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Old 18-05-2017, 04:48 PM
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Well certainly if you want to scrap everything, and live more present with what is, then really, it just is what is.

Yes because if that is not done then one is left with the burden of wondering whether one is in The Now or not. Luckily it does not have to be done at all for The Now is the only option available for us to be in.

And thanks be for that. We have enough to concern ourselves with already like where the dog has taking my other sock:)
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Old 18-05-2017, 09:52 PM
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Yes because if that is not done then one is left with the burden of wondering whether one is in The Now or not. Luckily it does not have to be done at all for The Now is the only option available for us to be in.

And thanks be for that. We have enough to concern ourselves with already like where the dog has taking my other sock:)


Indeed. There is only you in all that experiencing yourself with what is telling the story.

As it turns out the dog and sock is mine right now for me in the receiving and reading of your now moment.

Holy sock? Just think of it as your very blessed....
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Old 18-05-2017, 10:39 PM
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Indeed. There is only you in all that experiencing yourself with what is telling the story.

As it turns out the dog and sock is mine right now for me in the receiving and reading of your now moment.

Holy sock? Just think of it as your very blessed....

Blessed indeed.

I cannot utter a single word unless you speak:)
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Old 18-05-2017, 10:41 PM
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Living in the past probably means that the mind is preoccupied with past events, so we talk of time in a psychological sense, but of course existence is present in terms of its conscious presence. If we contextualise that presence with time then we call it 'now'. If we contextualise that presence with being here, then we call it 'present'. Unsurprisingly then, the word 'present' takes on these two meanings - here & now
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Old 19-05-2017, 02:47 AM
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The mind can be disconnected from the body, like being 'lost in negative thoughts' and becoms numb to body sensations. Shamanic cultures referred to this as becoming separated from the soul, which was usually in relation to some traumatic event. This is the basis for what we call psychiatric disorders today. It happens initially because the mind is trying to protect us from harm.

In modern times we use words like disassociation to describe this 'separated soul' phenonmenon. Usually we're not even aware we're doing it, until we start to practice getting back into the body with things like meditation.

Getting into the now is really about becoming aware of the body. Some people call it 'grounding'. This is the foundation of beginning to heal the past. The body stores emotional pain from the past, according to research.
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Old 19-05-2017, 03:22 AM
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The beauty of hereness or The Now as some famously call it, is that it is impossible not to be in the now if the now is the only reality. Thinking or having feelings about the past or future happen in the now. There is nowhere else for those thoughts or feelings to arise. So spiritual paths and/or practises striving to be in the now as opposed to somewhere else:) are misleading. What a relief that is! Imagine having to work out whether you are in the now or not while you are falling over a cliff or enjoying your breakfast:)
Now is NOT the only reality, for most 'now' is the only part of reality they can affect. The point is to stay within the part of reality where you can take action (and affect things). To 'be' in other parts of reality is a waste of resources and a distraction from what you can do.

Best is to work out what is 'now' and live there always. That completely avoids the ineffective situation where you have to work out the now while in a crises situation.

As one learns/grows, their 'now' expands too.
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Old 19-05-2017, 05:51 AM
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Now is NOT the only reality, for most 'now' is the only part of reality they can affect. The point is to stay within the part of reality where you can take action (and affect things). To 'be' in other parts of reality is a waste of resources and a distraction from what you can do.

Best is to work out what is 'now' and live there always. That completely avoids the ineffective situation where you have to work out the now while in a crises situation.

As one learns/grows, their 'now' expands too.

Of course there may be some who do not regard 'now' as the only reality and believe one can somehow be 'in' the past or the future, that the past or the future are somehow happening now! There is a whole spiritual path based on that with a practise that claims to move one 'into' The Now from somewhere that is not the now.

Where is the the past and the future you call the other part of reality that is not the now? All that we can say about that is that we have our memories of the past and our imaginings about the future right here in the now but never actually experience either because by definition they are never happening 'now'.
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Old 19-05-2017, 09:17 AM
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All that we can say about that is that we have our memories of the past and our imaginings about the future right here in the now but never actually experience either because by definition they are never happening 'now'.
As is the case with almost every topic in this intellectually-overburdened Non-Duality forum, you seem intent in your singular interpretation, and show no interest in wanting to open things up to a spiritual dia-logue. Both Seawolf and wstein provided intriguing observations that could do that if one cared to, but alas.

"Shamanic cultures referred to this as becoming separated from the soul" as Seawolf pointed out, before wstein confirmed that "Now is NOT the only reality." Alas.
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Old 19-05-2017, 10:47 AM
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As is the case with almost every topic in this intellectually-overburdened Non-Duality forum, you seem intent in your singular interpretation, and show no interest in wanting to open things up to a spiritual dia-logue. Both Seawolf and wstein provided intriguing observations that could do that if one cared to, but alas.

"Shamanic cultures referred to this as becoming separated from the soul" as Seawolf pointed out, before wstein confirmed that "Now is NOT the only reality." Alas.

Its a familiar ploy. If there is disagreement, give up responding to the issues and attack the person who disagrees with you.

Sad.
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Old 19-05-2017, 11:02 AM
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[quote=wstein]Now is NOT the only reality, for most 'now' is the only part of reality they can affect. The point is to stay within the part of reality where you can take action (and affect things). To 'be' in other parts of reality is a waste of resources and a distraction from what you can do.

Best is to work out what is 'now' and live there always. That completely avoids the ineffective situation where you have to work out the now while in a crises situation.

As one learns/grows, their 'now' expands too.[/QUOTE

Why is Now not the only reality?
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