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Old 25-06-2017, 07:30 AM
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Penn never says magic is real, and magicians don't claim to be magic. Reasonable people understand it's a trick or an illusion, but are amazed because it defies reason right before their eyes. I guess there's no point me saying so to those who really want it to be supernatural, but Penn says

Pen is talking about performance scene tricks with a lot of equipment, assistants and much preparation. Those are paid shows and tricks are illusions. I'm talking about people who travel the world streets for years and demonstrate their diversified magic powers spontaneously around strangers for free.

Search youtube, for instance, for "Dynamo Magician Impossible: Top 10"

I doubt Pen or any performing magicians could do the same
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Old 25-06-2017, 08:20 AM
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Pen is talking about performance scene tricks with a lot of equipment, assistants and much preparation. Those are paid shows and tricks are illusions. I'm talking about people who travel the world streets for years and demonstrate their diversified magic powers spontaneously around strangers for free.

Search youtube, for instance, for "Dynamo Magician Impossible: Top 10"

I doubt Pen or any performing magicians could do the same

I don't know how they do their tricks, but I do know there's no point saying it's not supernatural to people who really want to believe it is.
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Old 25-06-2017, 09:13 AM
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All these tricks can be explained just as there are many choices to find out how they are done.

Hatha Yoga (not the sort done by Hollywood egos) is the Yoga devoted to
the practice of superhuman powers as a variant separating the real aim of Hatha Yoga into its deviant forms.

In her book 'My Journey to Lhasa' Alexandra David-Neel tells of seeing a Tibetan monk who has developed super powers moving across the desert at tremendous speed only occasionally touching the ground.

Maybe this video is nearer to the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn3h2WRW05c
Thank you for that link I saw years ago...looked for it recently, but couldn't find it.

I have personally experienced this in Java and in Bali, Indonesia.

It's what led me to be on the path that I am now on.

I've seen a man setting fire to a newspaper with bare hands. I have seen a man boil tap water in one hand and freeze it in another.

I have had dukuns and balians touch me and their hands were like hot irons! I couldn't stand the touch for even a second.

Thanks again. *faves it*
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Old 25-06-2017, 09:23 AM
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I don't know how they do their tricks, but I do know there's no point saying it's not supernatural to people who really want to believe it is.

Sorry for getting in between your discussion. Irony is that is that it also works both ways, there's no point saying it's supernatural to people who really want to believe it isn't. I really admire healthy scepticism, in my opinion, everyone should be more level-headed in today's world full of scams. But the thing is, this topic is no matter of such choice. Reality is what is it, not what is in someone's perception. Until then, we can only play with the veils in front of our eyes, through theories, words. If anyone who thinks such things are illusions, ever meets such magicians (energy workers) in real life, spend time together, not just with a trick on a street, they soon won't recognize their old self. Pragmatism seem to be the fastest way to evolution.

Lol, after I posted this, I saw what The Necromancer wrote :)
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Old 25-06-2017, 04:45 PM
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Thanks everybody. If you find any new scientific articles supporting or explaining the above described human powers on a bio-quantum level, please post here
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Old 26-06-2017, 03:15 PM
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Sorry for getting in between your discussion. Irony is that is that it also works both ways, there's no point saying it's supernatural to people who really want to believe it isn't. I really admire healthy scepticism, in my opinion, everyone should be more level-headed in today's world full of scams. But the thing is, this topic is no matter of such choice. Reality is what is it, not what is in someone's perception. Until then, we can only play with the veils in front of our eyes, through theories, words. If anyone who thinks such things are illusions, ever meets such magicians (energy workers) in real life, spend time together, not just with a trick on a street, they soon won't recognize their old self. Pragmatism seem to be the fastest way to evolution.

Lol, after I posted this, I saw what The Necromancer wrote :)

The Op is talking about guys who do magic tricks, such as Dynamo.
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Old 26-06-2017, 03:47 PM
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I do believe we may be having a sixth sense, but keep in mind that usually so-called cases of telekinesis are nothing but hoaxes.
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Old 26-06-2017, 05:17 PM
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Magicians are illusionist - quite often brilliant. They tend to have deep understanding of human nature, and the limits of human vision and how to combine those two to create illusions of great impact. I doubt any of them have 'super powers' but their interest in exploring them may have led them into exploring illusions and becoming magicians.

So called Superpowers do exist though and there are rare human beings who can do some of them, it is well documented. Yes, even telekinesis and teleportation. It is possible to increase the frequency of self and objects and move them via Intention. Like others I have seen and experienced this first hand.
In Asia using Chi is well known and there have always been Chi Masters who could do the extraordinary - that is only one example from one tradition though. There are many traditions each with their own approach and many adherents and seekers but few who actually accomplish it.

Those who do reach these heights of human potential tend to rarely demonstrate and keep the information and skills to themselves. There are very good reasons to do so and many people/governments who would exploit them if they could. The ability and knowledge is best kept quiet.
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Old 27-06-2017, 01:05 AM
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It is possible to increase the frequency of self and objects and move them via Intention.

Can you give us more details and references supporting your above statement, e.g. how and/or why increasing frequency of objects or living beings allows them to move via intention?
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Old 27-06-2017, 01:08 AM
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The Op is talking about guys who do magic tricks, such as Dynamo.

Who is Op?
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