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Old 24-08-2017, 10:58 AM
Iamit Iamit is offline
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Okay iamit, this is worth considering.

Realisation that ‘all is One’ is something like the sense ‘ah… I see… this is it… exactly as it is… there’s nothing other than this… nothing needs to change for this to be the case… laughter…’

It doesn’t involve knowledge/understanding in the intellectual sense. You don’t need a phd in metaphysics or any knowledge of religion or anything of the sort for it to occur.

But whether we use the word realisation or resonance, it still involves a shift in perception (of sorts). So the (tautological) point still stands: resonance is not required for Oneness to be the case but it IS required for resonance to be the case.

The definition of realization in this context is understanding/knowing which is why it doesn't work as well as resonance for me. Of course a resonance with All is One is required to end the feeling of disconnection after it has been made clear to the seeker that already his/her feeling of disconnection is not disconnected. In that way it is clear that there is no barrier to connection only to ending the feeling of disconnection. One can then work on gathering in what is not regarded as Oneness manifest into the fold of Oneness manifest until the process is complete and consolidated, particularlarly all aspects of Oneself.
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Old 24-08-2017, 12:45 PM
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Nothing is required in order for your true nature to be the case. It's already the case right now. THIS… is already the case. Oneness is already the case. Reality requires nothing in order for Reality to be.

According to some teachings that's that. They point out 'you are what you seek' ‘Oneness is already the case' therefore any seeking, inquiry, meditation etc. is futile, pointless, worthless.

But this overlooks an essential point - it may be quite true to say that nothing is required in order to BE who you are, but in order to REALISE this, a 'penny dropping' felt-sense-recognition IS required. Without this it's just an intellectual rationalisation (and many teachings are just that.)

Anything that apparently helps facilitate this 'felt-sense recognition' - be it meditation, self-inquiry, existential crisis, solitude, walking across a London park etc. is no bad thing.

But let's be clear, this is not about becoming, it's not about about struggle or straining for perfection, it's not about something that becomes something else - it's about the realisation of something that is always already the case.
... and for that nothing is required. All the trouble comes from unnecessary doing, and more unnecessary doing in the ways listed is not getting us closer.
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Old 24-08-2017, 01:21 PM
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The definition of realization in this context is understanding/knowing which is why it doesn't work as well as resonance for me. Of course a resonance with All is One is required to end the feeling of disconnection after it has been made clear to the seeker that already his/her feeling of disconnection is not disconnected. In that way it is clear that there is no barrier to connection only to ending the feeling of disconnection. One can then work on gathering in what is not regarded as Oneness manifest into the fold of Oneness manifest until the process is complete and consolidated, particularlarly all aspects of Oneself.

Fair response - no disagreement here. Obviously I use the word ‘realisation’ to mean something slightly different but it’s just a semantic/preferential difference.
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Old 24-08-2017, 01:31 PM
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... and for that nothing is required. All the trouble comes from unnecessary doing, and more unnecessary doing in the ways listed is not getting us closer.

Hi markings

Nothing gets us closer to Oneness - it’s always already the case.

As for the realisation/resonance of Oneness, there is no one formula or recommendation - including the nothing to do recommendation.

Tony Parsons talks about walking across a London park. Ramana pondered his own mortality. Nisargadatta says to look to the ‘I am’. Eckhart Tolle had an existential crisis. Some would say that resonance can be found at satsang. Or you might simply be walking your dog across a field when a crow flies up and startles you and…
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