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Old 29-04-2017, 05:04 PM
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I don't get it.

Now I can finally ask my questions I've held for so long.

Within Noah's ark there were three animals that acted out and seemingly betrayed Noah as well as God. The Dog, The Crow (raven), and Man. I find it quite fitting now that man associates with dog so much and keeps crow as their winter friend. I'm still a bit confused and would gladly welcome any replies happily.

Does the crow not seem reasonable in his protest of Noah? Of seven pairs of clean animals taken, only one pair of every 'unclean' animal was taken. I'm still a bit confused on why they're called 'unclean' as they're just doing what an almighty essence designed them to do...yes? So, Noah chooses the Crow to be the first seeker of land after the great flood and the Crow protests saying, "Of the seven pairs of available clean animals you choose me! Obviously your lord wishes my death and you covet my wife." Essentially at least. So then Noah snaps at the Crow and forces him on a potential suicide mission anyway. Where the crow finds a tasty body and decides to have his first good meal in a long while.

Is Crow truly wrong? Was he not outnumbered in a sense of clean vs unclean? And of course later Noah releases a dove anyway that is already loved by this Lord and sends praises and etc. So why not just start with the dove? Why humiliate Crow and force him to bow to something he doesn't believe in?
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:54 AM
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Poor Crows....poor dogs. I had no idea those things happened with Noah vs Crows and dogs.

(But my friendship with Crows and dogs belongs more on the "Animals" section than the "Judaism" section! LOL
Suffice to say they are all Souls, and all God's Creatures.)
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:57 PM
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All good questions. I'll re-read that again later.
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Old 03-05-2017, 03:13 PM
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Now I can finally ask my questions I've held for so long.

Within Noah's ark there were three animals that acted out and seemingly betrayed Noah as well as God. The Dog, The Crow (raven), and Man. I find it quite fitting now that man associates with dog so much and keeps crow as their winter friend. I'm still a bit confused and would gladly welcome any replies happily.

Does the crow not seem reasonable in his protest of Noah? Of seven pairs of clean animals taken, only one pair of every 'unclean' animal was taken. I'm still a bit confused on why they're called 'unclean' as they're just doing what an almighty essence designed them to do...yes? So, Noah chooses the Crow to be the first seeker of land after the great flood and the Crow protests saying, "Of the seven pairs of available clean animals you choose me! Obviously your lord wishes my death and you covet my wife." Essentially at least. So then Noah snaps at the Crow and forces him on a potential suicide mission anyway. Where the crow finds a tasty body and decides to have his first good meal in a long while.

Is Crow truly wrong? Was he not outnumbered in a sense of clean vs unclean? And of course later Noah releases a dove anyway that is already loved by this Lord and sends praises and etc. So why not just start with the dove? Why humiliate Crow and force him to bow to something he doesn't believe in?

You're seem to be taking midrash and accepting it as if it is kitvai ha-kodesh. Why?

As for clean and unclean animals, let's begin with a question - how many stories of Noah and the flood are in Genesis?
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:34 PM
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You're seem to be taking midrash and accepting it as if it is kitvai ha-kodesh. Why?

As for clean and unclean animals, let's begin with a question - how many stories of Noah and the flood are in Genesis?

If I recall correctly quite a few stories. Well... individual stories or the overall story? I mean if we're talking from when Noah first head "build a boat" to the eventual settling then it's a huge story but has multiple inner stories. So how does that define a clean or unclean animal?
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