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Old 19-06-2017, 10:26 PM
Oranssi Oranssi is offline
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What are the highest levels of healing?

I have some questions I would like to survey :)

What would be the highest levels of healing methods?
- For physical healing (excluding conventional medicine).
- For mental / psychological healing.
- For spiritual healing.


For me the best healing method comes down to faith and the power comes almost always from the own patient. The curandero, reiki master, etc, is for me a kind of facilitator to open the true potential of the patient.

Although there could be powers that come from the facilitator him / herself, that I don't comprehend.

What is your opinion on this? Best healing method for these different situations?
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Old 20-06-2017, 04:26 PM
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Hello and welcome to the community.

It is not correct that the above three that you listed are three different situations. That is an erroneous human assumption that is made by many.

* All situations can only be healed through the power of allowing love, and this is true whether or not any "outer" forms of healing methods and/or medicines and/or facilitators are used.

* All situations of healing for humans involve all three levels of body, mind and spirit, as all three levels are actually connected and exist within eternal consciousness (with the so-called "mind level" as including emotion, since thought and emotion go together, thus we have the four-fold system known as PEMS: physical, emotional, mental, spiritual).


So, for example:

- There is no physical healing without psychological healing.
- There is no mental healing without healing that also occurs in the body, even if no visible healing in the body is noticed (emotional healing must also take place with mental and physical healing, for these are not really separate).
- There is no spiritual healing that doesn't include healing on corporeal, emotional and mental levels ("psychological" includes both mental and emotional, yet these two are not really "two" but are rather one reality that is often perceived in two different ways, intellectually and emotionally).

Yes, faith is ALWAYS required for there to be any degree of healing; in other words, for there to be any degree of allowing well-being to flourish within oneself.

True, the facilitator of healing ALWAYS acts as a bridge, a channeler and a transmitter of healing energies to some degree. What most so-called "healers," facilitators and counselors are not highly aware of is that the TRUE healer/facilitator/counselor is one's own higher consciousness, that which is the "Higher Self."

Most humans have a strong tendency to take credit for that which happens to others, to some degree, and this is the great error that is made that prevents people from truly understanding what is really occurring in all space-time events.

"Physician, heal thyself" is the universal law, and so a person can only be healed by her own willingness to heal herself, through attuning to the Inner Physician. All healing events involve some degree of aligning to this Inner Force, whether one is aware of this or not on a human level of consciousness.

All healing situations are equally about the "person/patient in question" letting go of resistance/negative attitudes that prevent energies of well-being to flow throughout the "four-fold system" (PEMS).

In truth, Spirit (the "spiritual level") does not need healing, when one is speaking of the Perfect and Absolute Spirit that is our True Nature, which is Infinite, Eternal, Unchanged/Unchangeable and Indestructible. However, within Universal Consciousness there are indeed what may be called "high levels" of spirit/energy that are also evolving/expanding in consciousness, thus these are still being "made more whole" in a sense.

These dimensions may be perceived and attuned-to through using the human imagination, which attunes to higher imagination and perception (the Higher Self), which gives way to clearly seeing/realizing/knowing the Clear Light that is beyond the concept of dimensions.

My friend, in a very practical sense the "best healing method" (for the individual, that is) depends upon one's own belief system, even though all healing itself must come through letting go of resistance to well-being. So, for example, a person who does not strongly believe in metaphysical methods may still receive some degree of increased well-being (AKA healing), through his or her willingness to feel better, and this usually involves a human facilitator of some kind, as well as the taking of medicines and/or some worldly form of therapy.

The BEST ATTITUDE for healing is one of essentially affirming within oneself,

"I AM choosing to honor all my feelings, 'good' and 'bad.' I AM willing to feel better. I AM intending to feel better. I AM now allowing myself to move in the direction of experiencing greater fulfillment, more well-being, more fullness of being."

The above paragraphs are barely scratching the surface, so to speak, of this subject of healing, yet will suffice for now.

In summation of the above, all situations where one seeks healing are those where one must begin with a choice to feel better, and it would greatly help if the seeker of healing learns to be easier on himself, to forgive himself of his own worries and fears, and to acknowledge that there is still vitality within himself, within his cells, for even a very sickly person may still perceive beauty, harmony and love to some degree in his world and even directly in himself.

Blessed Be.
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Old 20-06-2017, 05:08 PM
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For my opinion, highest healing is wisdom. When you know things, master them, you cut the source that is causing illness, have power to do miracles.

But that i say, for personal development. Healing others, who knows. Help them find their truth, but the truth with time and development also changes, so it is related to where you are and is related to the next step you should take.
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Old 20-06-2017, 08:23 PM
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Love is the Basis of All Effective Treatment

When it comes to a seeker wanting healing, it helps if an understanding is reached wherein it is seen that all forms of illness involve a sense of lacking love, whether this illness be seen as mental, emotional or physical, even if one believes his soul to be under psychic attack. It makes no difference to the Higher Self, who in all cases treats all situations with equal care. It is only the outer treatment that may differ from one case of illness to another, not the inner treatment of unconditional love that your Higher Self gives you.

Thus, in summary:

1. A sense of lacking love underlies all ailments.

2. The presence of love underlies all healing, and forms the basis for any effective treatment.

3. There is no higher expression of wisdom than total immersion in Divine Love. In practical terms, to allow oneself to be guided by the highest expressions of love that one knows, in any given moment, is itself an activity of following a path of wisdom.
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Old 20-06-2017, 11:12 PM
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Hello awareness and mihael_11,

You are absolute correct in saying that to have one type of healing, for instance on the physical aspect, all the other aspects are involved. It didn't dawn on me first when I wrote the opening post for this thread. As I was thinking on specific methods and such. But yes, I agree, that on the underlying basis for whatever method, there is unconditional love, that is, absolute surrender.

But now something has just come up to me. We generally consider these divisions, these aspects, as mere illusions but most of the time we treat ourselfs as such instinctively, maybe a costume imposed by modern society. I refer society, because there are alot of illness that maybe didn't existed before just because we weren't aware of them. Maybe they did existed but not knowing about them didn't made us care. It is only by observing details in Nature that eventually we humans find things we don't like as much, so we create blockades. We desire too much instead of letting go. This could be a "negative" side to knowledge.

So wouldn't be the ultimate healing, to just not care about death itself, neither suffering. I mean it is difficult not to react and not to care about suffering, but maybe not caring about caring about the suffering. Trying to understand the letting go...
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Old 21-06-2017, 06:07 AM
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I would say about illnesses, that didn't exist, life spam was much shorter until 19-20 century so they didn't even get that far to know them. Focus of life was on some different level than it is now, actually it was much simpler to live.
No cars, no rules, no electricity, it was more about survival.

When you open new areas, you see much more than you did before, but it it true, that we can't handle all this aspects of life and are still searching for balance.

About not caring, i don't care about death, life, i have my intention set on what would i like to realise, find out and that is what i send my energy into, if you are interested into death and suffering, than send it to that area and focus yourself on this, it is not forbidden. We all have different lifepaths and have all possible interests of what we would like to explore.
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Old 27-06-2017, 01:29 AM
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The essential requirement for healing is knowledge. Faith is fine, but for many it is hard to have absolute faith, because you can't be sure what to have faith in.
With knowledge you don't need faith as such because you know the facts so you just have to become proficient at applying the facts, just as by learning the principles and practicing them you become proficient at maths or even learning a new language.
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Old 27-06-2017, 11:28 AM
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The essential requirement for healing is knowledge. Faith is fine, but for many it is hard to have absolute faith, because you can't be sure what to have faith in.
With knowledge you don't need faith as such because you know the facts so you just have to become proficient at applying the facts, just as by learning the principles and practicing them you become proficient at maths or even learning a new language.

Hello.

Faith is essentially another word for belief. Belief that "I can be healed" is required for the person seeking healing to be healed, and to allow any degree of healing is obviously an act of love. (This is true even for infants that receive healing, who clearly haven't yet consciously formed any strong convictions, because all humans are actually born with a set of programmed beliefs that are encoded in the DNA. The intelligence of the soul is what initially programs DNA. On a soul level, most infants allow healing to occur. The impetus towards well-being that is naturally in the cells is not impeded by negative belief.)

You seekers that place knowledge above love are essentially blind to this (i.e., that healing is an act of love.) Healing requires the right kind of knowledge, not just "knowledge" as you stated. Saying that the essential requirement is knowledge is a statement that lacks specificity. You weren't specific. It was a blanket statement that was given as a type of cure-all, a "this is what will work." Again, healing requires the right kind of knowledge, which would basically be an understanding that says, "I can be healed." The basis for such a positive belief is love.

Very basic research into case studies regarding this subject can show you very clearly that one does not need "facts" as you stated in order to be healed. One needs the BELIEF that one can be healed. One needs some degree of allowing SELF-LOVE in order to be healed. This is true even for comatose people who receive healing, because it is a simple fact that in order to receive anything, one has to be receptive to it, which means that at least the subconscious of the person needs to be in a position to allow the healing. (As long as there is brain activity in the subject, then there is some degree of a conscious will to remain physically alive.)

Many people have received some degree of healing without knowing specific facts about their condition, or how to apply any particular techniques. (Take small children, for example, who have had success with healing.) That, right there, what I just stated is a well-documented fact, and if a person who seeks healing understood just that one fact, he or she could--with faith (yes faith)--effect a self-healing (along with any other treatment that he or she may be getting).

The basis of all healing is LOVE, for there cannot be healing without it. Those who place "knowledge" or "facts" above love are heavily left-brained types that are enslaved to the lower ego to the degree that they deny the power of love. Love is superior to "facts." All life exists because of Divine Love.

Love is the common denominator in all movements towards greater health. In practical human expression, love is an attitude and an act of allowing well-being. This, my friend, is a fact!

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Old 27-06-2017, 07:26 PM
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Hello.

Faith is essentially another word for belief. Belief that "I can be healed" is required for the person seeking healing to be healed, and to allow any degree of healing is obviously an act of love. (This is true even for infants that receive healing, who clearly haven't yet consciously formed any strong convictions, because all humans are actually born with a set of programmed beliefs that are encoded in the DNA. The intelligence of the soul is what initially programs DNA. On a soul level, most infants allow healing to occur. The impetus towards well-being that is naturally in the cells is not impeded by negative belief.)

You seekers that place knowledge above love are essentially blind to this (i.e., that healing is an act of love.) Healing requires the right kind of knowledge, not just "knowledge" as you stated. Saying that the essential requirement is knowledge is a statement that lacks specificity. You weren't specific. It was a blanket statement that was given as a type of cure-all, a "this is what will work." Again, healing requires the right kind of knowledge, which would basically be an understanding that says, "I can be healed." The basis for such a positive belief is love.

Very basic research into case studies regarding this subject can show you very clearly that one does not need "facts" as you stated in order to be healed. One needs the BELIEF that one can be healed. One needs some degree of allowing SELF-LOVE in order to be healed. This is true even for comatose people who receive healing, because it is a simple fact that in order to receive anything, one has to be receptive to it, which means that at least the subconscious of the person needs to be in a position to allow the healing. (As long as there is brain activity in the subject, then there is some degree of a conscious will to remain physically alive.)

Many people have received some degree of healing without knowing specific facts about their condition, or how to apply any particular techniques. (Take small children, for example, who have had success with healing.) That, right there, what I just stated is a well-documented fact, and if a person who seeks healing understood just that one fact, he or she could--with faith (yes faith)--effect a self-healing (along with any other treatment that he or she may be getting).

The basis of all healing is LOVE, for there cannot be healing without it. Those who place "knowledge" or "facts" above love are heavily left-brained types that are enslaved to the lower ego to the degree that they deny the power of love. Love is superior to "facts." All life exists because of Divine Love.

Love is the common denominator in all movements towards greater health. In practical human expression, love is an attitude and an act of allowing well-being. This, my friend, is a fact!
Hey, hang on, I never said that love was not involved. I said that knowledge was involved and that can be applied with love. But, many an infant has died due to ignorance, irrespective of the love that has been directed at them.
You could easily say that life exists irrespective of love, as is seen by all the murders and the man made evils of the world. Life still carries on and the undetected murders still walk the streets
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Old 27-06-2017, 09:56 PM
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I have some questions I would like to survey :)

What would be the highest levels of healing methods?
- For physical healing (excluding conventional medicine).
- For mental / psychological healing.
- For spiritual healing.


For me the best healing method comes down to faith and the power comes almost always from the own patient. The curandero, reiki master, etc, is for me a kind of facilitator to open the true potential of the patient.

Although there could be powers that come from the facilitator him / herself, that I don't comprehend.

What is your opinion on this? Best healing method for these different situations?

First the Healer is the Client, they do the actual healing, if a person is in resistance to healing in someway the energy can be utterly rejected and wasted and no Healing will happen - the Client is always in control to some extent of the outcome. (there are different cases, but it involves an overwrite by powerful means of the persons free will and this is not something many Healers are willing to do as it is a mis-use of power and has it's own ramifications.)
The Healer, no matter the type of modality is just a Gifter of Energy. That energy is then used by the person and their Higher Self to heal with.

Prana Healer, Reiki Healer, Energy Healer, Crystal Arrays, Cranial Sacral, Healing Touch, whatever one calls it is just a tool set - a methodology for centering and silencing the mind to channel energy and where to send it.
So no method is better than another. The best method is the one the client believes in the most and thus will surrender and allow themselves to fully integrate and allow the Energy Gift.

The best method for the Healer is the one they have trained their brain to release and allow, they one they most believe in themselves, they are a channel for the Energies which are pulled from Higher Frequency domains.
(Or in the case of Crystal arrays the Healer does not channel energy through their own bodies, but through the crystals themselves, leaving the Healer as a Maestro leading an Orchestra and leaving out all human residue and energies of the Healer.

All Healers are vessels /channels for the energy, the best Healers are the cleanest channels having come into alignment with self and Spirt and thus passing on no residue of themselves into the other person as they gift the energy for healing. They approach Healing from a state of Love, their Gift is Love. They are able to access through their love and Open heartedness the highest frequency's which can then be stepped down by the clients own Higher Self for specific use in the body/mind or spirt as needed.
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