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Old 17-05-2017, 06:52 PM
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Being in "The Now"

The beauty of hereness or The Now as some famously call it, is that it is impossible not to be in the now if the now is the only reality. Thinking or having feelings about the past or future happen in the now. There is nowhere else for those thoughts or feelings to arise. So spiritual paths and/or practises striving to be in the now as opposed to somewhere else:) are misleading. What a relief that is! Imagine having to work out whether you are in the now or not while you are falling over a cliff or enjoying your breakfast:)
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Old 17-05-2017, 07:14 PM
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So spiritual paths and/or practises striving to be in the now as opposed to somewhere else:) are misleading.
That's an interesting thought but you're misspeaking here I'd say. These paths aren't misleading. Rather and like all things, it is the human being, intellectualizing about these practices rather than simply living them, who misinterprets, misunderstands, and misleads. In the same way people blame the religion, when its the fundamentalist followers and their interpretation of the holy book who are at fault.

And yes, the present moment or now is the physical-material reality human beings experience. (Although we cannot say for certain that's the case with, say, an ascended master, who may in fact have evolved a different, alt-dimensional relationship to past, present and future.) But is it truly impossible to not be in the now? That's a question. A person suffering from the torment of deep regret, is living in the past. Yes, they are physically in the present, that is true. But it is also a reality that their mind, their psyche, and their emotional life, are all chained to the past. For all intents and purposes, that person IS existing in a past reality.
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Old 18-05-2017, 12:12 AM
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That's an interesting thought but you're misspeaking here I'd say. These paths aren't misleading. Rather and like all things, it is the human being, intellectualizing about these practices rather than simply living them, who misinterprets, misunderstands, and misleads. In the same way people blame the religion, when its the fundamentalist followers and their interpretation of the holy book who are at fault.

And yes, the present moment or now is the physical-material reality human beings experience. (Although we cannot say for certain that's the case with, say, an ascended master, who may in fact have evolved a different, alt-dimensional relationship to past, present and future.) But is it truly impossible to not be in the now? That's a question. A person suffering from the torment of deep regret, is living in the past. Yes, they are physically in the present, that is true. But it is also a reality that their mind, their psyche, and their emotional life, are all chained to the past. For all intents and purposes, that person IS existing in a past reality.

ISness (or Beingness) is The Now so to say that someone IS existing in the past is a contradiction in terms.

Its not possible to have it both ways. If it is accepted that there is only The Now then that applies to all manifestations whether it is an evolved master or someone chained in the past. Both occur in The Now.

So there is nowhere else to be and any practise that suggest there is somewhere that is not The Now which needs to be avoided, is advocating an impossible task. It is advantageous if that is the case for one is then liberated from the burden of having to work out whether one is in The Now or not, a most beneficial consequence of the concept.

If you are not saying that there is only The Now then the distortion does not arise.
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Old 18-05-2017, 12:29 AM
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And yes, the present moment or now is the physical-material reality human beings experience. (Although we cannot say for certain that's the case with, say, an ascended master, who may in fact have evolved a different, alt-dimensional relationship to past, present and future.) But is it truly impossible to not be in the now? That's a question. A person suffering from the torment of deep regret, is living in the past. Yes, they are physically in the present, that is true. But it is also a reality that their mind, their psyche, and their emotional life, are all chained to the past. For all intents and purposes, that person IS existing in a past reality.

I am not understanding the logic at the end of your paragraph, where you stated a person suffering from a feeling of torment and deep regret is living in the past.

My own perception is that the experience which may have caused the regret would take place in the past as the past experience, but if within the present one still feels the torment or regret then the emotion and thought itself is taking place in the now or present, or even is still taking place in the now and present.

If one feels regret about the past Now, then the feeling/thought is indeed happening within one's present moment. To change that feeling/thought it would require one to become aware of the feeling/thought of regret in the first instance and actively switch to another perception or thought frequency of a differing emotion or thought- in the present moment to change it.

Time occurs simultaneously. The past becomes our future- at times past experience affects future choices yes? The future is our present, anything that occurs in the "future" will indeed come to a climax of occurring in the now and present. And the present and the now? It would seem indeed a gift. It is where we actively make choices and change how we behave, think, and feel.

The past experiences happened at the present at the time, not in the sense of the past, future experiences will happen within that present and now, and the now? The present moment? Our pasts are culminating and are futures are happening right now. Thought to form- and matter, in a cycle of present experiences. To change one's present might it be safe to assume one must become aware of it?

Those are merely my thoughts on the subject posted here.

They may not resonate with everyone, but in that sense nor should they have to.

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Old 18-05-2017, 12:34 AM
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The beauty of hereness or The Now as some famously call it, is that it is impossible not to be in the now if the now is the only reality. Thinking or having feelings about the past or future happen in the now. There is nowhere else for those thoughts or feelings to arise. So spiritual paths and/or practises striving to be in the now as opposed to somewhere else:) are misleading. What a relief that is! Imagine having to work out whether you are in the now or not while you are falling over a cliff or enjoying your breakfast:)

Yes very true. The present moment is an all inclusive moment of anything or everything as that now exists as.

Human concepts of time often confuse the present moment of now with their need to make it fit or be something, so you find people avoiding or containing the now and causing more confusion to its awareness of what just is right now as it is.

And so naturally you get people like Baile who will open up their own containment of the now, trying to ascertain it is you are misspeaking because their own mind has determined parts of another person contained are living in a past reality. Yet that is all connected to the current now as it is as a complete source moving as that in the now.

Reality is what the now is as a complete source of itself, regardless of time.
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Old 18-05-2017, 02:21 AM
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Yes very true. The present moment is an all inclusive moment of anything or everything as that now exists as.

Human concepts of time often confuse the present moment of now with their need to make it fit or be something, so you find people avoiding or containing the now and causing more confusion to its awareness of what just is right now as it is.

And so naturally you get people like Baile who will open up their own containment of the now, trying to ascertain it is you are misspeaking because their own mind has determined parts of another person contained are living in a past reality. Yet that is all connected to the current now as it is as a complete source moving as that in the now.

Reality is what the now is as a complete source of itself, regardless of time.

as someone said to me recently, it is all a matter of where you put your attention
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Old 18-05-2017, 04:27 AM
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The beauty of hereness or The Now as some famously call it, is that it is impossible not to be in the now if the now is the only reality.
Of course if one believes in 'The Now' as one may believe in 'oneness' then a sentiment of 'reality' as true existence of 'The Now' may arise temporarily.
But that is only a temporary antidot to believing in past and future similar to watching a nice movie. As soon as everyday activities start and you get involved in conventional everyday conversation then past, present and future will arise again and 'The Now' bursts like a bubble and is revealed to be nothing other than a dream image.

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Thinking or having feelings about the past or future happen in the now. There is nowhere else for those thoughts or feelings to arise.
That isn't quite correct since once a thought or feeling has started its starting point is in the past and it continues in the present and if it is not stopped it will continue in the future.
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So spiritual paths and/or practises striving to be in the now as opposed to somewhere else:) are misleading. What a relief that is! Imagine having to work out whether you are in the now or not while you are falling over a cliff or enjoying your breakfast:)
Of course I know that the message you want to convey is that your path of auto-suggestive beliefs is the one and only path.
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Old 18-05-2017, 10:04 AM
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Yes very true. The present moment is an all inclusive moment of anything or everything as that now exists as.

Human concepts of time often confuse the present moment of now with their need to make it fit or be something, so you find people avoiding or containing the now and causing more confusion to its awareness of what just is right now as it is.

And so naturally you get people like Baile who will open up their own containment of the now, trying to ascertain it is you are misspeaking because their own mind has determined parts of another person contained are living in a past reality. Yet that is all connected to the current now as it is as a complete source moving as that in the now.

Reality is what the now is as a complete source of itself, regardless of time.

If The Now is regarded as the only reality then yes.

However there is not just one way that can be seen. It can be regarded as the only reality in an absolute sense (truth) or it can be a fictional reality within a fictional story about something called The Now that arises in the dream of difference. In the latter case it is not a truth but fiction because all that arises, from that non dual perspective, is an illusion of difference where there is no difference at all. As Kierkegaard would say it is not focussing so much on what is resonated with, but how it is resonated with.

This is simply to avoid The Truth Trap referred to in another thread and does not prevent a resonance with The Now because the idea that truth can be known has been transcended so whether it is the truth or not becomes irrelevant.
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Old 18-05-2017, 12:27 PM
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If The Now is regarded as the only reality then yes.

However there is not just one way that can be seen. It can be regarded as the only reality in an absolute sense (truth) or it can be a fictional reality within a fictional story about something called The Now that arises in the dream of difference. In the latter case it is not a truth but fiction because all that arises, from that non dual perspective, is an illusion of difference where there is no difference at all. As Kierkegaard would say it is not focussing so much on what is resonated with, but how it is resonated with.

This is simply to avoid The Truth Trap referred to in another thread and does not prevent a resonance with The Now because the idea that truth can be known has been transcended so whether it is the truth or not becomes irrelevant.


Well certainly if you want to scrap everything, and live more present with what is, then really, it just is what is.
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Old 18-05-2017, 12:40 PM
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I am not understanding the logic at the end of your paragraph, where you stated a person suffering from a feeling of torment and deep regret is living in the past.
Regret is all about looking back into the past. If you're still unclear here, it's no doubt because you're using logic to try and decipher it. You need to engage using intuitive understanding. Or in Hermetic terms, apply wisdom that differentiates between relative truth versus absolute truth.

We live in the NOW. That is undeniable.
And yet someone psychologically locked in the torment of regret, lives in the PAST.
Both of these statements are realities of physical-material life. Both are true.
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