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Old 01-04-2017, 04:18 PM
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Rare is the Guru

From the KULARNAVA TANTRA



Difficult to obtain is the Guru who pleased,

gifts to you in the fraction of a second, the

wealth of liberation, taking you across the ocean

of Samsara.



Difficult to obtain is the godly Guru who

gives to the disciple his own capacity in a

moment without any ceremony or effort; who

gives instruction in knowledge which instantly

promotes faith, is easy and gives happiness of

the Self.



He is the Guru who goes on giving knowledge

with facility, without strenuous practice

and the like, as one moves from island to island.

Difficult to obtain is the Guru whose mere

instruction gives rise to knowledge, even as food

gives instant contentment to the hungry.

Many are the Gurus like lamps in house and

house; but rare is the Guru who lights up all

like the sun.



Many are the Gurus who are proficient to the

utmost in Vedas, and Sastras; but rare is the

Guru who has attained to the supreme Truth.

Many are the Gurus on earth who give what

is other than the Self; but rare is the Guru in

the worlds who brings to light the Atman.

Many are the Gurus who know petty

mantras, medicaments; but rare is the Guru

who knows the Mantras handed down by the

Nigama, Agama and Sastra.



Many are the Gurus who rob the disciple of

his wealth; but rare is the Guru who removes

the afflictions of the disciple.



Many are they who are given to the discipline

and conduct according to varna (class),

asrama (stage) and kula (family); but he who is

devoid of all volition is the Guru rare to find.

He is the Guru by whose very contact there

flows the supreme Ananda; the intelligent

man shall choose such a one as the Guru and

no other.



By the mere sight of him whose intelligence

is active only till the advent of experience, one

attains liberation, there is no doubt of it.

Rare is the Guru who has eaten up Doubt

which has engulfed the three worlds with all

that is moving and unmoving.



As in the vicinity of fire the butter gets

melted, so in the proximity of the holy Guru all

sin dissolves



As lighted fire burns up all fuel - dry and

moist - so the glance of the Guru burns up in a

moment the sin of the disciple.



As a heap of cotton blown up by a great

storm scatters in all the ten directions, so the

heap of sins is driven away by the compassion

of the Guru.



As darkness is destroyed at the very sight of

the lamps, so is ignorance destroyed at the very

sight of the holy Guru.
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:35 AM
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Thanks for posting from the Kularnava tantra.

The Guru and it's functioning in the universe as Gurutattva.
Is a highly mysterious subject. highly mysterius.
For us being caught in the net of Maya, associating with a person
who is rooted in the tattwas above maya is a great enigma imo.
Not until enlightenment will we understand it. As it is not possible
for the mind caught in maya to understand it.
Therefore hard to write about it. Subtle.....
I have spent almost 30 years to try to get it. Still haven't.

Having been initiated and practiced with a Guru + reading
everything possible about other seekers experiences about it
from various traditions. A highly captivating subject for me...
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:44 AM
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The greatest gift a human being can receive is love and instruction from a guru / Avatar, the greatest gift a student can give is to seek out and listen and follow the guidance given.
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Old 04-04-2017, 02:35 PM
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The greatest gift a human being can receive is love and instruction from a guru / Avatar, the greatest gift a student can give is to seek out and listen and follow the guidance given.


True.


I think the experience of being in the prescence of an enlightened being and watch them in action is the best way to REALLY understand what a true Guru is, in a way that is somewhat more substantial then just reading about them.

I think Ammachi being perhaps the most assessible saint today for such a "study".
(Amma is not my Guru, even if I have met her a few times).


Amma is generally celebrated worldwide for her miraculous love energy expressed 24 hours around the clock, year after year.

Often she is holding huge crowded meetings in big cities where 10000th's of people are hugged by
her, sometimes for as long as 24 hours in a row. Try that anyone !

Most of us would sustain such
feats for 10 minutes holding a constant loving energy field.

Watch some videos from this seeing her having long rows of people coming up to her. It's fascinating.
Often she simultaneusly have Three rows of qeus streaming forth to her. Where she can simultaneously
give mantra intitiations, answer questions and generally holding hugging all these thousands of people.
She have a phenomenal memory and do not forget questions or issues from people, sometimes years ago.
This is reported and is generally moving people to tears when the recognise that she does really remember
issues on personal levels for many people asking questions year later and remembers.



Watch this video and imagine doing this almost everyday. For sometimes whole day and night. With little sleep and in same seat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UqoMUowj7k


Meeting Amma can be a strong experience. I remember last time I saw her.
I was a bit shameful, because it is my firm belief that she knows all about you. Testimonies have showed that it is almost impossible to hide anything for her. Being part of universal consciousness as Vidya.
Then meeting her and recieving the look in her eyes being one of ecstatic unbounded total love, as one was her only child.
Total acceptance. That is life transforming.

It increases the faith in the Guru principle. That it is possible to be enlightened while being in a body.

All Guru's have not the public role Amma have of course. She is there for public display. My own thoughts about it is that as she is considered being an Avatar, she have a role to play in the lords Lila (play) now when Dharma is faultering worldwide.

Recently my wife told me that the princess of Norway had Amma as her Guru, having traveled to her Kerala ashram.
Celebrities like Jim Carrey and Russel Brand is endorsing her.


Well, that was a lot about Amma......
But as said, she can be an interesting study in order to understand more about the Gurutattwa (the cosmic Guruprinciple)


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Old 04-04-2017, 09:24 PM
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I agree bindu, for me I find Mother Meera `s teachings profoundly pragmatic, and I have had her darshan many times, she has definitely turbo charged my spiritual growth. I think its finding someone who `fits` you. You know when you have found your teacher. I`m fortunate as I have an intimate guru as well as Mother meera`s avatorial guidance.
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Old 05-04-2017, 12:20 AM
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I have met Mother Meera once. In germany. I was walking the fields there on the German countryside where she lived. It was a nice experience. 2005 or something.
I Read Andrew Harvey's book and decided to see her.
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Old 05-04-2017, 12:05 PM
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I have met Mother Meera once. In germany. I was walking the fields there on the German countryside where she lived. It was a nice experience. 2005 or something.
I Read Andrew Harvey's book and decided to see her.

Yes its a beautiful location in a charming part of Germany. I have read Andrew Harvey`s longest journey too, a beautiful book. Ive been there several times, she also has been to England a few times as well. I reallyl love her darshan and pranam.
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Old 05-04-2017, 12:54 PM
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Seems like this thread have got a terrible rating.

As have a few threads in the Buddhist section.

Are these theads that bad ?

I thought we were in the more compassionate eastern sections.
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Old 05-04-2017, 06:19 PM
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I think the stars are good ratings :)
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Old 05-04-2017, 09:48 PM
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who cares what anyone else thinks anyway
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