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Old 29-06-2017, 12:00 PM
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Myfitnesspal says that I should start out eating 2700 calories. Do you think this is too much for someone as obese as me? Also can you give me some advice on what to do to lose all this weight naturally?

Stats: 24 years old, female, 5'7", sedentary, 490 pounds, high body fat %,

OK, your stats indicate a pretty serious health situation, so it's probably best to seek properly qualified professional help with proper nutrition and light physical exercise. It can't hurt to make a few inquiries, right?
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Old 30-06-2017, 12:34 AM
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I totally second everyone here who has recommended seeing a professional health specialist about the issue. We can't know your medical history, allergies, etc etc.
It really is worth doing. You obviously care about the quality of your life, or you wouldn't have asked us for some advice.

But that said....sometimes people who are seriously overweight and cannot stop eating, have a problem with recognising when they are full, or don't need any more food. And that can be a physical issue, beyond their control, and not just because they are greedy or something. A sympathetic and intelligent doctor could help with getting to the bottom of that.

Regular exercise is important, no matter what anyone says. We are blueprinted genetically for exercise. Our ancestors walked MILES each day!
BUT....this isn't a given for everyone. You'd need to get fully checked out physically first, and get doctor's advice about how much exercise, especially to start with.

Likewise -diet. You may choose to still eat meat. You may choose to be vegetarian or vegan. That's up to you. But you must eat a balanced diet. Again you will need medical advice, because you don't want to get sick or weary.
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Old 01-07-2017, 10:13 AM
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Regular exercise is important, no matter what anyone says.

Likewise -diet. You may choose to still eat meat.
Exercise for the purpose of losing weight is completely unnecessary when one eats nothing other than vegetables and fruit as the weight falls off naturally. Simplifying things and eating vegetarian will make it much easier to lose weight.

EDIT: Why Exercise Equals Weight Loss is a Myth... even talks about exercise increasing feelings of hunger: https://healthyeater.com/exercise-weight-loss-iifym "Bottom-line: Exercise is not necessary for weight loss but it is beneficial for your overall good health and longevity."

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Old 01-07-2017, 11:57 AM
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What Baile says here about gaining control when switching your lifestyle is so true! I have over eaten to soothe my depression and stress for the last 8 years, I've always been resonably slim growing up but these last years I have been overweight, then classed as obese. I get were your at, a few weeks ago so was I. I wouldn't recommend this without speaking to a doctor, but I started to do a 600 calorie a day meal replacement. To start with it made me literally throw up and I felt so weak, headaches, shaking. The lack of what i usually intake was affecting me. I was worried so I bought some Salmon and Asparagus, the next night I ate scrambled eggs, and after a few days I felt my body was ready to just have the shakes without the food to top it up, as they said I could do this if I felt hungry. Now I have been doing it for over 2 weeks, closer to three, I have gone from 13stone11lbs to 12stone8lbs and still going.

The most important and life changing thing I have realised in the process is just how much I was shoving my face with food, and I wasn't having one chocolate bar or a handful of crisps but the whole bag or pack. My partner works manually all day and his habit of snacking on junk encourages mine, except he stays slim because he works hard physically all day and I sit in an office. I realised how excessive it was and how many calories I was actually consuming. After not eating food for a couple weeks, I feel when I have a cheeky bite of something my partner has, it doesn't even taste nice and not how I used to appreciate it, so I know my tastebuds have reset and that these foods aren't as nice as I had grown to like them.

It's very liberating for me to have cut the cycle of being addicted to eating food, it's liberating to not have to think so much about what to eat etc but in this time I have been working out a 1,400 calorie a day diet as my BMR is 1,500, I plan to have one naughty day a week were I eat what I want within reason so I don't feel so restricted. Ive started by picking foods I will enjoy and be able to eat each day. It's quiet a small selection at the moment but I hope to build up my diet with time and experience. Also I intend to see my doctor to discuss taking supplements so I am not missing any vital nutrition.

It's just about breaking the cycle, however is best for you, but when you really have that aha moment or you begin to see steady results, you feel your worth rise up, and it's hard to go back to how it was. You feel strong saying no, like Baile said again, looking at the coffee and cake bun, it looks so delicious, but I had a bite of my partners doughnut and it was very underwhelming so I get that too. As you make changes your body will appreciate these changes and you will be surprised as to how easy it can be at this point to continue to make healthy choices.

I've always hated exercise too, all through school I managed to get out of p.e lessons but now I have an excercise bike in my living room that, to start with, I burn 100 calories a go watching TV. I do this in the evening though and it will be better to do it in the morning so I will change to this when I can. I feel most of that you want to change and you understand this lifestyle is not healthy for your body and that really is the biggest step, for so long I have ignored all the extra weight on my body but i want to be fit healthy and free from the limitations foods high in carbs and sugar cause. Not to mention the effects on our physiology and mental state etc, I feel so much more clear headed not eating junk. Drinking lots of water also helps fight the hunger.

You can do it! It's about finding what works best for you, speak to your doctor, research diets that suit your preferences, mould them around your lifestyle and likes/dislikes and they will be the easiest for you to stick too. Make those healthy changes, even if it's cutting one thing out at a time, or starting by making healthy breakfast and lunches so you can get into a natural routine.

Eventually I would love to eat plant based foods, as it does say in the bible that God intends for us to only eat food from plants etc rather than butchered meat, and this has helped me to stay strong too, but I must admit, chicken and salmon I love and I find it hard to eat fruit/veg. I always dodged them growing up. Fruit I now enjoy and much prefer to eat a bowl of fresh sweet strawberrys than a bag of minstrels lol and veg, I can eat with meat but I hope I will grow to enjoy vegatables too and be able to have a diet of plants fruit veg nuts etc. In a world of instant gratification I realise that it is true that slow and steady wins the race :)

I wish you all the support and success in the world! You can do it girl!

Feel free to pm me if you wanna ask anything. Good luck!
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:43 PM
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I totally second everyone here who has recommended seeing a professional health specialist about the issue. We can't know your medical history, allergies, etc etc.
It really is worth doing. You obviously care about the quality of your life, or you wouldn't have asked us for some advice.

But that said....sometimes people who are seriously overweight and cannot stop eating, have a problem with recognising when they are full, or don't need any more food. And that can be a physical issue, beyond their control, and not just because they are greedy or something. A sympathetic and intelligent doctor could help with getting to the bottom of that.

Regular exercise is important, no matter what anyone says. We are blueprinted genetically for exercise. Our ancestors walked MILES each day!
BUT....this isn't a given for everyone. You'd need to get fully checked out physically first, and get doctor's advice about how much exercise, especially to start with.

Likewise -diet. You may choose to still eat meat. You may choose to be vegetarian or vegan. That's up to you. But you must eat a balanced diet. Again you will need medical advice, because you don't want to get sick or weary.


Reading that bolded part made me think of something that I learned a few months ago and this is really interesting. We all have taken so many antibiotics throughout our lives that we've totally screwed up our inner micro flora and there are actually bacteria that facilitate the sending of signals to the brain to tell you that you are full!

I was having another issue because of taking an antibiotic for a bad tooth and a few months later, I started having diarrhea that lasted for over a year. No fun at all let me tell you. Went for all kinds of tests, doctors didn't have a clue, but after lots of reading about probiotics, I found out about not only the above note that I mentioned, but also that killing off your gut bacteria with antibiotics can also cause non stop diarrhea for some people.

So I learned to make unpasteurized sauerkraut after reading an article that compared probiotics in pill form, yogurt and unpasteurized sauerkraut and when tested at the end of a week of each of those, the sauerkraut resulted in trillions in healthy bacteria count whereas the other two were only in the billions.
In the olden days, fermenting foods was a popular way for people to store food and daily consumption of various unpasteurized, fermented foods, they actually kept their gut bacteria healthy and maintained massive numbers. At the expense of being indelicate and directing folks to thoughts we'd all rather not think of, sauerkraut does wonders for people who have diarrhea. So maybe Spirit Novice should start including natural unpasteurized sauerkraut in the meal plans.
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:50 PM
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Exercise for the purpose of losing weight is completely unnecessary when one eats nothing other than vegetables and fruit as the weight falls off naturally. Simplifying things and eating vegetarian will make it much easier to lose weight.

EDIT: Why Exercise Equals Weight Loss is a Myth... even talks about exercise increasing feelings of hunger: https://healthyeater.com/exercise-weight-loss-iifym "Bottom-line: Exercise is not necessary for weight loss but it is beneficial for your overall good health and longevity."

Although, muscles burn calories and the more muscle you have, the more you burn. And I'm not talking going to the gym and sweating it out for hours. I'm a big believer in doing only as much as I have to and actually hate exercising. But do just a little bit, like a nice little walk every day....combine that with a plant based diet.....almost guarantees success unless there are some other unmentioned medical issues at work.
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Old 02-07-2017, 03:50 AM
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Exercise for the purpose of losing weight is completely unnecessary when one eats nothing other than vegetables and fruit as the weight falls off naturally. Simplifying things and eating vegetarian will make it much easier to lose weight.

EDIT: Why Exercise Equals Weight Loss is a Myth... even talks about exercise increasing feelings of hunger: https://healthyeater.com/exercise-weight-loss-iifym "Bottom-line: Exercise is not necessary for weight loss but it is beneficial for your overall good health and longevity."

The issue isn't weight loss per se - but fat loss specifically.

The basic principle is metabolism, and what it basically comes down to is individuals with good muscle mass can burn more fat faster.

It is quite difficult to maintain muscle mass while in a calorie deficit, and that's where exercise comes into the picture.

If a calorie deficit is too extreme, the body loses muscle mass, which makes it easier to gain fat in the future, and harder to lose it again.

A body that engages in strenuous exercise burns significantly more calories than an inactive body, so a combination of proper nutrition, light cardio, and resistance training to maintain muscle mass, is the ideal combination for fat loss.
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Old 02-07-2017, 04:59 AM
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... exercise, or more specifically, strength training, can help support a healthy metabolism. After all, pound per pound, muscle burns more calories than fat. However, the difference might not be as big as you think: four calories, to be precise. A pound of fat burns two calories per day, and a pound muscle burns six. To put that into perspective, losing two pounds of fat and replacing it with two pounds of muscle will increase your resting metabolic rate by only eight calories per day.
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:15 AM
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... exercise, or more specifically, strength training, can help support a healthy metabolism. After all, pound per pound, muscle burns more calories than fat. However, the difference might not be as big as you think: four calories, to be precise. A pound of fat burns two calories per day, and a pound muscle burns six. To put that into perspective, losing two pounds of fat and replacing it with two pounds of muscle will increase your resting metabolic rate by only eight calories per day.

Citation?

According to these figures, a pound of muscle burns 3 times, 300%, more calories than a pound of fat.

This also seems to assume the muscle isn't being exercised.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:09 AM
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The issue isn't weight loss per se - but fat loss specifically.

The basic principle is metabolism, and what it basically comes down to is individuals with good muscle mass can burn more fat faster.

It is quite difficult to maintain muscle mass while in a calorie deficit, and that's where exercise comes into the picture.

If a calorie deficit is too extreme, the body loses muscle mass, which makes it easier to gain fat in the future, and harder to lose it again.

A body that engages in strenuous exercise burns significantly more calories than an inactive body, so a combination of proper nutrition, light cardio, and resistance training to maintain muscle mass, is the ideal combination for fat loss.

This suggests that you need "good muscle mass" to lose fat. Though it may help, I doubt that this is *necessary* or that building muscle is the best strategy to deal with obesity (in general I agree with Baile on this matter). I also hope that this thread doesn't turn into a discussion on how much energy is burnt by muscle vs burnt by other bodily functions.
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