you in or mute you or diminish you, as you have described. But many have the effect of cutting off the consciousness its access to the heart energy, which effectively locks one out of their own being. The experience is very clear, and it's very unsettling.

Another way is subjugation of one's being to traumatising events. Disassociation results, and the effects can be deep and long-term. Again, one could experience one's consciousness being separated from or poorly attached to one's being, from one's heart centre.

Last we have the insidious effects of cultural brainwashing, which is not at all effective for some but which is at least partially effective for many. The idea here is to actively promote participation in activities deemed as "normative" which in turn actively promote disassociation and alienation from one's being...

Desensitisation to violence and rape, promotion of a rape culture and a culture of sexual exploitation and degradation based on porn....all of these are designed to separate men and women from their heart centre. So that they can participate in demeaning and traumatising events without empathy for self or others. So that they can actively take part in their own dehumanisation and that of others.

All of these promote what you are describing. It's not too much of a stretch to see how some are only steps away from being termed functionally soulless, because they actively and repeatedly choose to participate in acts and in mainstream belief systems that promote separation of consciousness from the heart centre.

As WStein said, they can still take part in the eating, sleeping, and mating aspects, and they still have access to language and all the basic mental skills required to perform their jobs. It's just their conscience and their heart centre that have been compromised, in many cases.

Regardless of what folks bring with them (and this can be quite a lot), it seems pretty clear IMO that when society actively promotes disassociation and dehumanisation as "the norm", that it is actively working against the spiritual growth and actualisation of each and every one of us.

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Old 02-10-2017, 07:13 PM
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Actually some cars CAN now drive themselves...

The body has a brain which in fact is quite capable of handling basic survival of the body in most circumstance. Even bodies with 'souls' rely a great deal on the autonomic nervous system and the subconscious to carry out every day tasks. The directives can come from the 'owner' but basic ones don't have to. Does the soul have to tell the body to try to avoid falling when it slips??

A better analogy is a horse and rider. While its true that a horse with a rider can do more than a horse alone, the horse is quite capable of carrying out basic life functions (eating, sleeping, mating) without the need for the rider.

WStein, thanks for your response. It makes sense, and particularly the more you think on it. I put in some of my thoughts on this, above, in response to Scomms.

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Old 02-10-2017, 08:41 PM
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Does the soul have to tell the body to try to avoid falling when it slips??


I'd be inclined to say yes. The soul is in charge of deciding right from wrong so it makes sense to know that falling is wrong otherwise we would all be falling down.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:15 PM
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Maybe we are most affected by the particular things we open up to. And those things we have kind of shut out can't or don't affect us?
It is also possible to be spiritual without calling ourselves "spiritual" or indeed, having any knowledge of those concepts. I'm sure there are people right now as we speak who are living according to their Hearts and doing much good, but who have never HEARD of things like "Kundalini" "Indigo children" "Astral projection" etc etc.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:49 PM
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Maybe we are most affected by the particular things we open up to. And those things we have kind of shut out can't or don't affect us?
It is also possible to be spiritual without calling ourselves "spiritual" or indeed, having any knowledge of those concepts. I'm sure there are people right now as we speak who are living according to their Hearts and doing much good, but who have never HEARD of things like "Kundalini" "Indigo children" "Astral projection" etc etc.
There are more people like this than is realised . There are also many who have had "experiences " but to them it is so strange, foreign and frightening that they shut it out. Because we are so tuned to Universal energy that for some it is inevitable that interference takes place and we pick up co-existing vibrations. Very similar to what we were taught years ago in radio school as adjacent channel interference. All is energy irrespective of how we see it. Energy has vibration and our own "aerials" will tune in anything that closely resonates with our own resonances.
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